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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14596691 - 06/11/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The 30% tax is bulshit at any level. Everyone should be taxed at about .1%....if you're ultra wealthy .1% is still a huge chunk of change. If you are poor it is barely nothing.

I DO NOT think the poor should be taxed like the rich. I think the rich should be taxed like the poor.

I only make a hair over the official poverty level and I still dont understand the hatred for the rich or why the rich should be taxed an absurdly high percentage.

The government needs to cut both taxing and spending on outdated handout programs. People should be left to their own devices. Poverty is a great motivator for self improvement. I'll give someone the shirt off my back or a meal but Ill never give a bum my money, no matter how poor or rich I am. I was homeless once and I can still say that.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14596736 - 06/11/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
The 30% tax is bulshit at any level. Everyone should be taxed at about .1%.
I DO NOT think the poor should be taxed like the rich. I think the rich should be taxed like the poor.

I only make a hair over the official poverty level and I still dont understand the hatred for the rich or why the rich should be taxed an absurdly high percentage.

The government needs to cut both taxing and spending on outdated handout programs.





How many of these programs were needed before all the jobs got shipped overseas?  If there were no "handouts," we would see a revolt. 

Even if you were paying $1500 a month for all living expenses, if you are over that amount of income, you are still able to live with at least some sort of comfort, knowing that you have a steady paycheck.  The guy who for 25 years saved up for retirement, was laid off, and now has nothing to show for it except for a bank account reaching 0 deserves a fucking handout if you ask me.

Republicans promised jobs in the 2010 elections, but we still have unemployment rates at over 9%.  The private sector is not doing their job, which puts the burden on the "big bad government"

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14596804 - 06/11/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you've saved for 25 years you should have plenty to live on for a long time if laid off. 

I made very little all my life. Saved like hell for about 25 years and retired at 55 with enough to last the rest of my life.:shrug:  But someone making two to four times that can't save enough in 25 years?  Hope his lifestyle was worth it.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
    #14597078 - 06/11/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you've saved for 25 years you should have plenty to live on for a long time if laid off. 

I made very little all my life. Saved like hell for about 25 years and retired at 55 with enough to last the rest of my life.:shrug:  But someone making two to four times that can't save enough in 25 years?  Hope his lifestyle was worth it.




Consider yourself blessed that you had a job that allowed you to save so much money.  Retiring at 55 is almost unheard of unless you were making some serious bank.  I have a VERY hard time believing that you made "very little" yet are able to retire at 55, unless you are into the whole sustainability thing.  Don't be too sure that you won't be back to work in your late 60's or early 70's.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14597166 - 06/11/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I never made over 25 grand and often much less.  I invested my savings well and didn't waste money and never borrowed even when I bought a house.  I did receive 50 grand as an inheritance but that was after I had paid cash for my home. Now I live modestly and  don't plan on living forever. Did you know most people spend most of their life savings in the last several months of their lives due to the fact that they cling to life no matter what the quality.  The Doctors and hospitals get it.  I'll never go back to work.  I'll kill myself first and I don't care if I make it to 70 cause I'm living very well now. In fact I have no intention to making it to 70.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
    #14597304 - 06/11/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have a family?

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14597315 - 06/11/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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MisterMuscaria said:
The 30% tax is bulshit at any level. Everyone should be taxed at about .1%....if you're ultra wealthy .1% is still a huge chunk of change. If you are poor it is barely nothing.

I DO NOT think the poor should be taxed like the rich. I think the rich should be taxed like the poor.

I only make a hair over the official poverty level and I still dont understand the hatred for the rich or why the rich should be taxed an absurdly high percentage.

The government needs to cut both taxing and spending on outdated handout programs. People should be left to their own devices. Poverty is a great motivator for self improvement. I'll give someone the shirt off my back or a meal but Ill never give a bum my money, no matter how poor or rich I am. I was homeless once and I can still say that.




Oh one more thing... So we hypothetically cut all taxes to .1%.  Poof, there goes the roads we drive on every day, poof, there goes elementary education, food quality standards, etc.  Any private companies gonna take up that work? NOPE .. And there goes the reason people are proud to be an American.  Shouldn't take long before we're a 3rd world country.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14597341 - 06/11/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But it's all worth it man, so, like, 100 people can live the American Dream.  :flowstone:


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14597382 - 06/11/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey man, don't exaggerate, there are probably like 100,000 people living the American dream! Don't take away that .03% of America's lifestyle!!!!

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14597517 - 06/11/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you have a family?





No way. I realized my financial situation wouldn't allow for that so I did the logical thing.  I do have two dogs however. :grin:


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    #14597536 - 06/11/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ShroomyJohn said:
Hey man, don't exaggerate, there are probably like 100,000 people living the American dream! Don't take away that .03% of America's lifestyle!!!!





The American dream is bullshit anyways if by that you mean to be rich. Even most of the poor here are rich by most of the human population standards.

Live simple and have a blast, that's my motto and it works.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
    #14597549 - 06/11/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you have a family?





No way. I realized my financial situation wouldn't allow for that so I did the logical thing.  I do have two dogs however. :grin:




Aye man, props to you then.  I was thinking you had a family, which is why I was so flabbergasted at your situation.  Avg $20-25k a year with good investments for a man and two dogs is definitely doable.  Please don't leave your inheritance to them when you go though :shoosh:

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14597556 - 06/11/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm leaving it to several friends and one of them will take my dogs who actually are the most important things in my life.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
    #14597587 - 06/11/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ill smoke one to that... my dog is the shit! theres a reason they're mans best friend.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
    #14597711 - 06/11/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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ShroomyJohn said:
Hey man, don't exaggerate, there are probably like 100,000 people living the American dream! Don't take away that .03% of America's lifestyle!!!!





The American dream is bullshit anyways if by that you mean to be rich. Even most of the poor here are rich by most of the human population standards.

Live simple and have a blast, that's my motto and it works.




I take that as evidence that the american dream is not only alive and well, it is pervasive.  You are living it.  I am too, I make 19k a year and have a great standard of living with luxuries.


edit - on the subject of dogs, here is mine - she is great!



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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14597739 - 06/11/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree.  I almost said that in my post.  I think my average was about 18 grand per year.  I had lots of time off to play and bought toys I would really use a lot.  I may not have had top of the line but not far enough down to really make much of a difference. 

Now not working is the ultimate reward for me.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #14598236 - 06/11/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, you know they said the same thing in Germany before they started exterminating Jews. A necessary evil is a very dangerous thought process that has caused harm to many and good to none.

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14598273 - 06/11/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You nor anyone else has a right to take a single cent from any other human, you are not taking there money but there life. You have no right to make a claim on there life for your own benefit. The "elite" rich are rich and you are not, get over it. You are an elite rich person compared to the right demographic. So should we take 55% of everything you have and give it to a village in Kazakhstan?

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598276 - 06/11/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow, you know they said the same thing in Germany before they started exterminating Jews. A necessary evil is a very dangerous thought process that has caused harm to many and good to none.





godwin...

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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598281 - 06/11/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes they do deserve 430 times more than an average worker, because they are not average. If you do not want to be an average worker then you can change it, get an education or learn a more skilled trade.

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