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iDmt
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Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL
#14592687 - 06/10/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hello, I found quite a hefty lot of what I believe are paneoulus or paneolopsis species. My spot is absolutely packed with them, if they are what I think they are, i'll go again tomorrow.
They were found in the immediate areas of pic 1 and 3 in my other id post here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14570322
Heres some pics at a quick glance:    
Questionables:
The whole loot:
Questions -By just eyeballing, what do you guys think? -Can you spot any that I might want to raise suspicion to not being edible? -If they are what I predicted, how would I find out if they are active? -Also, should I go about storing these, will a ziplock baggie in the fridge work?
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14592711 - 06/10/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited in some more questions.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14592714 - 06/10/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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They look different from most panaeolus i've seen.
Almost certainly paneolopsis
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: bholzer]
#14592721 - 06/10/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do not use ziploc bags, it causes the mushrooms to degrade quickly. If you want to store them, you need to dry them first.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: bholzer]
#14592746 - 06/10/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are Panaeolopsis no doubt.
If your spot is packed with them and you intend on eating them, do the community a favor and weigh whatever you intend on eating and report back with what you experience. Not much is known about the potency of these. I read of someone having a great time with 2.5 gr. dry (25 fresh) but ive also read of someone needing to eat 70 for a light effect.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#14592765 - 06/10/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, air dry. Or if you have a dehydrator or a heater. I usually just air dry in the sun on a sheet of wax paper or paper towels.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#14592770 - 06/10/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Paneolopsis species.
Look at them under the micropscope.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#14592777 - 06/10/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone, but still got some questions: Okay bear with me here, im new... if these are paneolopsis, are they forsure active? If not how do I find out? Is consuming the only way to find out and are they safe to eat?
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14592798 - 06/10/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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they are all psychoactive paneolopsis mushrooms. good find! What was the habitat that you find those in? I would eat them in a heart beat, I have no idea what the dosage is.. something similar to psilocybe semilanceata I would guess
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maynardjameskeenan said: they are all psychoactive paneolopsis mushrooms. good find! What was the habitat that you find those in? I would eat them in a heart beat, I have no idea what the dosage is.. something similar to psilocybe semilanceata I would guess 
I'd go for a Panaeolus subb dosing type.
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maynardjameskeenan said: they are all psychoactive paneolopsis mushrooms. good find! What was the habitat that you find those in? I would eat them in a heart beat, I have no idea what the dosage is.. something similar to psilocybe semilanceata I would guess 
Just a grassy park area . The first time I went hunting I found a few of these, I went again my second time and got all that. So just to be 100% clear... -You know forsure these are active? How can you tell? -These are safe to eat?
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ehtdaedlufetarg said: Those are Panaeolopsis no doubt.
If your spot is packed with them and you intend on eating them, do the community a favor and weigh whatever you intend on eating and report back with what you experience. Not much is known about the potency of these. I read of someone having a great time with 2.5 gr. dry (25 fresh) but ive also read of someone needing to eat 70 for a light effect.
Aye cap'n. Will do
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14592889 - 06/10/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe that the mushroom you have is Panaeolopsis nirimbii. from what I have read it is 100% active. Even if it wasn't active they are not poisonous. I am no expert but I think you need to stop being a pussy and eat some of them. I think the dose for pan subbs is 20-30 grams so that might be a place to start. If you end up having fun with them write a trip report.
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maynardjameskeenan said: I think you need to stop being a pussy and eat some of them
Haha I would've but i've read so much stuff that contradicts what you said that I think I'll be a pussy till im 100% sure. Thanks though.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14592950 - 06/10/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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iDmt said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: they are all psychoactive paneolopsis mushrooms. good find! What was the habitat that you find those in? I would eat them in a heart beat, I have no idea what the dosage is.. something similar to psilocybe semilanceata I would guess 
Just a grassy park area . The first time I went hunting I found a few of these, I went again my second time and got all that. So just to be 100% clear... -You know forsure these are active? How can you tell? -These are safe to eat?
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ehtdaedlufetarg said: Those are Panaeolopsis no doubt.
If your spot is packed with them and you intend on eating them, do the community a favor and weigh whatever you intend on eating and report back with what you experience. Not much is known about the potency of these. I read of someone having a great time with 2.5 gr. dry (25 fresh) but ive also read of someone needing to eat 70 for a light effect.
Aye cap'n. Will do
Its a relatively distinctive mushroom in my eyes. Most of the collections are from the bay area of california and southern california. they are found in grassy fields and lawns, not in natural fields (as far as i know)) The big thing is the irregular and constricted cap margin. It would have a black spore print if you printed it.
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maynardjameskeenan said: I think you need to stop being a pussy and eat some of them
Haha I would've but i've read so much stuff that contradicts what you said that I think I'll be a pussy till im 100% sure. Thanks though.
Great attitude towards eating fungus.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#14593078 - 06/10/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's always a good to be sure of what you are eating before you are eating it. But with this post and your last panaeolopsis post you must have been told a dozen times by a dozen different people that you have panaeolopsis but you still keep asking if everyone is 100% sure... I don't know how many people need to tell you before you believe the first 12.
Sorry to be a dick! Great find man! I am jealous.
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maynardjameskeenan said: It's always a good to be sure of what you are eating before you are eating it. But with this post and your last panaeolopsis post you must have been told a dozen times by a dozen different people that you have panaeolopsis but you still keep asking if everyone is 100% sure... I don't know how many people need to tell you before you believe the first 12.
Sorry to be a dick! Great find man! I am jealous.
Haha no problem. And these are gonna be chowed on sunday, i'll document dosage and strength. Thanks again everyone
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14593486 - 06/10/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The paneolopsis i find are nearly as potent as panaeolus subb's
Active ime but mine where found in aus
These are some i found a long time ago

These were realy thin


Edited by Locky (06/10/11 11:19 PM)
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14595365 - 06/11/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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great find, this one i want to cross off my list! wonder if they grow up here.
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they are a good looking mushroom i must say
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14595441 - 06/11/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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They look so similar to liberty caps, but so different at the same time. I want to try them!
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: bholzer]
#14595722 - 06/11/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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They taste just like subbs to me  they may be mutants
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14595774 - 06/11/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Locky said: They taste just like subbs to me  they may be mutants
Can't wait till I find out myself
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14595803 - 06/11/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you dosing fresh?
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14595849 - 06/11/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Locky said: Are you dosing fresh?
The dose will be dry. I'll document dose and potency.
More can be picked and maybe a week later another dose of fresh, but same number of mushies. I'll document differences in potency, if any are noticed.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14595866 - 06/11/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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sounds like a plan. These are not a well documented sp.
make a trip report also, if you have time
Edited by Locky (06/11/11 12:35 PM)
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14595966 - 06/11/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Will do sir.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14596879 - 06/11/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Found some more sexies today:

Also found a lot of these in the immediate area. Anything special?
  
I'll make an id request if I don't get an answer in a few hours. I'm not all to concerned w/ these as I belive they are nothing special.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14596924 - 06/11/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spore print them, could be subbs. They look like foes to me
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14596933 - 06/11/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Probably Panaeolina
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14596970 - 06/11/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Locky said: Spore print them, could be subbs. They look like foes to me
The gills are darker then the foes that I see or maybe its the camera. But yeah spore print for sure.
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Printing. I agree maynard that's why im a bit skeptical to these being active.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14597742 - 06/11/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dark black spore print. I have the others printing also, figured I'd put this one up now.

What you guys think?
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14597759 - 06/11/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hard to say with that print. I feel like i see a little brown in there though.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
#14597797 - 06/11/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aright check back in an hour or so, i'll put the other one up.
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14598419 - 06/11/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No brown whatsoever, used magnifying glass. Take a look.

Analysis?
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14598426 - 06/11/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If thats the case, they are subs.
Or maybe another panaeolus sp (unlikly)
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14598474 - 06/11/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it just coincidence that subs and panaeolopsis were found less than a foot away?
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14598528 - 06/11/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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na subbs and panaeolopsis are allways found next to each other, allways
Its just like how foes are found near subbs
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: Locky]
#14598603 - 06/11/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are the gills always black? Cause I found a bunch of tan brown gill species right next to the panaeolopsis that looked similar but just discarded them
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14598615 - 06/11/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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im not too sure about that
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14598728 - 06/12/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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iDmt said: Are the gills always black? Cause I found a bunch of tan brown gill species right next to the panaeolopsis that looked similar but just discarded them
The tan brown ones are panaeolus foenisecii.
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Okay I picked a bunch of new species near the panaeoopsis. Check out the thread:
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: iDmt]
#14600978 - 06/12/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm liking this,because we seem to be finding similar finds that no one can really ID :-)
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Re: Are these paneoulus or paneolopsis? SOCAL [Re: KBG1977]
#14713954 - 07/04/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, sorry to post a link ad but I feel like you guys know a lot more about this than the people in the psych forum. Help me with my 'lopsis dosing
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