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I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer?
    #14592043 - 06/10/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello, 
    I am doing a second round of rye jars now as my first group are almost fully colonized and I need some for g2g transfers.  I have been reading up a lot and I am seeing that many people don't simmer or boil their rye after the 24 hour soak.  I am wondering what kind of success people who don't boil or simmer have with it.  A lot of the info is 5 years old or more on here so I kinda want to get some fresh advice about this.  Of course I'd love to cut out that step of boiling if I can.  I have some brewed coffee mixed in with hot tap water and a little gypsum in the pot as well.  Any help you guys can offer is appreciated.  Thanks!!

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: thekev333]
    #14592060 - 06/10/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The simmer is where the rye berries soak up most of their water content,so yes I would simmer


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592150 - 06/10/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The simmer is where the rye berries soak up most of their water content,so yes I would simmer



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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: Carl Sagan]
    #14592313 - 06/10/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I figure, if it works, don't fix it.
I have tried a few other so called teks and failed, so I soak & simmer, boil.
Taking the necessary steps saves on disappointment.
Think of it as taking 2 months to get a grow in and only 10 - 15 minutes to simmer.
I hate wasting 2 months of my time because I didn't fill like taking a few extra minutes.

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: mabachko]
    #14592345 - 06/10/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When I did my jars, I had no contams whatsoever:

0.Rinse those berries, there's always hay and shit mixed in with them.
1.Soak overnight, use plenty of water, just covering them isn't enough
2.Bring to a good boil for 5 minutes,  then reduce temp (this step kills BAD bacteria in the rye berry)
3.Simmer 15-20 mins (absorbs water)
4.Drain, Fill quart jars
5.Pressure cook at 15 PSI for 90 mins
6.Let Cool, don't remove the pressure weight thingy, let it cool down and pressure drop gradually! Removing the pressure weight to drop the PSI quick will dry out the berries!
7.When cool, get 'em pregnant!
8.Put in a dark place

Don't over cook the rye berries or they'll pop open and too many popped rye berries is a big problem!

One thing though: When you get those out of the pressure cooker, make sure the enviroment you are in when you get them pregnant is STERILE! You should be able to eat off every surface in the room. I recommend a bathroom if you don't have anything better. No moving air, wipe all surfaces down and every instrument you plan on using in the process. Don't forget the rubber gloves! Wear one of those filter things over your mouth and nose, too.

That might sound like overkill, but it's critical that they be completely sterile.

Edited by Dimi (06/10/11 08:15 PM)

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: Dimi]
    #14592367 - 06/10/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I slowly bring to a boil to get the grains hot, being hot helps the moisture evaporate off of their surface.  You don't want any visible moisture on the grains, they'll be plenty hydrated from the soak.

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: gym]
    #14592392 - 06/10/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not from the soak,next time compare just a soaked kernal to one thats been simmered 10 minutes,you will see the difference


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592426 - 06/10/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't doubt that they'll take on more moisture during the simmer.....but is it needed? I've never had a jar fail because it was too dry...but I have had them fail because they were too wet  I've simmered my fair share of grains in the past and I don't do it anymore.

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: gym]
    #14592484 - 06/10/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well if it works for you then do it but a well hyrdated rye kernal results in a healthier faster colonizing myc


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592514 - 06/10/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Precisely! :mushroom2:

Faster growing means less chance the "bad guys" win!

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: Dimi]
    #14592553 - 06/10/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Right, totally, but does wetter=faster? My jars colonize in 10-14 days, does it get faster than that with spores?  I prepare my grains per RR's tek. I dont think he simmers either, you guys will have to straighten him out like you did me.

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: gym]
    #14592581 - 06/10/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The method I use makes them come out just right. Not too wet, not too try. Definitely no busted/popped berries. If you do it as I wrote, they'll grow well and quickly, too.

Just make sure you're sterile on each and every step if applicable. Being clean prevents the "enemy" from winning.


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: gym]
    #14592607 - 06/10/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Right, totally, but does wetter=faster? My jars colonize in 10-14 days, does it get faster than that with spores?  I prepare my grains per RR's tek. I dont think he simmers either, you guys will have to straighten him out like you did me.




He does simmer and I'm not talking about wetter I'm talking about fully hyrdated grains on the inside,like little water resivoirs but dry looking to the touch and sight


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592625 - 06/10/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's right, nice and juicy on the inside, not soaked on the outside

Give it a try! :goodluck:


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592638 - 06/10/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

RR does not simmer. He boils.

You boil your rye for around 10 for a soak of 24 hours. It's not a vigorous boil, but the water is 212F.

boiling does help get a bit more moisture in the grains. & helps w/ drying, cuz you steam dry them.

they should be dry to the touch. All the moisture you need is in the grain.


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14592644 - 06/10/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry...I meant boil,which I do,a full boil


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592660 - 06/10/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

gotta make sure to keep those two terms separate as they mean different things.


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14592715 - 06/10/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, I am gathering my ammo, digging through rr's post, about to rip major ass...and then this
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steelmonkey said:
Sorry...I meant boil,which I do,a full boil




Todlow, you totally stole my thunder

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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: gym]
    #14593244 - 06/10/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Soaking in cold water only really softens up the grains so they can absorb water during the boil. Even when soaking in hot water, the boil helps to fully hydrate the grains.

The other major benefit of boiling is that it heats up the grains so then they steam of the excess moisture on the surface. A few tosses in a colander as the grains cool helps get them dry, but hydrated and perfect for PCing.


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Re: I am soaking rye for 24 hours..Should I simmer? [Re: thekev333]
    #14594566 - 06/11/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Damn it....So I guess I can't skip the boiling step..haha...Good to know though.  Of course I'd rather do the work and have it come out right than half-ass it and regret it later.  Thanks guys.

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