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Do these seem small for a 4th flush?
    #14590097 - 06/10/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It was suggested by a Moderator that I post a picture for y'all.  Do these seem small to you for a 4th flush?



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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590132 - 06/10/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Without a size reference, a picture means nothing.  Put a coin, dollar bill, ruler, etc., so size can be judged.

However, if you're following proper fruiting technique, your substrate will be spent after second flush.  With good fruiting parameters, you'll get 90% or better of total potential during first and second flushes.  This generally results in molds if one shoots for a third flush because the substrate is spent, leaving the rest for secondary decomposers such as molds to colonize.
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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14590156 - 06/10/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You are correct.  This was the last flush I can expect because the mold started to grow.  For a size reference please see the coffee cup which is about 7 inches tall.  The paper is 8 1/2" from left to right.  For your reference 1 tub yields about 28 grams (15 cakes) is that a bad yield?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590258 - 06/10/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

28 grams for 15 cakes, is that total or just one flush? cause if its total then thats a very low yeild.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590274 - 06/10/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The one time I did cakes I averaged about 4 grams dry per cake single flush and the coffee mug is still hard to compare size with.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590287 - 06/10/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That's the bone dry weight of the total.  I do assume you are asking for the dried weight correct?  Are you saying I should be getting 60 grams with a better method than the old Monotub or with the Monotub?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590298 - 06/10/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fruit cakes as cakes and use grain for montubs.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14590338 - 06/10/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

wait 15 cakes = 28 grams?  wtf?!


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14590349 - 06/10/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hes saying he crumbled up 15 cakes and put them in a monotub and I think he said he got 28 grams dry total which sucks.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14590366 - 06/10/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So 28 grams is half the yield you were getting, or what was your total yield per cake?  What strain do you use?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14590367 - 06/10/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

mono tub or not each cake can put out close to 7 grams on first flush, caseing them is a good idea cause u get more from the cakes. Are u adding enough watter or getting a lot of aborts?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590370 - 06/10/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

man...28grams...

you did something wrong i think


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590376 - 06/10/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

u should try the z strain, extremly ryzomorphic myc and very aggresive. great yeilds, and potancy. one of my favorites and great for the average joe.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14590409 - 06/10/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So give or take you think my yield should be about 3 times greater than this.  You recommend the Z strain.  Is that Psilocybe zapotecorum?  I see they do offer a Z strain so I assume it's the same.  Does the strain make a huge difference in your yields?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590474 - 06/10/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It dont make a huge difference but the fact that it is highly ryzormorphic is great for pin development. Ryzomorphic myc is superior to fuzzy myc in creating pins, wich is a fact. Allso I noticed that it was stronger than cambodian, bahn thanon-somthing like that, and serveral other Iv grown. If ur looking for a super easy all around great strain try this one u will be surprised. And are u adding enough watter because 15 cake will need a shit load of water to put out what is expected.

  If u want a super strong strain try to find the penis envy, by far the strongest mushroom I have ever tryed. Usually I need half an 8th to go to the moon on most strains, but the penis envey is rediculous, I ate half of one(half of one shroom) once and I was having visions and seeing shit. It lasted all night and was incredable.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590512 - 06/10/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm adding the amount of water that was determined appropriate for bulk casing using this method according to this site in 2006.  According to one of the two reviews at Ralphster's they were yielding about 14 grams with this strain from one syringe which is enough for up to 10 cakes.

Of course I'm interested in quality, but quantity is always a big consideration.  The strain I'm working with right now because of selection or because of the way that I'm harvesting them has practically doubled the potency over several years so about 1/32 is a more typical dose now where 1/16 in the beginning seemed to produce the same effects based on my experience and what I've been told.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590516 - 06/10/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@ OP

you actually fruit your substrates for 4 or more flushes?

if you colonize them longer, they will put out most of their potential fruits on the first flush.

allowing you to put the substrate into your garden and start fruiting a new substrate.

4 flushes is a huge waste of time and space in my opinion.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590620 - 06/10/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yep, I let these peter out 'til the end.  I would agree that what you suggest would be more productive and if I was concerned about that I'd want to focus on just the first fruits and then turn it over as you say.  Still, the reviewer at Ralphster's isn't reporting yields for the Z strain that are any larger than those I've been getting.  It is a recent review and the reviewer does seem to be experienced with different strains.  I wonder if he's using 20 year old technology?  Do you think that would be very common to be so out of date?  Maybe he's following the methods of O.T. Oss & O.M Oerlc?  That's what was current 20 years ago.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590646 - 06/10/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

to better understand growing mushrooms from spores and not tested isolates.

click the link in my sig entitled "mushroom strains"

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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590713 - 06/10/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"There is evidence which suggests the fastest cubensis races produce the smallest shrooms and the slower races and varieties produce the most bulky fungus."

This suggests that the Z strain will produce a bunch of small mushrooms.  Can you recommend a better choice for multispore inoculation?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590716 - 06/10/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

just try a few and see what you like


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590740 - 06/10/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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"There is evidence which suggests the fastest cubensis races produce the smallest shrooms and the slower races and varieties produce the most bulky fungus."

This suggests that the Z strain will produce a bunch of small mushrooms.  Can you recommend a better choice for multispore inoculation?




while this tends to be true.

i would replace the word race with multispore.

if the spores you shoot into a substrate take FOREVER to colonize it.

you are goin to have some big ass fruits.

and if it just speeds through it and wants to blow its load real quick, the load probly isnt very big.

the name on the spore print has nothing to do with how fast or slow it colonizes.

its whether or not you got out of your bed on the left or right side that morning.

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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: k00laid]
    #14590769 - 06/10/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

oss and orlec created this hobby, they did not perfect it. Unfortonitly most people still use these out dated methods. It is much easyer than what they created. And watering should be up to you not some writing. Water the shit out of it when pins develop using a spray bottle every day allmost.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590798 - 06/10/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No, they did not.  Some of us were growing mushrooms long before the McKenna brothers. For example, I'm now into my fifth decade of growing, and there's others who've been at it even longer.
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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14590820 - 06/10/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

my grandpa used to grow mushrooms on decomposing logs, he is well into his 80s


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14590987 - 06/10/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So if I use the Shotgun Tub method should I be able to produce three times as much yield with the B+ strain?  Only I have to work during the day so If I do that then I'm going to have to AUTOMATE it.  I don't have all day long to sit around spraying and waving my lids around. 

RR defines my approach to automation as clearly NOT hydroponic on the basis of the definition that the nutrients are "solids."

I'm willing to accept that basis of definition.

Just please don't tell me that you can remember how mushrooms were grown 50 years ago then tell me that techniques I'm discussing which did not appear on these forums until at least 2002 are 20 years old when you know that's not true.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14591001 - 06/10/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

sgfc is already automated.

its passive though.

check the proper SGFC link in my sig and give that big wall of text a read.

you really only need to mist a SGFC 2 times a day, or 1 works too.

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    #14591074 - 06/10/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

look rr I'm sure uv been doing it for a while but if you wanted any credit or proof of ur claim you should have written a book or journal like they did and I would believe ur claim. Sorry I can say I'm jesus but that don't make that true. Sorry


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14591178 - 06/10/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm drying the last of my first grow which was b+ in 2 mini monotubs that equal 1 big monotub, I spawned bird seed to coir and vermiculite per damion5050s tek and I have gotten over a half pound.


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    #14591906 - 06/10/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14591938 - 06/10/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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caseing them is a good idea cause u get more from the cakes.



What makes you think casing cakes yields more?



Also, dont worry about the strain so much. I would work on finding a tek and perfecting it.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14591963 - 06/10/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No, they did not.  Some of us were growing mushrooms long before the McKenna brothers. For example, I'm now into my fifth decade of growing, and there's others who've been at it even longer.
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look rr I'm sure uv been doing it for a while but if you wanted any credit or proof of ur claim you should have written a book or journal like they did and I would believe ur claim. Sorry I can say I'm jesus but that don't make that true. Sorry




Wow, talk about arrogant! Well you can say you are right but we all know you are not. Mushrooms have been cultivated for thousands of years. Most notably by cultures in South America and used it rituals. There are books on that! If you want book titles I can't help you. Do some research as I don't care enough to prove it to you :shrug:


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
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look rr I'm sure uv been doing it for a while but if you wanted any credit or proof of ur claim you should have written a book or journal like they did and I would believe ur claim. Sorry I can say I'm jesus but that don't make that true. Sorry



:thumbdown: Why do you have to be disrespectful? RR is ONE of the most helpful people on this site.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14592019 - 06/10/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Were you using 1/4 pint jars?


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    #14592962 - 06/10/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well I hate to question ur obvious mesiah but I dont know who he is but I am familar with the work of peter stafford( commonly known as the god father of mushroom science) and in the book magic mushroom he wrote how p. c. species was not commonly cultivated till oss and oerik figgured out a way to make it all most easy enough for the average joe to do it even though it wasnt very easy at all, thus creating the somwhat modern hobby pf P. C. cultivation in the late 70s.
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Im not talking about edible mushrooms as im sure most of us are not.
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Wow, talk about arrogant! Well you can say you are right but we all know you are not. Mushrooms have been cultivated for thousands of years. Most notably by cultures in South America and used it rituals. There are books on that! If you want book titles I can't help you. Do some research as I don't care enough to prove it to you 


Actually harvistig and cultivating are two different things buddy, mushrooms have been eaten for thousands of years obviously for their mind altering powers. But wandering through the woods to find mushrooms and growing them in ur cave or now closet are not the same. And as for the research dont worry Iv had that covered for a while now. So next time u read one of ur books, actually read the words and not the picture.
And as for this being disrespectful, is it disrespectful to ask questions and not have an undying blind faith. Sorry that I dont want to be a follower, Id reather see for myself wich has allways been my problem but iv learned a lot as u will not see my asking any mushroom releated questions on this site. And Iv noticed in various threads rr is in he seems to talk down to everybody,(
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), yea I know that oss and oeric were their alias, thanks though.  how helpful can that be. Ask a question and get an arrogent answer?, like ur stupid. This is soppesed to be a help forum.  :mad2:


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14593041 - 06/10/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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well I hate to question ur obvious mesiah but I dont know who he is but I am familar with the work of peter stafford( commonly known as the god father of mushroom science) and in the book magic mushroom he wrote how p. c. species was not commonly cultivated till oss and oerik figgured out a way to make it all most easy enough for the average joe to do it even though it wasnt very easy at all, thus creating the somwhat modern hobby pf P. C. cultivation in the late 70s.
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Im not talking about edible mushrooms as im sure most of us are not.
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Wow, talk about arrogant! Well you can say you are right but we all know you are not. Mushrooms have been cultivated for thousands of years. Most notably by cultures in South America and used it rituals. There are books on that! If you want book titles I can't help you. Do some research as I don't care enough to prove it to you 


Actually harvistig and cultivating are two different things buddy, mushrooms have been eaten for thousands of years obviously for their mind altering powers. But wandering through the woods to find mushrooms and growing them in ur cave or now closet are not the same. And as for the research dont worry Iv had that covered for a while now. So next time u read one of ur books, actually read the words and not the picture.
And as for this being disrespectful, is it disrespectful to ask questions and not have an undying blind faith. Sorry that I dont want to be a follower, Id reather see for myself wich has allways been my problem but iv learned a lot as u will not see my asking any mushroom releated questions on this site. And Iv noticed in various threads rr is in he seems to talk down to everybody,(
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Some of us were growing mushrooms long before the McKenna brothers


), yea I know that oss and oeric were their alias, thanks though.  how helpful can that be. Ask a question and get an arrogent answer?, like ur stupid. This is soppesed to be a help forum.  :mad2:




It's actually on how you take things. From the sounds of it, you took

what RR said as being offensive. I think he was being informative. Also

it is rather hard to take you seriously, trying to come off as

knowledgeable, yet you have the punctuation and grammar of a ten year

old. You are jacking this thread, I would suggest if you have any

further bitching/griping make your own thread, or get back to the point

as to which this thread was posted.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
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well I hate to question ur obvious mesiah but I dont know who he is but I am familar with the work of peter stafford( commonly known as the god father of mushroom science) and in the book magic mushroom he wrote how p. c. species was not commonly cultivated till oss and oerik figgured out a way to make it all most easy enough for the average joe to do it even though it wasnt very easy at all, thus creating the somwhat modern hobby pf P. C. cultivation in the late 70s.
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Im not talking about edible mushrooms as im sure most of us are not.
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Wow, talk about arrogant! Well you can say you are right but we all know you are not. Mushrooms have been cultivated for thousands of years. Most notably by cultures in South America and used it rituals. There are books on that! If you want book titles I can't help you. Do some research as I don't care enough to prove it to you 


Actually harvistig and cultivating are two different things buddy, mushrooms have been eaten for thousands of years obviously for their mind altering powers. But wandering through the woods to find mushrooms and growing them in ur cave or now closet are not the same. And as for the research dont worry Iv had that covered for a while now. So next time u read one of ur books, actually read the words and not the picture.
And as for this being disrespectful, is it disrespectful to ask questions and not have an undying blind faith. Sorry that I dont want to be a follower, Id reather see for myself wich has allways been my problem but iv learned a lot as u will not see my asking any mushroom releated questions on this site. And Iv noticed in various threads rr is in he seems to talk down to everybody,(
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), yea I know that oss and oeric were their alias, thanks though.  how helpful can that be. Ask a question and get an arrogent answer?, like ur stupid. This is soppesed to be a help forum.  :mad2:




It's actually on how you take things. From the sounds of it, you took

what RR said as being offensive. I think he was being informative. Also

it is rather hard to take you seriously, trying to come off as

knowledgeable, yet you have the punctuation and grammar of a ten year

old. You are jacking this thread, I would suggest if you have any

further bitching/griping make your own thread, or get back to the point

as to which this thread was posted.



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look rr I'm sure uv been doing it for a while but if you wanted any credit or proof of ur claim you should have written a book or journal like they did and I would believe ur claim. Sorry I can say I'm jesus but that don't make that true. Sorry



:thumbdown: Why do you have to be disrespectful? RR is ONE of the most helpful people on this site.




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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14596304 - 06/11/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So I had a few questions.  I'm looking forward to trying this new technique.  Thank you for the "wall of massive information" (the videos were helpful).  I see what you mean by how a lot of water is so important to the results you're attempting to achieve and the alternation of moisture and aridity. 

1.  We know how small Perlite granules can get and with the size of the drilled holes for the Shotgun Tub, I was wondering, wouldn't having a nylon mesh screen in the bottom of the tub help to prevent the granules from clogging the holes on the bottom?

2.  By placing the tin foil underneath the cakes, where the Perlite is kept moist, in spite of all of the efforts to maintain moisture in the tub, it seems to me that the cakes are being deprived of moisture that could also come from the bottom through the wick mechanism.  As I have stated that trimmed small coffee filters make excellent trays and the mycelium does not grow through them if they are changed periodically, don't you agree that this could beneficially augment the moisture by also allowing it to come from the bottom?  This question relates to my concerns about automation.

3.  It was stated that a sonic humidifier could supplement the moisture in the sgfc.  If you've reviewed my suggestions for a method of automation: It was stated that misting and aeration were required only once or twice per day (assuming that a light fixture is generating heat from above).  I'm not convinced that florescent fixtures generate sufficient heat to really initiate the convection currents spoken of adequately and thus I presume this is why manual misting and aeration is required.  Don't you agree that just running the sonic humidifier into the tub for 15 minutes a few times a day should be sufficient to negate the need for manual operation?  I've considered the Tek as a whole and decided that the loop of tubing would be best set on top of the Perlite layer as the steam would then be emitted directly into the atmosphere of the chamber.  In this way the mist would descend directly on the cakes and Perlite and all.  Instead of a towel I have extra lids I thought of just setting beneath the tubs.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14596739 - 06/11/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Try not to bump your post unless its been 24hrs, you could get into trouble

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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14596752 - 06/11/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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it seems to me that the cakes are being deprived of moisture that could also come from the bottom through the wick mechanism. 




The purpose of the foil is to prevent the cakes from wicking moisture.  A steady-state moisture content will perform poorly.  Substrates need to dry out slightly, and then have this moisture replaced.  This ebb and flow of changing moisture content is how mushrooms have evolved in the wild, where they dry out during the summer, and then fruit again after rains when the substrate re-hydrates. We're duplicating that to a certain extent.
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