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DeadHearts
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14589588 - 06/10/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: Would have to agree there but still ain't no help to remove the politicians and replace them with more who will probably be the same. Maybe if you guys can get Ron Paul in but if he ever made it that far you already know the military / finance / intelligence boys who really pull the strings will have him popped for imposing on them.
aside from the conspiratorial rant I'll address the remainder of the statement
the president is like a neutered poodle, it doesnt matter if we get ron paul or jimmy hoffa in office, congress approves budgets, congress votes on the bills, all the president does is slap his john hancock on a piece of paper and it become law. our voting power is with congress, if we vote out the incumbents and have 500 freshmen congressional reps then it'll be a little easier for the people to influence that decision making in DC
But like you and I both said. Its the people. How can the people finally see the situation for what it is? Or even make them care? What pisses me off is that its not the people's fault for the most part. Lets face it. So many have family's and career's and have little time to look around and find real information. So they just buy into the the government whispers through MSM.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: DeadHearts]
#14589601 - 06/10/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you receive the email about your long lost uncle in africa who has died and left you $37 million in the Zambizi Nation Bank but they need your account number to deliver the money to you and you get taken by this scam, is it not YOUR fault that you've been had
there are no excuses for being taken in by a slick talking snake oil salesman, people have friends, people can discuss the issues in addition to looking into these candidate. if you buy into the shuck & jive while the people around you are pointing out the problems, it's not the 'government controlled media' that is to blame, it's your own ignorance and willful disregard for due diligence
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DeadHearts
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14589629 - 06/10/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: if you receive the email about your long lost uncle in africa who has died and left you $37 million in the Zambizi Nation Bank but they need your account number to deliver the money to you and you get taken by this scam, is it not YOUR fault that you've been had
there are no excuses for being taken in by a slick talking snake oil salesman, people have friends, people can discuss the issues in addition to looking into these candidate. if you buy into the shuck & jive while the people around you are pointing out the problems, it's not the 'government controlled media' that is to blame, it's your own ignorance and willful disregard for due diligence
I mean I agree with you. But people just do not care. Maybe I can talk with one other person I know of about this kind of thing in which they understand and thats the extent of it and I know a lot of folk out there.
You start talking about certain issues and there is just no understanding. Look at the video of the women you posted. You know how many idiots we have running around out there like her?? Sure you do. Im just never very optimistic about our own people working to get rid of congress members. For obvious reasons.
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: nice1]
#14589769 - 06/10/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sorry i'm just going to bed now, but will digest the rest of the thread and reply in detail tomorow.
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nice1
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14590339 - 06/10/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What makes you think they don't have congress by the balls?
Its just another group of people accepting information from their top people? If they need financial info they talk to the representative of the fed or war info the rep of the military.
They are just humans - easily persuaded, pressured, corrupted by the oligarchies.
Wheres that change Obama talked about? Didn't happen. Or is congress responsible for the military action and financial economic situation? I don't think so mate.
If congress was not corrupted/controlled then why would they have not already have issued an audit of the fed reserve? They just happy to watch the US economy implode?
Or asked Obama about that change that was supposed to happen
As I keep saying - the proof is in the pudding. Its what comes after - the actions, the results (the system analysis of actual structural hierarchy) - NOT what they tell you it should be
When it comes down to it and you guys pull your guns - take out the bankers - get the military boys on YOUR side and then take out the president & congress because you need to find the root of where the power lies to regain control and go back to what the US was founded on. Sound principals. Such a shame it was corrupted.
Thats my opinion but then what would I know? - I'm a Brit... Its just I live under the same situation with a slightly different mask.
I love how you label any POV other than the media mainstream & more specifically YOUR OWN agenda - as a conspiracy tinfoiler. Gives you a nice little box to stick all the stuff you don't bother to learn about in
Edited by nice1 (06/10/11 01:05 PM)
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: nice1]
#14592007 - 06/10/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: We need laws on waste management and "disposable" goods. Goods need to be manufactured with economy in mind.
Indeed, for example here if you are an agriculturist and have excess goods you can no longer donate them because they have raised the tax in donations so much it's not profitable It shouldn't be profitable in the first place because it's a donation but at least you could give excess food without paying for it.
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nice1 said: Everyone moans about communism but when did we ever try it? The only communism we (humans) ever tried was actually dictatorships. I don't know much about that system though and I'm not advocating it either - just saying the true concept was never tried.
Yes, communism was never put in practice in history, but don't the failed tries of communism probably show us that humans in general aren't capable of practicing it?
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: pouihi]
#14594273 - 06/11/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pouihi said: Indeed, for example here if you are an agriculturist and have excess goods you can no longer donate them because they have raised the tax in donations so much it's not profitable It shouldn't be profitable in the first place because it's a donation but at least you could give excess food without paying for it.
Tyranny and stupidity.
Its scary isn't it. 1 man is not allowed to put a safe drug in his body but a massive business can rape mother earth and just pay a backhander or "fine" lol and carry on
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Shins
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: nice1]
#14594293 - 06/11/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Knowledge is power.
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nice1
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: Shins]
#14594706 - 06/11/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh definately Yeah its completely underestimated the role it has played in every culture.
Thats why the military is keeping their space program a secret simply because it holds all the power IMO. He who dominates space, controls earth.
I have to laugh at NASA and its fireworks rockets. The technology is soooo old and clearly a public front space program.
As Ben Rich stated "we can take ET home but it would take an act of God to get the information declassified". I'm looking forward to when they start rolling out the craft. The insiders have been saying that its the final card on the totalitarian agenda. The final threat, when people realise terrorism is just a scare tactic to keep people under control and accepting of the agenda, then they will bring out the faked alien invasion to put us back in our place
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: nice1]
#14594767 - 06/11/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: My opinion...
Pretty much all problems in our society are caused by 1) Greed 2) Control 3) Resulting inequality basically human nature.
Best solution I've come up with for us: Evolution out of human monky desires out of greed and control & into empathic understanding of others.
Best solution for Earth: We all die of our own doing as we are going full steam into right now with as our established system is set to cause our own extinction.
qft.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: nice1]
#14595058 - 06/11/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: What makes you think they don't have congress by the balls?
If congress was not corrupted/controlled then why would they have not already have issued an audit of the fed reserve? They just happy to watch the US economy implode?
who is 'they' and who's claimed congress is not corrupt, that's why I've stated time and again to vote out the incumbents
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Re: Government is not the solution to our problem... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14595064 - 06/11/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The oligarchies. Financial / military and intelligence power brokers.
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