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was thinking about Hell
    #14595976 - 06/11/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I was thinking about Christianity's idea of Hell, which is basically a place that is very hot and you will be the recipient of overwhelming pain.

But surely we can imagine scenarios much worse than this, right? Is pain the ultimate suffering?

How about a Hell which is basically like an eternity on salvia? Or  an eternity of insanity/fear/schizophrenia?

I am interested to hear your ideas. :satansmoking:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14596347 - 06/11/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Or how about the idea that hell is believing there is a hell. :satansmoking:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14596751 - 06/11/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Or how about the idea that hell is believing there is a hell. :satansmoking:






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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14596773 - 06/11/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hell is other people --Sartre


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14596805 - 06/11/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The whole thing is that hell is eternalk torment, where as here on earth we have moments of pleasure, and couldn't have them without the pain. WHich is why the Greek gods envied men, they got bored with their divine soap opera. So they started messing with men...


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14600684 - 06/12/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Or how about the idea that hell is believing there is a hell. :satansmoking:




Nice point, in my opinion that reality is yours to create as is everything else.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14604231 - 06/13/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think that what was meant by an "eternity in hell" is that your present moment, your eternal moment, will always be a hell and continue turning into a hell in future lives unless you change the way you live your life.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14604328 - 06/13/11 02:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Asante]
    #14605450 - 06/13/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting video Wiccan. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14605766 - 06/13/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, though SouthPark, its a fair representation of the Christian image of Hell.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Asante] * 2
    #14605862 - 06/13/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I like to explore this by going to the roots of words and ideas. For example--ever wondered where the very word 'Hell' comes from? Of course when we go to the origins of myth we dont find male 'God' or 'gods' we find Goddess. And Hell derives from Hel Norse Goddess of the Land of the Dead

it is only the male-dominant belief systems which has made death dreadful, including promoting the fear of everlasting hell. Far more ancinetly, in Goddess mythos, life and death are complimentary -you cannot have one without the other--and nature is sacred. So the Goddess was Wombtomb, meaning we are born from mothers womb and return to the Womb when dead which is a place that reality re-forms, and this is a dynamic eternal mystery.

But what the male sadistic belief dominators want is for you to fear life AND death. if they can have you fearing your very being, they then can manipulate you to cling to their authority. Ie., the Church would claim that if you believed in their dogma and gave them you money, and often your very sexuality--as in abstincance--thet you will go to 'heaven' and not 'hell'.

Now I am not saying that horrible experiences dont exist. You know they exist on earth--nazi campls, gang warefare, 9/11 false flags, wars, poverty etc etc, and you must know if you have ever had a bummer that you can experience inner hells. And some people who have had 'hellish NDEs' report the same---that they found themselves in a hellish place. So I am not claiming that there is no hellish experience, or no heavenly experience--but that it is NOT everlasting. That reality is dynamic, and hell implies heaven and vice versa. We need a dynamic othersise we get static which is not real. You cannot have JUST one thing. You cant have JUSt light or JUST dark or JUST front or JUST back--back and front imply each other. Understand?


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: zzripz]
    #14606050 - 06/13/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nice read zz, thanks for sharing!

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14609192 - 06/13/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I was thinking about Christianity's idea of Hell, which is basically a place that is very hot and you will be the recipient of overwhelming pain.

But surely we can imagine scenarios much worse than this, right? Is pain the ultimate suffering?

How about a Hell which is basically like an eternity on salvia? Or  an eternity of insanity/fear/schizophrenia?

I am interested to hear your ideas. :satansmoking:




Scene 6, Dr. Faust by Christopher Marlowe

FAUSTUS.
How many heavens or spheres are there?

MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Nine; the seven planets, the firmament, and the empyreal
heaven.

FAUSTUS.
Well, resolve me in this question; why have we not
conjunctions, oppositions, aspects, eclipses, all at one time,
but in some years we have more, in some less?

MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Per inoequalem motum respectu totius.

FAUSTUS.
Well, I am answered. Tell me who made the world?

MEPHISTOPHILIS.
I will not.

FAUSTUS.
Sweet Mephistophilis, tell me.

MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Move me not, for I will not tell thee.

FAUSTUS.
Villain, have I not bound thee to tell me any thing?

MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Ay, that is not against our kingdom; but this is. Think
thou on hell, Faustus, for thou art damned.        :devil:

FAUSTUS.
Think, Faustus, upon God that made the world.

MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Remember this.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14610211 - 06/14/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14611314 - 06/14/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.




Mind explaining?

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust] * 1
    #14611367 - 06/14/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.





You have no idea. If you went to heaven you'd have to spend time with my dad.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14611452 - 06/14/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

there are different levels of hell and planes of torment. some beings actually prefer hell and darkness, because they are darkness.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14611809 - 06/14/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
You have no idea. If you went to heaven you'd have to spend time with my dad.



:laugh2:


Quote:

klopi123 said:
there are different levels of hell and planes of torment. some beings actually prefer hell and darkness, because they are darkness.



You sounds pretty certain of this, how do you know? Visited?

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14611829 - 06/14/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ive meet them.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14611835 - 06/14/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Met who?

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14611943 - 06/14/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ive meet beings good and bad since i can remember. Ive had countless experiences.

Demons are real. Hell is real.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14612076 - 06/14/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What would you consider hell? Do you think hell is an effect of its inhabitants rather than something imposed on "sinners"?


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14612170 - 06/14/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It a void, a dark and lonely place. Its confusion, pain and fear.

Heaven reversed.

Demons and angels inhabit this plane you can believe me or not its your reality make it as you wish.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14612309 - 06/14/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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there are different levels of hell and planes of torment. some beings actually prefer hell and darkness, because they are darkness.





There are?:whoa: They do?:whoa: They are?:whoa: Sez who?:satansmoking:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14612379 - 06/14/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have seen everything even someone became fully possessed. She had lost full control of her being. All she could do was vomit and defecate on herself while spewing out obscenities. Even to stick her hands into her anus and fling feces.

Its your choice believe or dont. All i can do is speak from my own experience.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123] * 1
    #14612406 - 06/14/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My girlfriend does that all the time and we call it foreplay.:lol:

BTW not that uncommon in the mentally ill.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14612424 - 06/14/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

your choice.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14612437 - 06/14/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

thanks:satansmoking:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14612518 - 06/14/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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My girlfriend does that all the time and we call it foreplay.:lol:

BTW not that uncommon in the mentally ill.



:laugh2: that's too funny ice, way to funny!

Thanks for sharing your experiences klopi, much appreciated brother.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14612537 - 06/14/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:shockedramthing:  No worries mate.


Btw, why does everyone think I'm a guy? :jennajameson:


Edited by klopi123 (06/14/11 02:33 PM)


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14612552 - 06/14/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cause the demons told us you were a guy in drag.:shrug:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14612570 - 06/14/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:shoosh:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14612593 - 06/14/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

photos would be proof.  PM me.:satansmoking:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14612663 - 06/14/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No thanks I prefer my anonymity but feel free to show me yours. :studmuffin:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14612831 - 06/14/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hell is just one of the dark crayons in the box. We know it's there thanks to transparency into the human psyche through the blueprints of art, dreams, literature, and other forms of mental fantasy.

It's not a "place" anymore than happiness is a place.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14613164 - 06/14/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No thanks I prefer my anonymity but feel free to show me yours. :studmuffin:





Didn't think I'd do it did ya? :lol:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14613219 - 06/14/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Your dogs look very sweet and I can tell your a good daddy.  :smile:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14613300 - 06/14/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Mind explaining?

Lah'Kesh




Seriously?

An omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent being of infinite intelligence with anthropomorphic characteristics, morals and values. He is essentially the Cristal clear representation of the human ego. Yet he demands to be worship ped for all eternity in a tyranny of obligatory euphoria while billions rive in agony in the pits of hell for  so called crimes that only a sadist would consider worthy of eternal punishment.

Either I retain my humanity and see the horror of such a situation, or god changes me so that I no longer care... Either way I'd rather burn in hell with the innocent.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613880 - 06/14/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting thoughts Ziggy i'll have to think about that. Thanks for sharing brother!

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613924 - 06/14/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Mind explaining?

Lah'Kesh




Seriously?

An omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent being of infinite intelligence with anthropomorphic characteristics, morals and values. He is essentially the Cristal clear representation of the human ego. Yet he demands to be worship ped for all eternity in a tyranny of obligatory euphoria while billions rive in agony in the pits of hell for  so called crimes that only a sadist would consider worthy of eternal punishment.

Either I retain my humanity and see the horror of such a situation, or god changes me so that I no longer care... Either way I'd rather burn in hell with the innocent.




God doesn't need anything. He is all. He is everything. He does not want your worship. He only wishes to give of himself. To give love. If you can not learn things with love then you will learn them with pain and suffering. If you are not made of the light then you are made of the darkness the darkness does not wish to be in the light anymore then the light wishes to be in the dark.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14613955 - 06/14/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I love the fact that so many people here know who god is and what he feels and wants. :lol:

(I admit it's a little odd that some of them don't agree with each other:tongue:)


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
    #14613963 - 06/14/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Mind explaining?

Lah'Kesh




Seriously?

An omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent being of infinite intelligence with anthropomorphic characteristics, morals and values. He is essentially the Cristal clear representation of the human ego. Yet he demands to be worship ped for all eternity in a tyranny of obligatory euphoria while billions rive in agony in the pits of hell for  so called crimes that only a sadist would consider worthy of eternal punishment.

Either I retain my humanity and see the horror of such a situation, or god changes me so that I no longer care... Either way I'd rather burn in hell with the innocent.





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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14613990 - 06/14/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I love the fact that so many people here know who god is and what he feels and wants. :lol:

(I admit it's a little odd that some of them don't agree with each other:tongue:)




It seems like the experiences keep rolling in, each person has there own interpretation; seems to be an infinite amount of Gods out there eh. Can't hate thought everyone is title to their own thought, feelings and emotions.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14614029 - 06/14/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have no problem with that until they say it like it's a known fact.  That's pure bs imo. 

No god needed in my reality. If one exists it's an unknown. Most likely not a "he".:lol:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14614076 - 06/14/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I have no problem with that until they say it like it's a known fact.  That's pure bs imo.




I would have to agree. I do not believe anyone on this forum has the authority to speak of eternal truths or constants as far as spirituality and mysticism goes. We all have our own opinions and it is ok to express them, speaking for all however is ignorant.

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No god needed in my reality. If one exists it's an unknown. Most likely not a "he".:lol:




I would have to agree, most likely not a "he" :cool:

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga] * 1
    #14616725 - 06/15/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I am interested to hear your ideas. :satansmoking:




The projection of reality can be controlled by the astral beings.  There is a realm of imagery of the imagination that can interact with the physical world and appear superimposed over external reality.  An intense amount of psychic disharmony can be created and directed.  In my opinion one can be 'held' there.  Much like the perpetual schizophrenia idea mentioned.  ...whether dead or alive.  Word is: the astral beings that have the opportunity to 'harvest' desirable energy and personality traits also have the power to arrange synchronicity, choice, and afterlife particulars.

Also...  When awakening, one can get caught 'in front of the community' and with the system as is, one is seen in the imagination of others.  The judgmental nature of 'them' can create a continual projection of who you are that competes with your sincere portrayal from within.  This can gain some control over your emotions and mental responses then force its understanding of who 'it/they' think you are at you and on to you turning your body into a device to imprison the spirit.  It is felt as layers of consciousness that have the effect of wrapping you in limitation.  This is hellish.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14616842 - 06/15/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Very interesting fishoilthekid do you mind telling us where you acquired this information? For further reading perhaps?


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14617233 - 06/15/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Very interesting fishoilthekid do you mind telling us where you acquired this information? For further reading perhaps?




I agree, would love to read a little myself; thanks for sharing!

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14618870 - 06/15/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

^These are things that I am experiencing now and have been part of what I have found myself a part of.  I don't know where one might read more.  If you all know anything more I would appreciate hearing it.  Especially you Klopi claiming to know that hell is real and what not...


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14618903 - 06/15/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So...  I guess you don't want to know.  You shouldn't know.  The way it works from what they say is: you will start experiencing it.  And, to them and others, I see, you will surely not want to.

This just in::sherlock:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14619238 - 06/15/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How can we transcend them?  Surely they are not the most powerful things 'out there'.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14619361 - 06/15/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well for starters if you got the boogies you need to stop creating fear, they live off your energy.  Stop hanging around people that are energetically draining or negative. Spend time outdoors, pray, eat well, stay off hard drugs and no random sex parters.

Love yourself and practice forgiveness, do good - they feed off negativity.

Get out of your house whenever possible, exercise and just try to surround yourself with good, positive people.

If you feel like there is a build up of energy that seems to be stuck try positive visualizations releasing attachments, energy. Visualize it leaving you. Remember we are connected. How is your energy flowing do you feel like energy is flowing to you or from you? If its flowing to you then, stop. Your energy needs to flow out. Make sure when you practice this do this with the attitude of forgiveness and love or whatever "positive" energy you can send out. Love of course is the best!


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Lion]
    #14619381 - 06/15/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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How can we transcend them?  Surely they are not the most powerful things 'out there'.





Of course they aren't. IMO they're imaginary.  Relax and have some fun or life will pass you by.  There's no return, use it or lose it.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14619684 - 06/15/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Great advice, klopi :awesome:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14619731 - 06/15/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No random sex partners is good advice?  What does that have to do with anything?:pope:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14619782 - 06/15/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I was more referring to this:

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Get out of your house whenever possible, exercise and just try to surround yourself with good, positive people.




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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14619830 - 06/15/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is my advice whether you choose to go with it is your decision.

icelander it appears to me that you never have anything to add maybe you would be better off in the romper room.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: zzripz]
    #14619885 - 06/15/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I like to explore this by going to the roots of words and ideas. For example--ever wondered where the very word 'Hell' comes from? Of course when we go to the origins of myth we dont find male 'God' or 'gods' we find Goddess. And Hell derives from Hel Norse Goddess of the Land of the Dead

it is only the male-dominant belief systems which has made death dreadful, including promoting the fear of everlasting hell. Far more ancinetly, in Goddess mythos, life and death are complimentary -you cannot have one without the other--and nature is sacred. So the Goddess was Wombtomb, meaning we are born from mothers womb and return to the Womb when dead which is a place that reality re-forms, and this is a dynamic eternal mystery.

But what the male sadistic belief dominators want is for you to fear life AND death. if they can have you fearing your very being, they then can manipulate you to cling to their authority. Ie., the Church would claim that if you believed in their dogma and gave them you money, and often your very sexuality--as in abstincance--thet you will go to 'heaven' and not 'hell'.

Now I am not saying that horrible experiences dont exist. You know they exist on earth--nazi campls, gang warefare, 9/11 false flags, wars, poverty etc etc, and you must know if you have ever had a bummer that you can experience inner hells. And some people who have had 'hellish NDEs' report the same---that they found themselves in a hellish place. So I am not claiming that there is no hellish experience, or no heavenly experience--but that it is NOT everlasting. That reality is dynamic, and hell implies heaven and vice versa. We need a dynamic othersise we get static which is not real. You cannot have JUST one thing. You cant have JUSt light or JUST dark or JUST front or JUST back--back and front imply each other. Understand?




Yeah, fuck men. :smirk:


Hilarious thread btw.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: BothHands]
    #14620014 - 06/15/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I used to think it was Ok to have random sex partners, but nowadays I think love is superior to lust.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14621047 - 06/16/11 05:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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This is my advice whether you choose to go with it is your decision.

icelander it appears to me that you never have anything to add maybe you would be better off in the romper room.





I added a comment and question. Maybe it would be better if you didn't need to have all your posts validated so you could feel secure.

Giving advice is risky business especially when it's laid down without stating it's just an opinion and the poster might be assumed to have expertize in that particular area.  (this is why I often add "imo" to my advice )  Advice can be wrong and even do damage and imo it's valid to question it for clarification or evidence of validity.  If my disbelief offends you then convince me. :shrug:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: FishOilTheKid] * 1
    #14621369 - 06/16/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The projection of reality can be controlled by the astral beings.  There is a realm of imagery of the imagination that can interact with the physical world and appear superimposed over external reality.  An intense amount of psychic disharmony can be created and directed.  In my opinion one can be 'held' there.  Much like the perpetual schizophrenia idea mentioned.  ...whether dead or alive.  Word is: the astral beings that have the opportunity to 'harvest' desirable energy and personality traits also have the power to arrange synchronicity, choice, and afterlife particulars.

Also...  When awakening, one can get caught 'in front of the community' and with the system as is, one is seen in the imagination of others.  The judgmental nature of 'them' can create a continual projection of who you are that competes with your sincere portrayal from within.  This can gain some control over your emotions and mental responses then force its understanding of who 'it/they' think you are at you and on to you turning your body into a device to imprison the spirit.  It is felt as layers of consciousness that have the effect of wrapping you in limitation.  This is hellish.




:mafioso: Speculative!

Life after death may exist in one form or another but we have no means of coming to any rational conclusion concerning its nature, let alone the specific details of it.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14621875 - 06/16/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving advice is risky business especially when it's laid down without stating it's just an opinion and the poster might be assumed to have expertize in that particular area.  (this is why I often add "imo" to my advice )  Advice can be wrong and even do damage and imo it's valid to question it for clarification or evidence of validity.  If my disbelief offends you then convince me. :shrug:




Good way to put that ice. Not saying your wrong in your statement klopi but he does have a point: it's better to state things as your own opinion instead of making a general statement, that way it does seem to cone off factual but merely opinion based.

Either way ice is a hard one to crack, in my opinion it seems as if he has a lot of years (age) on many of the members here which in turn provides a lot more life experience, or maybe he's just a grumpy old man :smirk:. I would beg to differ that on him not having much to add, while sarcastic sometimes I would say that many of the posts I have read have been  short but meaningful, well at least for me.

Oh well here I am again being a damn mediator; I enjoy everyone's opinions just always need to remember that for the most part  they are merely opinions.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14621965 - 06/16/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

which in turn provides a lot more life experience, or maybe he's just a grumpy old man

Both of course.:lol:

  I've experienced first hand what offhand comments about sexual conduct can do to those raised in families where there is a lot of guilt and shame being handed out around sex and sexual activity. I have friends who agree so I know it's not just myself that had to deal with this.  There is nothing wrong with casual sex, at least in most instances. If you like and are attracted to someone then why not enjoy it to the fullest. As long as honesty is maintained there is rarely a problem.  I had no idea why that was included in that posters recommendations and without some explanation someone could easily assume that casual sex itself was somehow wrong.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14622252 - 06/16/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I would have to agree that casual sex is not a big deal although some may not think so due to various reasons; personally I do not partake in the fun due to the fact that I am in a committed relationship. I believe you make a great point by saying that honesty needs to be kept, I would say respect is also very key in that kind of situation.

In my opinion, humans are emotional beings, we are feeling based. Sexual experiences are just another way to express those feelings and emotions, regardless if it is casual sex or committed.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
    #14622292 - 06/16/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The problem is most the vast majority of human's don't have the emotional maturity to handle it and deal too much with attachment, which leads to pain amongst other things.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14622353 - 06/16/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Great point c0sm0 I definitely agree with that as well.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14622566 - 06/16/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
^These are things that I am experiencing now and have been part of what I have found myself a part of.  I don't know where one might read more.  If you all know anything more I would appreciate hearing it.  Especially you Klopi claiming to know that hell is real and what not...





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klopi123 said:
Well for starters if you got the boogies you need to stop creating fear, they live off your energy.  Stop hanging around people that are energetically draining or negative. Spend time outdoors, pray, eat well, stay off hard drugs and no random sex parters.

Love yourself and practice forgiveness, do good - they feed off negativity.

Get out of your house whenever possible, exercise and just try to surround yourself with good, positive people.

If you feel like there is a build up of energy that seems to be stuck try positive visualizations releasing attachments, energy. Visualize it leaving you. Remember we are connected. How is your energy flowing do you feel like energy is flowing to you or from you? If its flowing to you then, stop. Your energy needs to flow out. Make sure when you practice this do this with the attitude of forgiveness and love or whatever "positive" energy you can send out. Love of course is the best!




This information was for FishOilTheKid and his situation. If you want to screw everything that walks be my guest.

Take what you want and leave the rest.


From what I have seen most of Icelander posts seem to have little to any substance and at times confrontational without an explanation. If you disagree with something why not explain yourself? The whole I'm right your wrong, back and forth is so fucking kindergarten.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123] * 2
    #14622581 - 06/16/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This thread's total posts/new posts count came up in My Threads as 66(6).  Spooky!


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Lion]
    #14622670 - 06/16/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's a sign you need to take it easy with the orgies.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14623497 - 06/16/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

" If you disagree with something why not explain yourself? The whole I'm right your wrong, back and forth is so fucking kindergarten."
You're right. There's the debate forum for that. :thumbup:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14623547 - 06/16/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem is most the vast majority of human's don't have the emotional maturity to handle it and deal too much with attachment, which leads to pain amongst other things.





Pain is one way we learn. Avoiding pain is not always the best path.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14623571 - 06/16/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This information was for FishOilTheKid and his situation. If you want to screw everything that walks be my guest.

This is an open forum and other people read this advice. We all discuss the posts here.

Casual sex does not have to mean "screwing everything that walks".

And if one is giving advice and explanation of why that advice was in order would be a good idea I would think.:shrug:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14623701 - 06/16/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
The problem is most the vast majority of human's don't have the emotional maturity to handle it and deal too much with attachment, which leads to pain amongst other things.





Pain is one way we learn. Avoiding pain is not always the best path.




Touché, good point ice I would have to agree with that too. In my opinion however the pain could turn into something else which could ultimately overshadow the learning experience involve in the event. Something such as obsession or anger; from my experiene the emotionally immature do not like to take responsibilities for there actions.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
    #14624520 - 06/16/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

and at times confrontational without an explanation.

Yes I'm guilty of this myself.  It's good for me to have this pointed out.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14624651 - 06/16/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Icelander, I felt you had been attacking my posts in a passive aggressive manner. My apologies.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123] * 1
    #14624778 - 06/16/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's my style of posting and everyone gets it.  I've been trying to change that but it's a long slow process unfortunately.  Lots of anger from a really religious and repressive childhood.  Not an excuse but a reason.

It was good you called me on my bs and I actually do listen occasionally.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14625393 - 06/16/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.





You have no idea. If you went to heaven you'd have to spend time with my dad.




Did he die recently?


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14625898 - 06/16/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No worries. Much love.  :happyheart:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14626991 - 06/17/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.





You have no idea. If you went to heaven you'd have to spend time with my dad.




Did he die recently?





No but I'm still praying about it. I stand to inherit a large sum of fun.:satansmoking:


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14627194 - 06/17/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Did he die recently?




No but I'm still praying about it. I stand to inherit a large sum of fun.:satansmoking:




You're praying for your father to die?


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Asante]
    #14627239 - 06/17/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If I prayed :lol:

I want the money.  It's doing that miser prick not a wit of good. Better that I and my sisters get it before we're too old to enjoy it. That old fucker is 92.  Which proves the old saying.


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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
    #14627817 - 06/17/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If I prayed :lol:

I want the money.  It's doing that miser prick not a wit of good. Better that I and my sisters get it before we're too old to enjoy it. That old fucker is 92.  Which proves the old saying.




Ruthless, but I can see where your coming from; esp. If your relationship with him was shitty.

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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Lion]
    #14644774 - 06/20/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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How can we transcend them?  Surely they are not the most powerful things 'out there'.




Man...  If you have any ideas on how to transcend the control that these beings are trying to impose I would love to hear it.

They are points of light.  Like an orb.  They land on your head and can directly control your awareness and force into your reality their intent.

They seem to be all about humiliation and obedience.  Fucking HELL!!


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