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Karin
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More finds in Central Chile, ID help
#14591191 - 06/10/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I made another trip up the mountain in search of more Amanita Muscarias. Unfortunately, the muddy conditions made it pretty much impossible to get to the top where the A.Muscarias flourish. So instead, I gathered a few little specimens. I have been trying my best to ID them myself (went through lists and lists of mushrooms found in my area, search details of the mushrooms, etc). But I was hoping someone out there might be able to ID them better than myself. All of these mushrooms were found in the Bio Bio region of central Chile, in a forest consisting of hundreds of different types of trees. However, the Araucaria araucana (Moneky Puzzle Tree) dominates a lot of the forest. I thought it would be helpful to mention this tree since the mushrooms just love to grow around it (mostly the Amanita Muscarias like to grow next to them). Anyway, I took my little empty egg carton up the mountain to collect some good finds (paper bags are very rare here, and I found using an empty cardboard egg carton not only helps separate the specimens, but also keeps them from squishing and going all mushy).
 I really am not expecting any actives here (although that would be a nice surprise), I really just want to get an ID for these guys, and start doing a process of elimination to find actives in this forest (I know they are in there somewhere!). Anyway, onto the mushrooms! (Sorry for the huge amount of pics, I wanted to provide as much detail as possible)
#1

#2

#3 Note: The younger mushrooms of this specie had red stems. Spore print: white as far as I can see, didn't really leave much of a spore print.

#4

#5 (Waiting for spore print)

#6 (I love this little guys, they have a nice musky scent and are very soft to the touch) Spore print: Powder white.

#7 (Similar to the former, but not the same. A peach gill color, waiting on spore print)

#8 I adore this mushroom, unfortunately I haven't been able to find any info on it. A massive mushroom with a great chocolate color.

#9 I see this one every time I go up the mountain (not the young one, the open one) and it keeps getting taller and taller!

#10 (Pumpkin orange mushroom, with an orange spore print. Leaves an orange "ink" on hands when handled.

So that's all of them! It must be said that it is also winter here, and the forest has a constant cloud hovering in it, it is extremely humid and damp. Although it is winter, the temperature stays around 50F and rains every other day. Thanks for all the encouragement from this community and any help in giving these guys an ID!
View of the mountain where mushrooms were found from my balcony in Concepcion, Chile:

P.S. I could have gathered probably a few more mushrooms... But 3 angry goats chased us away. I have never been chased by a goat before...

Happy Hunting!
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591277 - 06/10/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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1 looks like some sort of panaeolus 9 is an amanita, and 10 looks like a russula, but I'm probably wrong there.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: bholzer]
#14591389 - 06/10/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you  Looking into it, I think #1 maybe is Panaeolus subbalteatus? It is also supposed to grow in my area, so maybe that's what it is.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591399 - 06/10/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karin said: Thank you  Looking into it, I think #1 maybe is Panaeolus subbalteatus? It is also supposed to grow in my area, so maybe that's what it is.
Unfortunately, I don't think so. The spore print for subbs is jet-black. The print for yours is brownish. Keep looking though!!
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591404 - 06/10/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karin said: Thank you  Looking into it, I think #1 maybe is Panaeolus subbalteatus? It is also supposed to grow in my area, so maybe that's what it is.
Thats what i was thinking....
Is the spore print jet black?
The enviroment looks wrong though. Let me know.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591410 - 06/10/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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1) Hypholoma, maybe H. fasciculare. Check for a bitter taste. 2) Probably Entoloma but maybe Pluteus, check gill attachment or spore shape. 3) Gymnopus sp., close to G. villosipes 4 & 5) Not sure 6) maybe Gymnopus close to G. dryophilus 7) Pluteus 8) Tricholoma 9) Macrolepiota 10) Russula & Lactarius deliciosus group
Cool mushrooms thanks for posting.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14591439 - 06/10/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, it is dark dark brown.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591454 - 06/10/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karin said: No, it is dark dark brown.
Hmmm. looked black to me.. In that case not a pan. Cinctulus.
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Thank you Alan! Does #1 look a bit like Gymnopilus sp.? It just has such a distinct golden color, although now the rings are getting a bit darker since it was handled. The spore print was very very dark brown.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14591459 - 06/10/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool finds man.. Dont give up and thanks for posting
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14591460 - 06/10/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm it might be leaning more towards black actually. It is not jet black though.
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Alan Rockefeller said: 1) Hypholoma, maybe H. fasciculare. Check for a bitter taste. 2) Probably Entoloma but maybe Pluteus, check gill attachment or spore shape. 3) Gymnopus sp., close to G. villosipes 4 & 5) Not sure 6) maybe Gymnopus close to G. dryophilus 7) Pluteus 8) Tricholoma 9) Macrolepiota 10) Russula & Lactarius deliciosus group
Cool mushrooms thanks for posting.
Damn, I was so sure of number 9, but guess not!
At least I got 10 right
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591464 - 06/10/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karin said:
Thank you Alan! Does #1 look a bit like Gymnopilus sp.? It just has such a distinct golden color, although now the rings are getting a bit darker since it was handled. The spore print was very very dark brown.
I know youre asking Alan, but i would say probably not.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14591503 - 06/10/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karin said:
Thank you Alan! Does #1 look a bit like Gymnopilus sp.? It just has such a distinct golden color, although now the rings are getting a bit darker since it was handled. The spore print was very very dark brown.
Not Gymnopilus. Hypholoma or Pholiota, probably Hypholoma.
Gymnopilus has a rusty brown print.
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Karin said: Hmm it might be leaning more towards black actually. It is not jet black though.
All members of Panaeolus have a jet black print. Even if you said these had a jet black print I wouldn't call them Panaeolus, they don't look like that. These are definitely woodlover mushrooms. See if they are bitter.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
All members of Panaeolus have a jet black print. Even if you said these had a jet black print I wouldn't call them Panaeolus, they don't look like that. These are definitely woodlover mushrooms. See if they are bitter.
Hey Alan
Arent foes a part of the panaeolus genus? They have a brown print right?
Is this something that needs to be fixed to avoid confusion? Just wondering man.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14591545 - 06/10/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Arent foes a part of the panaeolus genus? They have a brown print right?
Officially, they are not. But if you compare the genetic data available on genbank you may come to a different conclusion.
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Is this something that needs to be fixed to avoid confusion? Just wondering man.
Probably.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: bholzer]
#14591586 - 06/10/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Alan
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14591600 - 06/10/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry Ive got another question.
Paneolina and panaeolus are diffrent right?
So do Foes go in The paneolina genus, and Cinctulus go in the panaeolus genus?
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14591623 - 06/10/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Paneolina and panaeolus are diffrent right?
Yes, Panaeolina has brown ornamented spores and Panaeolus has black spores. Most are smooth but some are finely ornamented.
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So do Foes go in The paneolina genus, and Cinctulus go in the panaeolus genus?
Yes that is the currently accepted nomenclature.
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One of these days I'm going to find an active... Thanks for all the help IDing everyone
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14592868 - 06/10/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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#3 I find is definitely Gymnopus villosipes.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14606200 - 06/13/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So to just make 100%, none of these were active, correct? Thanks!
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14606288 - 06/13/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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correct but nice hunt and spore prints
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: The Thinker]
#14607182 - 06/13/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks! I will keep searching! I should probably wait for the weather to warm up a bit.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14607196 - 06/13/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't imagine having that hard of a time finding actives in Chile!
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: KBG1977]
#14610852 - 06/14/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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well it is pretty cold right now, we are in the heart of winter. maybe once the weather warms up a bit i will see more. I saw a much bigger variety of mushrooms when I first moved here and it was late summer.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14611249 - 06/14/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Could #4 be Mycena cyanorrhiza??? They leave a white spore print and are pretty translucent and grow on wood. This species is also said to be in my area. Could this be a match??
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14611272 - 06/14/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah,Chile is very diverse in it's climate zones,especially in the mountains.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: KBG1977]
#14611343 - 06/14/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am finding a very large variety in a cloud forest on a mountain next to my apartment. Problem is, a lot of the mushrooms I have found and IDed have never been recorded in Chile before and are species that have only been found in N.America and Europe, so it might get a bit tricky trying to find actives.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14611547 - 06/14/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what you could be doing in the meantime is collecting herbarium specimens for your local university . thats what i do when i find things that arent recorded here. and you probably have bucket loads of unrecorded stuff !!
have you gottten a chance to search some horse shit yet like i said?
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14612720 - 06/14/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karin said: I am finding a very large variety in a cloud forest on a mountain next to my apartment. Problem is, a lot of the mushrooms I have found and IDed have never been recorded in Chile before and are species that have only been found in N.America and Europe, so it might get a bit tricky trying to find actives.
There are many interesting active mushrooms in Chile. A cloud forest sounds like an ideal place to look. Which elevation are you at?
Check The Genus Psilocybe by Gaston Guzman, he will list some semi-exact locations in Chile where his material that he studied came from.
For example, in the entry for Psilocybe zapotecorum, it says:
Chile: Colchagua, Pumanque, La ViƱita, Lazo
It says Psilocybe carbonaria is found in Valdivia, Cordillera, Pelada.
To find the rest of the locations look up the actives that grow in Chile (http://www.shroomery.org/8461/Which-psilocybin-mushrooms-grow-wild-in-my-area) and look each of the Psilocybe species up in The Genus Psilocybe,
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Thanks again Alan! Do you know where I can read up online about exact locations by him? There is no way for me to get his book... Books are rare here, shipping is expensive and to find a book in english is almost impossible. As for elevation: 16m, 52' is what I found.
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Re: More finds in Central Chile, ID help [Re: Karin]
#14612957 - 06/14/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you are right at sea level?
That is too low for most of the really interesting species (derrumbes), however you can find things like Gymnopilus, Panaeolus cinctulus and dung lovers everywhere.
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Well the place that i search for mushrooms is high up in a mountain, I am unsure of the exact altitude. Thanks for all the help!
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