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Offlinepouihi
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Re: .... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14610390 - 06/14/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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pouihi said:
yeah, that's the problem, not bought :shrug:




I think the real problem is that the US is putting it's nose in other
people's business,  we funded our enemies to fight each other and now they
fight us, all of this is 60+ years in the making because we have a policy of
intervention where we shouldnt and we ignore the crap we should be working on




agreed.


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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14614189 - 06/14/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14614219 - 06/14/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

all I'm seeing from you is opinion, I've provided proof of my claims


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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14614280 - 06/14/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14614303 - 06/14/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I see... so you mentioned it


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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14614343 - 06/14/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
all I'm seeing from you is opinion, I've provided proof of my claims




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ter·ror·ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Noun: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.




Proven.


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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: Shins] * 2
    #14614629 - 06/14/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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US auditors say as much as 6.6 billion dollars in Iraqi reconstruction funds may have been stolen in "the largest theft of funds in national history."




The audit, by Special Inspector General for Iraqi Reconstruction, blamed the Pentagon for not keeping track of the funds, antiwar.com reported on Tuesday.

It also reported that the US has simply loaded transport planes with USD 100 bills and did little to keep track of it when the planes landed.

Pentagon officials determined that one giant C-130 Hercules cargo plane could carry USD 2.4 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks of USD 100 bills. They sent an initial full planeload of cash, followed by 20 other flights to Iraq by May 2004 in a USD 12-billion haul that US officials believe to be the biggest international cash airlift of all time.

Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction Stuart Bowen said it may be the “largest theft of funds in national history.”

However, the Pentagon insisted that all of the money remained under Iraqi government control the entire time.

US officials say the money was not US taxpayer dollars, but rather money from the UN Oil for Food program that the US was charged with delivering in the wake of the 2003 invasion.

Meanwhile, Iraq's Ambassador to the US Samir Sumaidaie said "Iraq has an interest in looking after its assets."

The revelation came days after Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher suggested during a Baghdad visit that Iraq repay the US for money it spent on the 2003 invasion and post-war reconstruction.

The comment infuriated Iraqi officials and forced the government to ask the five-term California Republican and his congressional delegation to leave the country.


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Re: Pay back the United States for the money it has spent in the eight years since the U.S [Re: Coaster]
    #14625367 - 06/16/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you coaster for posting that as I terribly wanted to after I heard about
this on CNN. But of course was unable to post because of an extremely unfair ban
by Prisoner. I will leave it at that.


But what do you guys make of coasters last post? Sad to see this thread die
after such information was brought fourth.



Pentagon officials determined that one giant C-130 Hercules cargo plane could carry USD 2.4 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks of USD 100 bills. They sent an initial full planeload of cash, followed by 20 other flights to Iraq by May 2004 in a USD 12-billion haul that US officials believe to be the biggest international cash airlift of all time.

Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction Stuart Bowen said it may be the “largest theft of funds in national history.”

Our government has now signs of slowing down as far as how much they amaze me
by their corruption and greed which of course is why this thread was created in the first place.


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Re: .... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14625466 - 06/16/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I skipped most pages so ignore this if you must.

Out  economy is going down. We rule with military now. it seems. I have always been against wars. but this is our future. We need to show our military might and our pure pressure.

We will rule through our military even if our economy falls. Accept it. It sounds bad. it is bad. But for this country to continue to thrive. We must use our muscle.


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Re: .... [Re: dshow]
    #14625634 - 06/16/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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dshow said:
I skipped most pages so ignore this if you must.

Out  economy is going down. We rule with military now. it seems. I have always been against wars. but this is our future. We need to show our military might and our pure pressure.

We will rule through our military even if our economy falls. Accept it. It sounds bad. it is bad. But for this country to continue to thrive. We must use our muscle.





If we continue this path this country will not "continue to thrive" quite the opposite.


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Re: .... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14625873 - 06/16/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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dshow said:
I skipped most pages so ignore this if you must.

Out  economy is going down. We rule with military now. it seems. I have always been against wars. but this is our future. We need to show our military might and our pure pressure.

We will rule through our military even if our economy falls. Accept it. It sounds bad. it is bad. But for this country to continue to thrive. We must use our muscle.





If we continue this path this country will not "continue to thrive" quite the opposite.





your making more sense then i am. but think about it. Its true. God damn do i hate our takeover of other countries. But it is true. We are going into a military state. I hate to say it but we are going to thrive through our military. Its no longer about peace. Its about owning other countries and dominance of resources


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Re: .... [Re: dshow]
    #14625891 - 06/16/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this country will thrive. Not in the way we seek. but sadly over arms. Our economy is going down. countries are talking to one another to out the dollar. I hate the military but damnit we must be crude. Our military is what is lowering prices of everything.


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Re: .... [Re: dshow]
    #14625924 - 06/16/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Only if we make it about that. Fuck the other countries. We can be free of our oil dependency in a few short years, given the rates at which we have bacteria and e. coli producing oil. We can stop making it about war and focus on feeding everyone and not being dependent on barrels of crude. We can spend half of our current defense budget and still be the largest military on the planet, guarding our own fucking shores. We don't have to be the largest country in the world. We're supposed to set the best example so that the rest of the world envies our way of life.

Instead we're killing dictators that we supported and pretending to rebuild those countries while we groom the next dictator and build military compounds. It doesn't have to be this way, the military is selling us that lie to get theirs.


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Re: .... [Re: uber_aj]
    #14626000 - 06/16/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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uber_aj said:
Only if we make it about that. Fuck the other countries. We can be free of our oil dependency in a few short years, given the rates at which we have bacteria and e. coli producing oil. We can stop making it about war and focus on feeding everyone and not being dependent on barrels of crude. We can spend half of our current defense budget and still be the largest military on the planet, guarding our own fucking shores. We don't have to be the largest country in the world. We're supposed to set the best example so that the rest of the world envies our way of life.

Instead we're killing dictators that we supported and pretending to rebuild those countries while we groom the next dictator and build military compounds. It doesn't have to be this way, the military is selling us that lie to get theirs.





-How can we become free of our oil dependency in a few short years?

-The key is evolution of our own technology. Stop sending on defense
and start investing time and resources into finding sustainable energy.
Fossil fuels should not be part of a future anything. We should be moving
away from them instead of perusing them. I realize there are a shit ton
of jobs and "money" invested in Oil and other fossil fuels but that should not
hinder our decision making for a better tomorrow. Too many people living in the now.


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Re: .... [Re: uber_aj]
    #14626012 - 06/16/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

uber_J you guys all make sense. I wish it was that easy. Look its obvious we are falling or so its told. I hate hate hate the military. But you need to realize we are using it as a strong arm.  We are going to keep strong through having a strong military. freedom for security has been exchanged. And now we MUST rule through pur stength. Its not going to be reversed. see it for what it is. we must pure pressure to get what we want!


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Re: .... [Re: dshow]
    #14626058 - 06/17/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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dshow said:
uber_J you guys all make sense. I wish it was that easy. Look its obvious we are falling or so its told. I hate hate hate the military. But you need to realize we are using it as a strong arm.  We are going to keep strong through having a strong military. freedom for security has been exchanged. And now we MUST rule through pur stength. Its not going to be reversed. see it for what it is. we must pure pressure to get what we want!





Thats not the way it has to be its only for profit. Plain and simple. look at coasters
last post and look at my very first OP.

Even if none of that happened it would still not change anything in regards to
or war tactics for cash. We rape the people of this country trillions of dollars
only to fund wars that do nothing but harm to everyone involved while we are stuck
at home on the brink of financial collapse.

A group of lawyers are getting together to sue Obama over his Libya bullshit
and I truly hope by some miracle that they succeed in doing so. That will not
happen tho Im sad to say.

We are not and will never "Prosper" from policing the world and instilling
dictators that play ball. This whole shit show is on its way down.


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Re: .... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14626124 - 06/17/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

deadhearts it is how it has to be. its going to be. I remember when i was against this shit. Hell ive been conservative mostly. Maybe im wrong. But shit if wer are truly falling. We shall seek our strong arm (armed forces)  and gain respect,money,resources through our military might. My friend brought this up.

So i have no actual facts to back this up. But damn. Its starting to look like it. And if so.. I HATE IT... but if that is whats going to give us a better life then so be it.


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Re: .... [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14626140 - 06/17/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed, but in the mean time we already have renewable oil technology being developed with quite a bit of success, we can even supposedly engineer the oil to burn efficiently enough that it will dramatically reduce emissions. Technology was also recently introduced to use low-cost lasers to replace spark plugs, a big step in vehicle efficiency. A cleaner burn means less byproduct. Things can progressively evolve w/o seriously fucking up the infrastructure of our country.

I think it's naive to believe we'll strong arm the world, dshow. What are we gonna do, use nukes? Spend our nonexistent money on building more death machines instead of roads and schools? Our imagined importance is going to have to fade, it's petty nationalism and it isn't important to our survival, it's a hindrance.


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Re: .... [Re: uber_aj]
    #14626206 - 06/17/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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uber_aj said:
Agreed, but in the mean time we already have renewable oil technology being developed with quite a bit of success, we can even supposedly engineer the oil to burn efficiently enough that it will dramatically reduce emissions. Technology was also recently introduced to use low-cost lasers to replace spark plugs, a big step in vehicle efficiency. A cleaner burn means less byproduct. Things can progressively evolve w/o seriously fucking up the infrastructure of our country.

I think it's naive to believe we'll strong arm the world, dshow. What are we gonna do, use nukes? Spend our nonexistent money on building more death machines instead of roads and schools? Our imagined importance is going to have to fade, it's petty nationalism and it isn't important to our survival, it's a hindrance.



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its  not ignorant. I had an incredibly intelligent friend bring this up. whether me or him are smart is irrelevant. i mean hell there are sooo many smart people on this forum. 

I was trying to think otherwise.  What do you think? i dont dwell on our economy going down. But i realize our military might is the only thing we have left. We are still the  world's reserve economy. What happens when we are no longer the world's reserve?? We have our military power. China might have 2 million people. But our technology is insane... we have no idea. but we must use our "fist" to further our culture.


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Re: .... [Re: dshow]
    #14626243 - 06/17/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You're acting like the world is over if we lose our spot as top dog. Britain lost theirs and they had it way longer than we did. They're fine. :shrug: I mean they're not fine, but their government got over it. We're just gonna have to

:blewmeanie:

Really, everything will be fine, we don't have to go kill everyone to prove anything. We can just focus on ourselves and be fine. We can develop the next energy source for the world and climb back up, or we can have slightly less luxury and pay more for gas.


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