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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14585232 - 06/09/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do some people get angry on GHB or is it a different ball game emotionally? If I could get drunk without the bullshit alcohol does, that would be great. Obviously it's still going to lower inhibitions, but the euphoria could potentially make up for that. It also won't make my nervous system think it's under attack.
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Moo456]
#14585475 - 06/09/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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as stated there are no absolutes and black and white sights with drugs, alcohol included.
lots of people get loaded and have a nice time, some get aggressive, some sad...
there is in my opinion no one that can say you are an alcoholic except yourself, otherwise you won't believe it. there is no blueprint for you had a dui or public intox, or fucked your car up, you have to make that choice.
i don't believe the genetics or the disease ideas, i come from lots of drug abuse not by my parents but their siblings, my grandparents, great grandparents, but i solely explain my use/abuse on my tendency to use/abuse to either cope with or enhance life.
i really think it is in the best interests in the powers that be to make people into 2nd class citizens, making people feel helpless, and therefore easier to control... if you are a helpless worthless slave to the bottle it is much easier to show you the light even though they are making you blind at the same time.
and yes for the vast majority i can handle my alcohol, but i also tend to drink a fair bit regularly, over when i go over the top or am off health/meal wise do things get ugly...
like every drug there are crests and lows and the balance of living through them all.
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Knewnews said: as stated there are no absolutes and black and white sights with drugs, alcohol included.
lots of people get loaded and have a nice time, some get aggressive, some sad...
I know this, but it is still definable in a certain way. The question I should have asked is:
For those who do get angry on alcohol and have tried GHB, is GHB less problematic in that way?
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Moo456]
#14585959 - 06/09/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not so sure I buy into the whole alcoholism being a genetic thing either.
Why just alcohol? Why wouldn't crack and heroin addiction be a genetic thing too?
I could see plain old addiction maybe being genetic, but eh.
I know plenty of kids who come from alcoholic families. Some of them drink reasonably, some of them are alcoholics, and some of them don't drink at all and hate the stuff.
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: wildchild68]
#14586096 - 06/09/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some guy here was claiming he has to be an alcoholic because its in his genes. As if he has no free will.
Yeah that's not what I said at all. I said that I am an alcoholic, and that when I was born I was genetically predisposed to be an alcoholic. Which is why I don't drink at all anymore. Thank you to the posters who read what I said correctly and helped clear things up.
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Moo456]
#14586163 - 06/09/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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moo,
i have only tried ghb once so bear with me, but i didn't think anger would be possible during the experience.
the same with booze, except with booze i can drink way way too much and before passing out have 2hrs of stumbling and occasional rage is provoked via blackout mode. i generally am a happy drunk unless something negative bubbles up. i call it muscle memory, that is when i get in trouble, you finish drink/shot and immediately refill, same with smoking cigs, once out relight.
idk, i struggle with labels anyways, and even more so when they apply to something as subjective as whether or not your use is crossing the line.
i figure yea i am probably a drunk but usually it isn't an issue in my life, although i tend bar and that skews the price and attainability as well as social norm. i figure if needed i will make that call and stop drinking, but i also figure i am 24 if there is a time to over drink this is it right?
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Gastronomicus said: when I was born I was genetically predisposed to be an alcoholic
Good for you man. I'm glad you are happier and sorted yourself out but ^^^ that is wrong. How can you possibly know that when we have not scientifically proven that a predisposition gene even exists yet? I mean it sounds like you claim you've been tested and have gene that doesn't exist.
Lets just leaves genes out of this because that was my whole gripe anyway. These dudes are pitching for funding, they are coming up with some ideas that was admitted in the article. I highly doubt a gene for alcoholism exists at all. Genes are a complex set of coding, multiple genes effect multiple parts of the human body.
They are litterally grasping at straws when you read beyond the sensationalist headlines...
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Moo456]
#14586422 - 06/09/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Moo456 said: Do some people get angry on GHB or is it a different ball game emotionally? If I could get drunk without the bullshit alcohol does, that would be great. Obviously it's still going to lower inhibitions, but the euphoria could potentially make up for that. It also won't make my nervous system think it's under attack.
No you're actually slightly more emotional and definetly less inhibited, i've never been angry on GHB it feels like an opiate at times . your body is smooth, no hangover, you sleep like the bestest and wake up REFRESHED! it's pretty euphoric although I'd call it a bit more sedating then alcohol (though if you're familiar with it, it's no problem^)
i love ghb   
edit: if that genetic link is true then I should be an alcoholic and I barely drink; my mothers father was an alcoholic and my father aswell.
I drink once in a while but other then that it has no attraction on me
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Beanhead]
#14591153 - 06/10/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some people are more prone to addiction, and alcohol is very easy to obtain
I do not believe that there is any evidence that someone is born pre-destined to be an alcoholic.
The first drug that I used was alcohol, and believe that is one of the reasons I fell in love with it. I have used a full range of other drugs, but alcohol has always been the one I could never get away from.
It is probably because I can get it anytime I want and it is fairly cheap.
And at this point the withdrawal really starts to suck around 65 hours without a drink.
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Rhizohunter]
#14591480 - 06/10/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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alcoholichunter said: Some people are more prone to addiction, and alcohol is very easy to obtain
I do not believe that there is any evidence that someone is born pre-destined to be an alcoholic.
The first drug that I used was alcohol, and believe that is one of the reasons I fell in love with it. I have used a full range of other drugs, but alcohol has always been the one I could never get away from.
It is probably because I can get it anytime I want and it is fairly cheap.
And at this point the withdrawal really starts to suck around 65 hours without a drink.
Id rather trip on mushies in a police station then deal with alcohol withdrawals again
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Almond Flour]
#14591603 - 06/10/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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When I was in the Marines I was pretty unhappy that all the grunts around me couldn't hold their liquor, got stupid and violent, then when I moved to AAVs, these guys were great drinkers and never got stupid. I liked them.
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Almond Flour]
#14591611 - 06/10/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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alcoholichunter said: Some people are more prone to addiction, and alcohol is very easy to obtain
I do not believe that there is any evidence that someone is born pre-destined to be an alcoholic.
The first drug that I used was alcohol, and believe that is one of the reasons I fell in love with it. I have used a full range of other drugs, but alcohol has always been the one I could never get away from.
It is probably because I can get it anytime I want and it is fairly cheap.
And at this point the withdrawal really starts to suck around 65 hours without a drink.
Id rather trip on mushies in a police station then deal with alcohol withdrawals again 
Me too, that's what I have been cutting back on my drinking
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Almond Flour]
#14591852 - 06/10/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Herbal said: I hate people who say shit like......YA IM FINE WHEN I DRINK JACK! BUT WATCH OUT WHEN I DRINK VODKA! O GOD I CANT HANDLE VODKA I LOSE CONTROL ON VODKA!!!!!!
Likes its any fucking different dumb-asses!
lol I think the same thing only thing I notice a difference is malt liquor. I dunno the science behind it or anything, but I know if I drink some fourlokos (they have the caffein and shit removed) i get fucked up. same with 40s I like drinking a 40 and some beers and having some weed
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Funguspants]
#14591946 - 06/10/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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How can people actually think that different alcoholic beverages give you the same high???
Fuck that's plain stupid
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: pouihi]
#14592030 - 06/10/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's even funnier is people that somehow think whiskey makes them a happy, controllable drunk while tequila makes them a violent, destructive drunk.
lulz
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: wildchild68]
#14592086 - 06/10/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So for all of you who think that for example Beer= Wine= Whisky= Vodka= Tequilla, you'd think:
Sativa= Indica Philosopher's Stones= Psylocibe sp containing psylocibin Peyote= San Pedro = Peruvian Torch Mimosa = Banisteriopsis
the list goes on...
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: pouihi]
#14593242 - 06/10/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pouihi said: So for all of you who think that for example Beer= Wine= Whisky= Vodka= Tequilla, you'd think:
Sativa= Indica Philosopher's Stones= Psylocibe sp containing psylocibin Peyote= San Pedro = Peruvian Torch Mimosa = Banisteriopsis
the list goes on...
This is bullshit....alcohol is alcohol because the active ingrediant is ALCOHOL! Nothing else.
Sativa would = Indica.....if not for the fuck ton of cannabinoids and various other shit altering the high
I admit similar substances or topics in life may not be the same from one effect from another, but the sad truth is alcohol is the only shit getting you fucked up. Now a weird caffeinated malt liquor effecting someone different than a regular 40oz makes sense, due to the composition of chemicals. Trust me I used to hate people who would just say "WEED JUST GETS YOU STONED MAN!" and couldn't tell the differences between the highs.
....its not hard for someone to figure out if you're using your brain
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Almond Flour]
#14593370 - 06/10/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Herbal said: This is bullshit....alcohol is alcohol because the active ingrediant is ALCOHOL! Nothing else.
Sativa would = Indica.....if not for the fuck ton of cannabinoids and various other shit altering the high
I admit similar substances or topics in life may not be the same from one effect from another, but the sad truth is alcohol is the only shit getting you fucked up. Now a weird caffeinated malt liquor effecting someone different than a regular 40oz makes sense, due to the composition of chemicals. Trust me I used to hate people who would just say "WEED JUST GETS YOU STONED MAN!" and couldn't tell the differences between the highs.
....its not hard for someone to figure out if you're using your brain
Alcohol is alcohol, when it's isolated. Beer, wine and spirits are all made using different ingredients. Many of these ingredients have a varying degree of psychoactivity all their own, and play a role in the inebriation.
Absinthe is the perfect example. A spirit of which the active ingredient is alcohol, yet the Star Anise, Grande Wormwood, and Fennel, among other herbs which vary from distillery to distillery, subtly change the effect. Typically, it's said to be more vivid, and imaginative and conducive to creative thinking. It could simply be explained by herbal medicine.
The same basic principles apply with wine, beer, and other spirits.
Reading through the past posts and watching everyone egg each other on and reinforcing each other as they refute something that's basically common knowledge is a goddamn laugh riot, though.
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Herbal said: This is bullshit....alcohol is alcohol because the active ingrediant is ALCOHOL! Nothing else.
Sativa would = Indica.....if not for the fuck ton of cannabinoids and various other shit altering the high
I admit similar substances or topics in life may not be the same from one effect from another, but the sad truth is alcohol is the only shit getting you fucked up. Now a weird caffeinated malt liquor effecting someone different than a regular 40oz makes sense, due to the composition of chemicals. Trust me I used to hate people who would just say "WEED JUST GETS YOU STONED MAN!" and couldn't tell the differences between the highs.
....its not hard for someone to figure out if you're using your brain
Alcohol is alcohol, when it's isolated. Beer, wine and spirits are all made using different ingredients. Many of these ingredients have a varying degree of psychoactivity all their own, and play a role in the inebriation.
Absinthe is the perfect example. A spirit of which the active ingredient is alcohol, yet the Star Anise, Grande Wormwood, and Fennel, among other herbs which vary from distillery to distillery, subtly change the effect. Typically, it's said to be more vivid, and imaginative and conducive to creative thinking. It could simply be explained by herbal medicine.
The same basic principles apply with wine, beer, and other spirits.
I never really put Absinthe in the same category as alcohol in my head, and figured many others didnt as well (even though it is alcoholic, my understanding of it was mildly hallucinogenic).
But aside from hops that you would find in some beers (which are used for relaxation and insomnia in herbal medicine), there is really anything being added to other forms of alcohol that would make them noticeably different mentally. Unless you somehow catch a buzz from a hand-full of grapes, or the sugar from an Agave plant
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Re: Cant Handle Your Alcohol???? [Re: Almond Flour]
#14593533 - 06/10/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can handle my alcohol. Unfortunately it can't handle me.
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