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OfflineHappy Camper
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Wavy Caps
    #14593049 - 06/11/11 06:54 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I found an interesting patch of wavy capped mushrooms. I have found Psilocybe subaeruginosa many times before in the same valley and have posted a photo of them too but the wavy capped ones are different. The main difference is the cap, its wavy but also smaller in diameter than the subs even at maturity. They also seem a little thicker both in the cap and stem. Within about 5 mins of being picked blue bruising appeared so I collected some in a separate bag from my other subs and brought them home. I didnt have my camera with me but will go back and take some photos next week.
Could they be Psilocybe cyanescens? Im in South Australia.
Wavy Wavy Psilocybe subaeruginosa
Any info would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Happy Camper]
    #14593097 - 06/11/11 07:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like P. cyanescens to me. :shrug:


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Twiztidsage] * 1
    #14593126 - 06/11/11 07:05 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Looks like P. cyanescens to me. :shrug:



:thumbup: Sometimes I think that Psilocybe subaeruginosa and Psilocybe cyanescens are the same mushroom.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Twiztidsage]
    #14593166 - 06/11/11 07:11 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Twiztidsage for your fast reply. That would be quite a rare find in South Australia I think. Id love any other info regarding is occurrence in Australia as I cant seem to find much info about it here. Wiki does mention Australia but there seems to be little verifiable evidence. There is nothing like this popping up on our south australia thread.
The patch was very defined and I didnt find any non wavy ones in the same area but maynar may be right as there are many similarities.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14593195 - 06/11/11 07:16 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, Those really do look like Ps. cyanescens.. I thought this would be a post of Subs with particularly wavy caps but those really do look like cyans. The size difference as you mentioned is about right too. The only way to know is microscopy i suppose.

Not to hijack your thread. Coincidentally i found what i think to be some Subs in a area i picked cyans last season.


Crazy to imagine how these things could happen..


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Happy Camper]
    #14593273 - 06/11/11 07:32 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Lord of the Nor do you know what difference there is under a microscope and the magnification required? I have a bifocal microscope but its only 20x. Thanks


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14593343 - 06/11/11 07:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Twiztidsage said:
Looks like P. cyanescens to me. :shrug:



:thumbup: Sometimes I think that Psilocybe subaeruginosa and Psilocybe cyanescens are the same mushroom.



Here in the SF bay area we have a mushroom caklled Ps. Cyanofrisosa, but inski says its identical to ps. Subaerug.  So there may be something to what you're saying.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14593406 - 06/11/11 07:56 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Happy Camper]
    #14593640 - 06/11/11 08:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"wavy caps are subs and regular, where I go about half my usual haul is wavy caps.
Subs vary greatly such as north subs look different from south subs, adelaide subs are different from melbourne subs.

Its still subaeruginosa.

P. australiana, P. eucalypta are similar as well, a member here called blue meanie tried to prove (quite a few years back) that they where all one and the same mushroom, P. subaeruginosa.

Like I said even one side of town has fairly different subs from each other, and one place I know you see all kinds of subs, if you know your stuff you'll find ones that don't even look like subs. The variation is incredible in SA."

from wiki...

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    Studies of comparative morphology, isozyme analysis and mating compatibility approaches have showed that P. australiana, P. eucalypta and P. tasmania are synonyms of this species.[2]

This is all from Austrip on the South Australian thread. Looks like its quite normal here I just hadnt come across it before. Thanks everybody for your info.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Happy Camper]
    #14593789 - 06/11/11 09:39 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You would need  400x  magnification to look at any gill tissues or cystidia basidium etc. and preferably 1000x and oil immersion for spores but you might be able to get what you need from them with x700 or x800. I don't have my books where i am so i cannot tell you the specific differences, but they are very similar under the scope. The significant differences would be in the pleurocystidia and cheliocystidia i think.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14594236 - 06/11/11 12:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt think my 20x would cut the mustard. Ill ask around to see what people have at their disposal. It would be nice to have a verifiable identification of Ps. cyanescens in my state as I havent been able to find one. Thank you for the use of your amazing knowledge and ill get back in contact if I can find someone with a powerful enough scope.
The patch that they came from is very healthy and protected, I think it will be safe for years to come.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Happy Camper]
    #14594638 - 06/11/11 03:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Wavy caps and I tend to agree they well could be Ps. Cyans are spread out across South Australia, so unfortunately Happy camper its not that much of a rare find so to speak,but yes rarer then subs.
Theres some very nice mushrooms you have there!













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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: ummagumma]
    #14594754 - 06/11/11 04:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

woodlovers are pretty much the same mushroom, but each have addapted to there differnt enviroments, i think this anyway




Is it possable for similar woodlovers, to grow in eachothers habitat?

Like cyans growing in aus if introduced, would they do allright?


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Locky]
    #14595864 - 06/11/11 09:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14595872 - 06/11/11 09:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14595876 - 06/11/11 09:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ok well. heres what it boils down to. they look a hell of a lot like cyans. could just be wavy subs tho. only way to tell would be micoscopy and mebbe some DNA sequencing....but in the long run....they are hallucinogenic so does it matter? i mean sure it would to some, but im willing to bet this guy just wants to be :trippnballs: sooo it doesnt really matter. eat em up.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14595908 - 06/11/11 09:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

yeah i guess so :bananahorsey:


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: Locky]
    #14596314 - 06/11/11 11:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

wow they do look alot like cyans!! i was just looking at the climate for aus and maybe it is possible for them to grow there although im no expert i suspect its too warm? they like to fruit here when its around 5-10 Celsius


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: m-d-m-a]
    #14596507 - 06/12/11 12:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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wow they do look alot like cyans!! i was just looking at the climate for aus and maybe it is possible for them to grow there although im no expert i suspect its too warm? they like to fruit here when its around 5-10 Celsius




Its very possible. Conditions aren't the if, spores are. P. cyanescens fruiting in  South Australia is almost a given, the question is how would it have gotten there.


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Re: Wavy Caps [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14596615 - 06/12/11 12:35 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

trade winds :confused:


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