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Psychopathic666
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Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus
#14594875 - 06/11/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have decided to start searching for another active species, since I can't find Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata or Big Laughing Gyms anywhere. Panaeolus Cinctulus seems to be my best bet, since people say they grow absolutely everywhere. However, I cannot find them. I search in mulch beds, fertilized lawns, manure, etc. and can't find shit. Is it the wrong time of year?
I also have some questions about them that the other shroomery pages couldn't answer. 1.) How often do they bruise blue at the base? Is it noticable? How long until it starts to show? 2.) Judging by photos of P. Foenicessi and P. Subs, I cannot find a difference. How do you tell them apart?
Also - Who here has tripped on these little guys? Where did you find them? Any tips?
Thanks. You guys are the best.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Psychopathic666]
#14594889 - 06/11/11 08:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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the best way I tell them apart is the spore print. In the feild, foes NEVER have any red coloration in the stems and cinctulus often do
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Psychopathic666]
#14594911 - 06/11/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello, while I hear whispers about liberty caps in parts of my state, I've only come across Subbalteatus. I don't find them too often, or too many of them, and I would say that I live in a pretty ideal place for looking as far as my region goes. Some people seem to find many of them, but this seems to be in areas where there are more actives anyway, go figure 
I've tripped on them once, I had to supplement what I'd found with some I grew in a small bed outdoors.
1- In my experience, they never blue, or at least not enough for me to notice. I've only seen this in pictures 2- I sporeprint every single one, maybe someday I'll be able to tell the difference at a glance, but not yet. Sometimes the colors seem a bit richer to me on the Subbalteatus cap when they are fresh, if that makes sense, but after they have been in the sun it can be hard to tell. I've also heard something about the stem, I think it is supposed to be reddish on subs, and have slightly twisting ridges, but I could have made this up or be confused 
I find them in grassy areas where horses have been and sometimes on horse manure piles, but they seem to be pretty picky about the conditions in which they will show.
Hopefully I will have some pics for you soon! Good luck!
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Locky
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#14595090 - 06/11/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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subbs will have realy twisted stripes on their stems. Foes will not. subbs have grey gills with sometimes white/grey/black spots on them. Foes have brown gills.
as the others have said, prints until you are better at identifying.
I allways find them on lawns. The ones you find on lawns are realy thin and small. Where as the ones you find on hay and mulch, have thick stems and caps.
Hope i help
here are some pics of the common lawn subbs.

these guys had blue bruising at there bases, but you cant see in pics. As they start to dry the brown caps ussaly turn white, and fade colour.

Notice how the stems twist and turn, this is a way of id'ing them in the feild
Edited by Locky (06/11/11 09:36 AM)
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wire5
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Locky]
#14595224 - 06/11/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'll be honest I haven't read the entire thread. I'm way far gone. I turned my shower into a sauna and . Anyway...
Your best bet, As well as your best finds, will be in horse paddocks and fields. Horses are super clean and almost NEVER eat where they poo (if they can help it), therefore just look for the taller grass in horse fields you should see tons of little brown caps all over. Some foe, some cint, some other stuff. Cints usually linger near the edges of these piles though not always. Furthermore, if most people who own horses are anything like a majority of the people I know who own horses (myself and mother included) there will be a large poo pile usually 20-100 feet away from the barn where the farmer will dump there poo from all the stalls. Check around the base of that pile. Finally check along the fence lines of any paddoc for stray piles with grass around them. I usually only get one or two like this (per acre [ps the word acre always fucks me up, I just spent 3 minutes trying to figure out how to spell it right....]).
My only other piece of advice is to do a cross refrence using google for horse communities and stables in your area. Just go knock on the door and tell them you are a mushroom hunter looking for inky caps + anything else you think is interesting. Most the time people are cool (though I don't even have to ask because I know SOOOOO many people with horses that if they saw me polking around they would know I wasn't going to harm anything) and will allow you to check, hell if they are like my mum they would probably offer to help and show you where the horses like to poo. Just don't act fishy, horse people (while usually bat shit crazy) are very mellow people, you have to be to own horses or you'd get your ass handed to you by a 1000+ lb animal.
Any way good luck, and remember even if you don't find anything it's supposed to be fun. Think of it as wheres waldo for adults...
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Locky
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: wire5]
#14595241 - 06/11/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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good advice
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Psychopathic666]
#14595276 - 06/11/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pan cincts as a general rule fruit june-july in the northeast us. looking for and finding anything is really a matter of timing and persistence. a spot that fruits one year might not do the same the following year, it also might.
spore printing for the layman, or microscopy for the gentleman, are the only ways to definitively tell whether it is friend or foe, although people that have picked before will probably make a determination based on experience and intuition, and bruising, which does not occur by default or regularly, but is a slam dunk when it does occur. here are some pics from horse manure finds for your reference, i feel like a big dork because these pics are a few years old, but if it helps. good luck!
    
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Locky
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: masspan]
#14595302 - 06/11/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont worry, my pics are anceint
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wire5
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Locky]
#14595327 - 06/11/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is that all mulch in a lumber yard masspan? Because those are some killer Pan Subbs man... Even by my h-poo standards. But hell if I can nab finds like that in mulch piles than fuck it I've got about a dozen places I aughta check... Every time I've found subs around mulch have been wimpy and usually solitary fruits. But damn if that is mulch in your pictures I'm going to start looking again.
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Locky said: good advice
Thank you
Edited by wire5 (06/11/11 10:41 AM)
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Locky
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: wire5]
#14595362 - 06/11/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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shit man thats some good habitat!
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wire5
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Locky]
#14595368 - 06/11/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Locky said:

shit man thats some good habitat!
TEEEEhhhheeeee, I know where I'm going next time it rains There is a lumber yard that sits in a low land floods just like that, sits at the edge of the woods, and I have a feeling would be easy to get into at night.
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Locky
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: wire5]
#14595383 - 06/11/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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good luck! not that you need it in that habbitat
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wire5
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Re: Hunting For Panaeolus Cinctulus/Subbalteatus [Re: Locky]
#14595448 - 06/11/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Locky said: good luck! not that you need it in that habbitat 
Like I said. I've never had good luck in mulch. I'm also very lacking in the rain department. Yes thats where I shall spend this extra luck on, a freak rainstorm!
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