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I need some help identifying this.
    #14592379 - 06/10/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



Habitat:
I found this growing in some grass on the side of the road. There were a few other basic ones that grow all over Massachusetts and I just recently started to pay attention to these beautiful finds. All my life of running around in the woods, I've never seen this kind of mushroom.

Gills:
When I took a look a the gills, it really wasn't "Gill Like". More of a solid white underneath the cap.

Stem:
About 2 inches from root to cap, white but bruised a violet redish color.

Cap:
The cap in light yellow with darker yellow splotches all around it. It reminded me of the epic Fly Agaric.

Spore print color:
I didn't really have a chance to take one. I had to toss it because I things to do and didn't want to be "that guy" walking into mcdonalds with a shroom.

Bruising:
Redish violet on the stem.

Other information:
I assumed it could be poisonous so I destroyed it and washed my hands afterwords. But none the less, I would love to know what kind it is and if it has any business growing in Western Massachusetts?


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592403 - 06/10/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

amanita species, did you get a picture of the base?


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14592435 - 06/10/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No I didn't. All the information I can give I have written down. I know, not the best but I did what I could for the passing moment. I only have one more pic but it's really no different. I apologize for not taking correct precautions for I know it is an inconvenience to the question. I'm a beginner :P


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14592454 - 06/10/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If it doesn't have gills, It's not Amanita. But slugs and little bugs seem to love the easy-to-eat gills, but they usually leave evidence of gills. By the way it looks, I'd also say it's Amanita, but lack of gills takes that away.
And I'm no expert either =D Pretty mushroom you have there, though.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592518 - 06/10/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Indeed it is :wink:  Thank you for your help.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592656 - 06/10/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

by "no gills" could you mean that they are still veiled? It kinda looks like A. Muscaria var. formosa.

break the solid white underside with a knife or something.. you'll find the gills inside.

notice the gills are still veiled on the left side of the mushroom





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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592675 - 06/10/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The warts are reminiscent of Amanita but I don't think it is. Its pretty small for Amanita especially how mature it appears to be. Ive seen Amanita buttons with unopened caps 4-5 tmes that size.  We need better pictures to really ID it. Clear and in focus shots of the cap gills and stem would help a lot.


Did the "Gills" look like a flat white layer of tiny tiny pores, did it appear finely dotted? For some reason i think it looks Boletales. unless theres no pores and the gills were eaten or OP doesn't know what an veil is or somethin.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: PrecariousCibarius]
    #14592694 - 06/10/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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by "no gills" could you mean that they are still veiled? It kinda looks like A. Muscaria var. formosa.

break the solid white underside with a knife or something.. you'll find the gills inside.




Amanita muscaria var. formosa has white warts that are more like flat pieces of skin on the the cap rather than raised and somewhat shaped like these appear to be.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14592728 - 06/10/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the veil reference, I didn't think of that.
Maybe something in Amanita gemmata? I don't know, just shooting in the dark as usual.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Darklight203]
    #14592799 - 06/10/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks for the veil reference, I didn't think of that.
Maybe something in Amanita gemmata? I don't know, just shooting in the dark as usual.




there's a possibility that gemmata and formosa can be confused.. i'm honestly having trouble finding a significant difference between the two in any of my reference books.

they do mention (mushrooms demystified) that the formosa should fade yellowish with a peach center, so if it (and it's brothers/sisters) don't have it I'd lean towards gemmata. (however web picture results aren't 10 for 10 showing a peachish center.

the trouble i'm finding is that there is no reference to "gemmata" in mushrooms demystified so my powers of perception are limited from here.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: PrecariousCibarius]
    #14592823 - 06/10/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks I learned something new :P  When I touched it my finger felt kinda funny. But I may be just silly. Keep in mind that it did bruise red. I've never seen that around here.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592851 - 06/10/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Bruised red you say? 


Amanita flavorubescens seems pretty good then.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592863 - 06/10/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure what the reddish staining could be. It almost sounds like Amanita rubescens, but they're usually brownish reddish...? And don't have raised bumps. We seem to be hovering around Amanita, but I know a TI will chime in and I'll totally facepalm. :facepalm:


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14592865 - 06/10/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. But a violet redish. When I pulled it from the ground I noticed the bottom of the stem start to slowly tare. Then the red started to fade in slowly.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14592871 - 06/10/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Bruised red you say? 


Amanita flavorubescens seems pretty good then.



:thumbup: Amanita flavorubens.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14592890 - 06/10/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: Amanita flavorubens.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: PrecariousCibarius]
    #14592914 - 06/10/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Are you sure it is an Amanita flavorubens?


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14592931 - 06/10/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

noting the color of the veil remnants on the cap I am in agreement with ehtdaedluftaerg.


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    #14592946 - 06/10/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Are you sure it is an Amanita flavorubens?



:yesnod:


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: ehtdaedlufetarg]
    #14592956 - 06/10/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Would this be a poisonous species?


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: PrecariousCibarius]
    #14592957 - 06/10/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I convinced myself that those were raised bumps, then I took a harder look =P The veil remnants sometimes come the same color as the cap. You're pretty safe with two TI's and others agreeing with them. Not saying "Trust them" but they've never steered me wrong before.
Amanitas are such show offs. They love the camera. I can't wait to find some =D :thumbup:


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Darklight203]
    #14592977 - 06/10/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

does it taste like dirt??//

Amanita frostiana is small..

http://www.amanitaceae.org/?Amanita+frostiana


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    #14592987 - 06/10/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Bruised red you say? 


Amanita flavorubescens seems pretty good then.



:thumbup: Amanita flavorubens.




Is it flavorubeSCenS or flavorubens? When i look it up it says flavorubescens?


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    #14593022 - 06/10/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ehtdaedlufetarg said:
Bruised red you say? 


Amanita flavorubescens seems pretty good then.



:thumbup: Amanita flavorubens.




Is it flavorubeSCenS or flavorubens? When i look it up it says flavorubescens?



They're synonyms. I use flavorubens 'cause frankly, that's what Rod Tulloss uses but all my books use flavorubescens.


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    #14593132 - 06/10/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

From what I can gather it seems to also be called "Blusher". Anything I stubble upon says that it is poisonous in England but "unknown" in the United States. I am very fascinated in this find I may go back to the location to spot a few more for further examination, some HD pics and spore printing. Thank you all for your help.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: orison]
    #14593167 - 06/10/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't know. I wasn't dumb enough to eat it.


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    #14593205 - 06/10/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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From what I can gather it seems to also be called "Blusher". Anything I stubble upon says that it is poisonous in England but "unknown" in the United States. I am very fascinated in this find I may go back to the location to spot a few more for further examination, some HD pics and spore printing. Thank you all for your help.



The "Blusher" is a European species (Amanita rubescens). In North America we have a very similar mushroom that we call A. rubescens; which is edible. What you have here is A. flavorubens...the "Yellow Blusher". A strictly eastern North Americans species that isn't edible and may be toxic.


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    #14593364 - 06/10/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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From what I can gather it seems to also be called "Blusher". Anything I stubble upon says that it is poisonous in England but "unknown" in the United States. I am very fascinated in this find I may go back to the location to spot a few more for further examination, some HD pics and spore printing. Thank you all for your help.



The "Blusher" is a European species (Amanita rubescens). In North America we have a very similar mushroom that we call A. rubescens; which is edible. What you have here is A. flavorubens...the "Yellow Blusher". A strictly eastern North Americans species that isn't edible and may be toxic.




Thanks. Can't wait to see what else I can find. This time I'll do everything rite.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Icesyn]
    #14593492 - 06/10/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I wouldn't know. I wasn't dumb enough to eat it.



He was talking about a taste I think, not eating it. I taste some mushrooms I am curious about and spit it out. Amanitas and Galerinas, when I ID them, I'm never curious enough to try unless I know it down to species.
Usually I taste Russulas, in case I find an edible one. None yet. Depending on the mushroom, a little nibble and spit goes a long way to identifying, if you've nailed the habitat, substrate, and listed the characteristics with photos. Some big genera are so hard to ID down to species anyways without microscopy.


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Re: I need some help identifying this. [Re: Darklight203]
    #14601219 - 06/12/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

how you going to get sick tasting it, if you dont swallow it?...

maybe you should just leave the in the forest so some critters can eat them. Instead of bringing them home for useless pictures and high fives from the fucktards here.. :awewtf:


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    #14867756 - 08/03/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

As you can tell I took the pic outdoors. And also, I put it back so it could spread its joy to the rest of the area. I picked it to check it out for obvious educational reasons. Now be nice.


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