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P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help
    #14541779 - 05/31/11 07:25 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Everyone.

I've done two batches of P. Cube "Cambodian" now and have gotten small fruit on both batches so far.  they are all .25 to 1 inch tall and maybe .25 to 1 inch in diameter for the caps.  Multispore to WBS.  WBS to WBS via grain to grain.

After doing a few hours of search I have come to 3 possible problems.
1. My coir/verm substrate is too dry.
2. Substrate Depth
3. Lighting

Here is the history so far:
1st Batch
two 27 quart mono tubs.  WBS > Coir-Verm (Damion's5050 coir tek)
Each tub had 1:2 ratio of WBS to the Coir Bulk Sub.  The substrate height was 2.5 to 3 inches.
- Ambient temp was 74-84 the whole 4 weeks it was fruiting.
- RH in room is 30-40%
- Lighting is a 4ft floro workshop light with 2 bulbs.  6500k color temp bulbs. Hanging 12" above the two tubs.
- I would mist (till the smallest pool formed) and fan 2x a day.  Pools of water would always be gone by the next misting/fanning.


2nd Batch
two 27 quart mono tubs.  WBS > Coir-Verm (same tek but used 5quarts of water instead of 4.)
Each tub had 1:2 ratio of WBS to the Coir Bulk Sub.  The substrate height was 4-4.5 inches.
- Ambient temp was 74-84 the whole 4 weeks it was fruiting.
- RH in room is 30-40%
- Lighting is a 4ft floro workshop light with 2 bulbs.  6500k color temp bulbs. Hanging 12" above the two tubs.
- I would mist (till the smallest pool formed) and fan 2x a day.  Pools of water would always be gone by the next misting/fanning.



Both times, the results were the same.  Hundreds of Pins and fruits.  But all the fruits were really small.  Any ideas on what is going on?


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14541826 - 05/31/11 07:39 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Substrate depth doesn't matter however the moisture content does,you can get large fruits from thin substrate as long as the moisture content is adequate.The reason thicker substrates work better is because the can hold more moisture content.

So its either your subtrate moisture content or not enough FEA or a combination of the two.I think your lighting is fine,or it could just be down to MS


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14584818 - 06/09/11 12:52 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone else have any ideas?  I'm running out.

The substrate could be dry, but during my first batch I tried dunking one of the monos for 24hrs and put it back into fruiting conditions.  Results were the same small mushrooms.

This 2nd and 3rd batch have the 5quarts of water for 1 brick or coir which to my understanding is the absolute maximum following D5050's elementary coir tek.

It could be FAE, but I have my doubts on that.  They are currently in my computer room which is 15ft x 12ft with a small fan moving air indirectly around the tubs. Both are misted and fanned 2x a day. 
Batch #2 has 2 Mini Monos with eight 1.5" holes.  1 has polyfil and 1 has tyvek. 
Batch #3 is a 67qt Mono with 8 1.5" holes stuffed with polyfil.


RH in the room is 30-40%  and inside the tub is 74-80% (however this is based on a digital reader.)  I have an analog one but I swear its a piece of shit.  I tried the wet towel and it never got higher the 70%.


I thought it might be the strain, but I have 2 quart jars that contain an isolate.  I used them to make GLC, and decided to leave them be after I took out the GLC.  They have fruit'd invitro and the fruits inside there are 1"-3" long with small caps (due to VERY minimal FAE.)
The only differences I can think of for the two environments are:

1. RH  (the quart jars definitely hold more RH.)
2. FAE / CO2.  It is my understanding that when there is higher levels of CO2 and not enough FAE you will always get tall fruits with small underdeveloped caps.  (could I somehow manipulate my monos to get taller fruits?)
3. Moisture of Substrate.  In theory the Mono's should have ALOT more moisture and produce larger fruits vs the Jars which only have WBS.  So I think this is an unlikely factor.

I picked up an ultrasonic humidifier, and put it in the same corner of the room as the tubs, and the ambient is now 50-60%.  This has only been 24hrs, so I won't see any change in results if any for at least another week.


Ideas anyone?  Should I try a different Strain?


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14584857 - 06/09/11 12:59 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

if you post a picture of the whole setup i think we could figure it out faster than reading that wall of text.


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: k00laid]
    #14585502 - 06/09/11 03:14 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Pictures with all that imformation,which I thought was well thought out will definately gives us something better to go on


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14585797 - 06/09/11 04:15 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Where was your MS from?
Was it a Cam #7 per chance?
I had some issues with that particular race recently.
Throwing that out there for what it's worth.
I was losing sleep over my semi-failed efforts as well so I feel your pain :smile:


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: ely2121]
    #14586160 - 06/09/11 05:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

man ur over complicating the whole process. U need good watering when the pins start to develope since mushrooms are about 90% water. Cambodians are usually small the first flush thats why theirs so many of the damn things. Substrate depth dont really matter at all as long as it has enough watter to get the job done. Ive grown shrooms 10 inches tall on a foam disposable plate half inch thickness sub(second and third flush never first) so long as theirs enough room for them to grow up. humidity moniters are a wast of money just keep the sub in a closed anything with some small holes and it will be fine. make sure their is a couple hours of light a day, even a closet with the door open will do. And if all u get is a shit load of tiny ones it adds up quick and the small ones are usually stronger. Remember no one is controlling the conditions in the wild where they normally grow but they do great, u can find monsters in the wild, Just keep it simple and dont worry too much so long as their growing.


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: the astronaut]
    #14586256 - 06/09/11 05:42 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Is your substrate pulling away from the walls?


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14587852 - 06/09/11 11:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Here are the pictures.  *Sorry in advance.  Way too lazy to setup proper lighting. 

@Savage - The substrate has pulled away from the walls.  Its definitely noticeable, but not as much as the 1st batch I ran.


*This is where the tubs sit.


*This is Batch #3 - 64 Quart mono with polyfil


*Batch #3 - 64 Quart Mono with penny for size reference.


*Batch #2 - 27 Quart Mini Mono "Polyfil"


*Batch #2 - 27 Quart Mini Mono "Polyfil"


*Batch #2 - 27 Quart Mini Mono "Tyvek"


*Batch #2 - 27 Quart Mini Mono "Tyvek"


*Jar #1 - Isolate that has gone invitro


*Jar #2 - Isolate that has gone invitro


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: m_jacobs]
    #14588135 - 06/10/11 12:32 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

My two cents says genetics


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: babz89]
    #14588474 - 06/10/11 02:00 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

If every mushroom is doing this and this is multispore then I dont think its genetics.
i would mist and fan more often. Try 3x a day. Before bed or going to work I would mist a little extra heavy.
turn the fan off and leave the door to the room open. I would also take off all the tyvek and polyfil as well.
just my opinion


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14588495 - 06/10/11 02:07 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

are you misting at all? @ op


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: k00laid]
    #14588770 - 06/10/11 04:01 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms love fresh air for fruiting, not filtered. the 2 jars of mushrooms are classic examples of not having enough fresh air. I don't have any experience with monotubs, so someone else can say if you should have filtered/unfiltered.

A large mushroms are going to soak up tons of water. That substrate looks pretty dry. If you haven't soaked it, you definitely should. It shouldn't be too late if you haven't soaked it, but some of those stalled pins may abort. As soon as you do, the mushrooms will swell up. Pour in a quart of water and see if that helps. You should see a difference within 24 hours.

This is some recommended reading for you.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=14508610&page=0&vc=1


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: maug]
    #14589438 - 06/10/11 10:34 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Damn it looks like a thousand shrooms in there, like maug said give it a good amount of water cause their gonna need it if their gonna grow up and some fresh air allways helps.


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Re: P. Cube "Cambodian" producing small fruit. Need help [Re: ely2121]
    #14589537 - 06/10/11 11:01 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ely2121 said:
Where was your MS from?
Was it a Cam #7 per chance?





This MS is from a Sponser site, and is not#7. 

Looks like the general consensus is to dunk and mist more..
Looks like one of the tubs gets a bath tonight.


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