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Do these seem small for a 4th flush?
    #14590097 - 06/10/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It was suggested by a Moderator that I post a picture for y'all.  Do these seem small to you for a 4th flush?



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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590132 - 06/10/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Without a size reference, a picture means nothing.  Put a coin, dollar bill, ruler, etc., so size can be judged.

However, if you're following proper fruiting technique, your substrate will be spent after second flush.  With good fruiting parameters, you'll get 90% or better of total potential during first and second flushes.  This generally results in molds if one shoots for a third flush because the substrate is spent, leaving the rest for secondary decomposers such as molds to colonize.
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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14590156 - 06/10/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You are correct.  This was the last flush I can expect because the mold started to grow.  For a size reference please see the coffee cup which is about 7 inches tall.  The paper is 8 1/2" from left to right.  For your reference 1 tub yields about 28 grams (15 cakes) is that a bad yield?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590258 - 06/10/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

28 grams for 15 cakes, is that total or just one flush? cause if its total then thats a very low yeild.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590274 - 06/10/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The one time I did cakes I averaged about 4 grams dry per cake single flush and the coffee mug is still hard to compare size with.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590287 - 06/10/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That's the bone dry weight of the total.  I do assume you are asking for the dried weight correct?  Are you saying I should be getting 60 grams with a better method than the old Monotub or with the Monotub?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590298 - 06/10/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fruit cakes as cakes and use grain for montubs.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14590338 - 06/10/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

wait 15 cakes = 28 grams?  wtf?!


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14590349 - 06/10/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hes saying he crumbled up 15 cakes and put them in a monotub and I think he said he got 28 grams dry total which sucks.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14590366 - 06/10/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So 28 grams is half the yield you were getting, or what was your total yield per cake?  What strain do you use?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14590367 - 06/10/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

mono tub or not each cake can put out close to 7 grams on first flush, caseing them is a good idea cause u get more from the cakes. Are u adding enough watter or getting a lot of aborts?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590370 - 06/10/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

man...28grams...

you did something wrong i think


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: the astronaut]
    #14590376 - 06/10/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

u should try the z strain, extremly ryzomorphic myc and very aggresive. great yeilds, and potancy. one of my favorites and great for the average joe.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14590409 - 06/10/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So give or take you think my yield should be about 3 times greater than this.  You recommend the Z strain.  Is that Psilocybe zapotecorum?  I see they do offer a Z strain so I assume it's the same.  Does the strain make a huge difference in your yields?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590474 - 06/10/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It dont make a huge difference but the fact that it is highly ryzormorphic is great for pin development. Ryzomorphic myc is superior to fuzzy myc in creating pins, wich is a fact. Allso I noticed that it was stronger than cambodian, bahn thanon-somthing like that, and serveral other Iv grown. If ur looking for a super easy all around great strain try this one u will be surprised. And are u adding enough watter because 15 cake will need a shit load of water to put out what is expected.

  If u want a super strong strain try to find the penis envy, by far the strongest mushroom I have ever tryed. Usually I need half an 8th to go to the moon on most strains, but the penis envey is rediculous, I ate half of one(half of one shroom) once and I was having visions and seeing shit. It lasted all night and was incredable.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590512 - 06/10/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm adding the amount of water that was determined appropriate for bulk casing using this method according to this site in 2006.  According to one of the two reviews at Ralphster's they were yielding about 14 grams with this strain from one syringe which is enough for up to 10 cakes.

Of course I'm interested in quality, but quantity is always a big consideration.  The strain I'm working with right now because of selection or because of the way that I'm harvesting them has practically doubled the potency over several years so about 1/32 is a more typical dose now where 1/16 in the beginning seemed to produce the same effects based on my experience and what I've been told.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590516 - 06/10/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@ OP

you actually fruit your substrates for 4 or more flushes?

if you colonize them longer, they will put out most of their potential fruits on the first flush.

allowing you to put the substrate into your garden and start fruiting a new substrate.

4 flushes is a huge waste of time and space in my opinion.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590620 - 06/10/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yep, I let these peter out 'til the end.  I would agree that what you suggest would be more productive and if I was concerned about that I'd want to focus on just the first fruits and then turn it over as you say.  Still, the reviewer at Ralphster's isn't reporting yields for the Z strain that are any larger than those I've been getting.  It is a recent review and the reviewer does seem to be experienced with different strains.  I wonder if he's using 20 year old technology?  Do you think that would be very common to be so out of date?  Maybe he's following the methods of O.T. Oss & O.M Oerlc?  That's what was current 20 years ago.


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590646 - 06/10/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

to better understand growing mushrooms from spores and not tested isolates.

click the link in my sig entitled "mushroom strains"

ever wonder why if you want to grow shiitake, you dont use spores?


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Re: Do these seem small for a 4th flush? [Re: jbbishop]
    #14590713 - 06/10/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"There is evidence which suggests the fastest cubensis races produce the smallest shrooms and the slower races and varieties produce the most bulky fungus."

This suggests that the Z strain will produce a bunch of small mushrooms.  Can you recommend a better choice for multispore inoculation?


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