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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598287 - 06/11/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I would never take that job for 430 times what I make.  They are fools for doing it.  I would rather have them subsidize my life than work my ass off and subsidize other's life.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: BothHands]
    #14598364 - 06/11/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm assuming that's the collective "you."  If not, explain to me why I'm solely responsible for the monopolies on things that are becoming more and more essential to live in this day and age.  If it's the former, then you probably should have used "we," as you're using electricity to power your computer like the rest of us.




What are you talking about? I did not mean you as a collective, I meant it how I said it, YOU have a choice as to where to spend the money the feds let you keep.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598379 - 06/11/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You nor anyone else has a right to take a single cent from any other human, you are not taking there money but there life. You have no right to make a claim on there life for your own benefit. The "elite" rich are rich and you are not, get over it. You are an elite rich person compared to the right demographic. So should we take 55% of everything you have and give it to a village in Kazakhstan?





It's the free market, bro. It can do anything it wants.

You think I want to pay my landlord $500/mo?

I don't. But you know what? If I don't like it I can GTFO.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn] * 1
    #14598402 - 06/11/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I cant even understand why the poor dislike the rich. If anything you'd think they would like them and butter them up to try to get into their wallets with whatever goods and services they are peddling to try to get enough money to get rich.
How much money someone else has is no business of anyone else and should not effect them in any way.

As for the tax thing no one should be taxed, period. If people are to be taxed it should be the same percentage for everyone.





Because a 30% tax on an income of $22,350 (the official "poverty level" cutoff) leaves a person with ~$15,000 net income for a year is somehow comparable to somebody making $10,000,000 a year, where after taxes they net $7,000,000 a year is somehow fair, right?  Flat taxes don't work, don't even think for a second the ever would.

The rich are getting richer on a broken ass system (the stock market), while the poor are excluded because they don't have the funds to ever get into the system.  The conservatives in our government today somehow think that tossing a bigger tax break to the rich, while freezing government employee salaries, and making them pay more for health benefits (a LOT of middle class workers work for the government), is somehow going to fix this situation.

Please tell me how it is not the responsibility of these ultra wealthy to somehow pay back the people, that were admitted in the OP, that got them to where they are?  You give somebody a boost to get out of a burning building, and they turn their backs and save themselves before reaching down and helping you up.  Thats not socialism, thats humanism.

Nobody is looking at millionaires and expecting them to give them half their wealth, but I don't quite think it is too much to ask that these people stop shipping jobs overseas because they would rather pay a little Asian kid a dollar a day than you the (STILL ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC) minimum wage in America.  You seem to be turning a blind eye to the problem, and if I had to guess, I would say that you come from a well-off situation where you never had to go hungry as a child because your parents could barely afford to keep the roof over your head.




Do you like being able to buy a 50 plasma for $600? If so then you are the reason they ship jobs overseas, not because they want to fuck you, but because they want to continue providiing you goods. Also if you think the minimum wage should go up then you should think about the implications of that. Would you rather people be out of a job rather than make 7 something anh hour?


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14598422 - 06/11/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How many of these programs were needed before all the jobs got shipped overseas?  If there were no "handouts," we would see a revolt. 

Even if you were paying $1500 a month for all living expenses, if you are over that amount of income, you are still able to live with at least some sort of comfort, knowing that you have a steady paycheck.  The guy who for 25 years saved up for retirement, was laid off, and now has nothing to show for it except for a bank account reaching 0 deserves a fucking handout if you ask me.

Republicans promised jobs in the 2010 elections, but we still have unemployment rates at over 9%.  The private sector is not doing their job, which puts the burden on the "big bad government"




Umm none of them are needed, they are only wanted by people who like getting something for nothing. And no he does not deserve anything maybe he should have saved and planned on taking care of himself.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14598447 - 06/11/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The 30% tax is bullshit at any level. Everyone should be taxed at about .1%....if you're ultra wealthy .1% is still a huge chunk of change. If you are poor it is barely nothing.

I DO NOT think the poor should be taxed like the rich. I think the rich should be taxed like the poor.

I only make a hair over the official poverty level and I still dont understand the hatred for the rich or why the rich should be taxed an absurdly high percentage.

The government needs to cut both taxing and spending on outdated handout programs. People should be left to their own devices. Poverty is a great motivator for self improvement. I'll give someone the shirt off my back or a meal but Ill never give a bum my money, no matter how poor or rich I am. I was homeless once and I can still say that.




Oh one more thing... So we hypothetically cut all taxes to .1%.  Poof, there goes the roads we drive on every day, poof, there goes elementary education, food quality standards, etc.  Any private companies gonna take up that work? NOPE .. And there goes the reason people are proud to be an American.  Shouldn't take long before we're a 3rd world country.




I am going to have to call bullshit on that. If the feds relinquished control of education, the roads, and abolished the FDA then some entrepreneurs would step in and provide those services for others for a price. They would not only be better quality products but they would be cheaper due to competition, historically private corporations do a much better job than any government.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598538 - 06/11/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes they do deserve 430 times more than an average worker, because they are not average. If you do not want to be an average worker then you can change it, get an education or learn a more skilled trade.





You keep digging a hole for yourself.  This statement is completely false.  Getting a good education no longer puts you above average people, because everybody realizes that it is important for success.  Learning a skilled trade is exactly the same.  How many people do you see now who have the capacity to get a good education that don't?  And of those, how many people decide to not learn any sort of trade?  You're left with a very, very small percentage of what it used to be like.

You act like you're wealthy, but I feel as though you are nothing but a troll.  Nobody can possibly actually believe what you are saying, can they?


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598585 - 06/11/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you like being able to buy a 50 plasma for $600? If so then you are the reason they ship jobs overseas, not because they want to fuck you, but because they want to continue providiing you goods. Also if you think the minimum wage should go up then you should think about the implications of that. Would you rather people be out of a job rather than make 7 something anh hour?




If I ever had $600 I could spend on an item like a television, I'm sure I would like the opportunity.  If I ever had $600, period, this could be a more realistic conversation.  I'm not old, and I don't expect to be broke forever (because of the education I am currently receiving -- subsidized by the United States government btw).

Implications of raising minimum wage would sure be devestating for the 81% increase in profit that fortune 500 companies that employ the vast majority of private sector jobs in America now, wouldn't it?  We had better get them more tax cuts ASAP otherwise they'll all go out of business.  What a fucking crock of SHIT.

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I am going to have to call bullshit on that. If the feds relinquished control of education, the roads, and abolished the FDA then some entrepreneurs would step in and provide those services for others for a price. They would not only be better quality products but they would be cheaper due to competition, historically private corporations do a much better job than any government.




These companies won't even hire Americans to do their jobs now.  Imagine if a private company were to take over ANY of those things.  Outsource anything they could, and provide the lowest wage possible for anybody in America working.  Would they even hire legal workers, or hire illegals and pay them less than minimum wage like they do now?


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598702 - 06/11/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I am going to have to call bullshit on that. If the feds relinquished control of education, the roads, and abolished the FDA then some entrepreneurs would step in and provide those services for others for a price. They would not only be better quality products but they would be cheaper due to competition, historically private corporations do a much better job than any government.



Yay!  Private schools that only the rich can afford to send their kids to (private schools already exist, by the way).  Roads that only the rich can drive on.  And a private FDA organization that would make money by accepting bribes from rich corporations (since Government is no longer there to stop this).

That's my kind of country!  I'm voting Tea Party!!!


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14598755 - 06/12/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, I am not sure where to begin, I am surprised by the lack of thought that goes into some of these responses. Yes I know private schools exist, I also know that the FDA has a very poor track record. What makes a company succeed? Oh that is right PROFITS! If you do not buy there product they cannot continue producing products, the government does not stop anyone from ripping people off, they prosecute after the fact and collect money form fines that do not help those who are affected. Look at the Purdue Pharma case, they fined them hundreds of millions for improper marketing ads for Oxycontin but gave not a dime to people affected by it. They allow Purdue to continue making, and selling Oxycontin. because they paid the fine. Way to save people from the big bad corporations!

And Shroomery John, really you do not have or have never had $600 to spend? Maybe you should get a JOB!


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598767 - 06/12/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

By the way I do not vote for anyone, as of now voting for a particular person in our current form of government is like voting for what type of poison you will be killed with, quick and efficient or slow and painful.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598901 - 06/12/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly I read the first and last page of this thread. Im tired and don't want to write a lengthy response but I do have one thing to say:

Pileussonofgalt learn the fucking difference between there, they're, and their. Reading your posts can be torture, and the worst part is that you seem like an intelligent individual.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14598945 - 06/12/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, I am not sure where to begin, I am surprised by the lack of thought that goes into some of these responses. Yes I know private schools exist, I also know that the FDA has a very poor track record. What makes a company succeed? Oh that is right PROFITS! If you do not buy there product they cannot continue producing pr oducts, the government does not stop anyone from ripping people off, they prosecute after the fact and collect money form fines that do not help those who are affected. Look at the Purdue Pharma case, they fined them hundreds of millions for improper marketing ads for Oxycontin but gave not a dime to people affected by it. They allow Purdue to continue making, and selling Oxycontin. because they paid the fine. Way to save people from the big bad corporations!

And Shroomery John, really you do not have or have never had $600 to spend? Maybe you should get a JOB!




I've worked since I was old enough to legally do so.  You have some serious balls to try to insinuate that I haven't.  Of course I've had $600 to spend, back when I didn't pay any living expenses while I was under the age of 18 at my parents house.  You try living making anywhere from $7.50-8.50/hr (gotta love minimum wage!), because nobody will give you a chance to make any sort of real money without experience (where exactly does this experience come from if you are never given an opportunity?).  Ha, how do you expect somebody to get an education, while they are working so much that they have barely any time to put into such an education because of the fact that the minimum wage in this country is un-livable?  Even if I were able to work 40 hours a week and pursue the educational goals that I currently am, I still would be broke as shit.

But hey, I guess I am currently unemployed after my last employer decided to fire his entire staff instead of giving us raises.  Gotta love private sector!

Oh and what about all those companies called NON-PROFIT organizations that seem to do pretty well?  It isn't all about profits, it is only about profit in your greedy mind.

I also fail to see how anything about Oxy is in any way relevant.  The company was fined hundreds of dollars, yet still was somehow able to keep going... How?  The fact that they have a patent on a drug that private health insurance companies know people want and they charge an absolute premium rate to get them.  Once again, the disadvantaged are the ones being taken advantage of in the name of "profit."


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By the way I do not vote for anyone, as of now voting for a particular person in our current form of government is like voting for what type of poison you will be killed with, quick and efficient or slow and painful.




Oh, you don't vote... I would have never guessed  :laugh2: .  I'm literally laughing my ASS OFF right now.  Seriously.  I NEVER will even consider your posts from here on out to have any sort of merit, when you can't even get off your ass and perform your civil duty of voting.  Or is making you vote stealing from the rich too?  :blowme:


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: halo]
    #14599203 - 06/12/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Halo I agree, I should not be leaving it up to spell check to be my editor, I should be doing it myself. I did not think that I would get so many responses, trying to keep up with them has caused me lower my standards for proper grammar and editing. The copy of Eats, Shoots and Leaves I have is probably cringing as I type.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14599237 - 06/12/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You could get a job if you wanted one, maybe not making much, but no job is a bad job. If you go home with more money than you started with you are have a good job.

I worked my ass off to pay for my degree, when I realized it had nothing to do with what I wanted to do for a living I went to work in a kitchen for free until I could prove myself and be put on payroll. Yes you may be broke now doing so, but it will pay off in the long term.

What non profits are you talking about? I know of none that can continue without making profits or relying on others for donations.

The oxy comment was for those who think the FDA is there to protect us. Purdue is a good example because insurance companies do not prescribe medication, doctors do. The FDA has not prevented anyone form prescribing it, they only fined Purdue and took the money for something other than helping those affected by misinformation.

So if I have a vote that on one hand says you die by stoning and the other you die by drowning, will you vote?


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14599332 - 06/12/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
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"Mr. Rearden, the law which you are denouncing is based on the highest principle - the principle of public good." Who is the public? What does it hold as its good? There was a time when men believed that 'the good' was a concept to be defined by a code of moral values and that no man had the right to seek his good through the violation of the rights of another. If it is now believed that my fellow men may sacrifice me in any manner they please for the sake of whatever they deem to be their own good, if they believe that they may seize my property simply because they need it - well, so does any burglar. There is only this difference: the burglar does not ask me to sanction his act.
(Hank Rearden, Atlas Shrugged)

"Are we to understand," asked the judge, "that you hold your own interests above the interests of the public?" I hold that such a question can never arise except in a society of cannibals... I hold that there is no clash of interests among men who do not demand the unearned and do not practice human sacrifices. "Are we to understand that if the public deems it necessary to curtail your profits, you do not recognize its right to do so?" Why, yes, I do. The public may curtail my profits any time it wishes - by refusing to buy my product.
(Hank Rearden, Atlas Shrugged)

Just as I support my life, neither by robbery nor alms, but by my own effort, so I do not seek to derive my happiness from the injury or the favors of others, but earn it by my own achievement. Just as I do not consider the pleasure of others as the goal of my life, so I do not consider my pleasure as the goal of the lives of others. Just as there are no contradictions in my values and no conflicts among my desires - so there are no victims and no conflicts of interest among rational men, men who do not desire the unearned and do not view one another with a cannibal's lust, men who neither make sacrifice nor accept them.
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The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man's rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man's self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate the morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man's deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense.
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The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it.
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The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide -- as, I think, he will. Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips, and guns -- or dollars. Take your choice -- there is no other -- and your time is running out.

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“Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a building inspector than to meet his standards of construction. A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the operator would have had to spend a number of years in reputable dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory.”
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #14600353 - 06/12/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Because a 30% tax on an income of $22,350 (the official "poverty level" cutoff) leaves a person with ~$15,000 net income for a year is somehow comparable to somebody making $10,000,000 a year, where after taxes they net $7,000,000 a year is somehow fair, right? 



Tell me why that isn't fair.  Are the rich people doing a job that is easier?  So their tax rate should be higher?  If you drive past a corporate HQ late at night, its not the toyota Camry's hanging around at the back of the lot.  Its hte Lexus in the front spot that's still there.






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The rich are getting richer on a broken ass system (the stock market), while the poor are excluded because they don't have the funds to ever get into the system. 



If I recall correctly, people with SAVINGS take their SAVINGS and give it to COMPANIES who desire to use those savings to grow their business.  In return, those businesses pay dividends.  As the quality of the business beint loaned money to improves or declines, the value of that piece of stock rises or falls.  The individual who made the loan can sell their "stock" at any point in time, taking the gain or loss, and paying their due CAPITAL GAINS TAX to the government (which gets redistributed).

Should everyone get free money so we can all play in the stockmarket?  You do relaize the people playing this "broken system" are playing with the risk of LOSING ALL THEIR MONEY, right?  The stock market isn't guarenteed wins.  Anyone can play the market.  anyone with savings they need something to do with.  Thats the only criteria.





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Nobody is looking at millionaires and expecting them to give them half their wealth, but I don't quite think it is too much to ask that these people stop shipping jobs overseas because they would rather pay a little Asian kid a dollar a day than you the (STILL ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC) minimum wage in America.



I'm not sure if you're blinded by emotion or actually ignorant regarding business practices, but let me lay out what happens for you:

-Consumers demand the lowest price.  Period.  Given teh same quality, consumer chooses cheaper.
-Since consumer chooses cheaper, input costs are important
-US has high labor costs and benefits requirements, which would necessitate higher product cost
-Since product cost would be higher, business would lose sales
-lost sales means no jobs


So unless everything you buy comes from America, please be quiet -- because you support outsourcing of jobs too, every time you buy the cheapest thing on the shelf.  Check your labels.  Go to your pantry right now.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14600716 - 06/12/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Yay!  Private schools that only the rich can afford to send their kids to (private schools already exist, by the way).  Roads that only the rich can drive on.  And a private FDA organization that would make money by accepting bribes from rich corporations (since Government is no longer there to stop this).

That's my kind of country!  I'm voting Tea Party!!!




Wow, I am not sure where to begin, I am surprised by the lack of thought that goes into some of these responses. Yes I know private schools exist, I also know that the FDA has a very poor track record. ...the government does not stop anyone from ripping people off, they prosecute after the fact and collect money form fines that do not help those who are affected. Look at the Purdue Pharma case, they fined them hundreds of millions for improper marketing ads for Oxycontin but gave not a dime to people affected by it. They allow Purdue to continue making, and selling Oxycontin. because they paid the fine. Way to save people from the big bad corporations!



PileusSonofGalt, if the Government makes burglary illegal, do you think that will stop burglary from happening?  You really should put some thought into your posts before you claim others are lacking thought.  :shake:

A $600 million fine will make the next corporation think twice before misleading and defrauding physicians and consumers.  And at least they paid for their crime.


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: memes]
    #14600872 - 06/12/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Tell me why that isn't fair.  Are the rich people doing a job that is easier?  So their tax rate should be higher?  If you drive past a corporate HQ late at night, its not the toyota Camry's hanging around at the back of the lot.  Its hte Lexus in the front spot that's still there.



Meams, if you want to argue that people should be taxed less for working harder, I'll support your argument.  But I can tell you with certainty you're incorrect about who's in the corporate parking lot after hours - because I'm generally one of those guys.  Just because I drive a Lexus doesn't mean I'm a CEO.

Asking why a progressive tax system is fair shows ignorance on your part - there is so much information on this I don't even know where to begin.  Shall I post some links or can you do the research yourself?

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meams said:
The individual who made the loan can sell their "stock" at any point in time, taking the gain or loss, and paying their due CAPITAL GAINS TAX to the government (which gets redistributed).



The rich make proportionally a lot more in gains taxes than everyone else.  It's "unearned money" (you don't have to actually work to make gains taxes), so it used to be taxed more than earned income.  Of course, the rich not only changed that, but made capital gains taxes less than income tax.  This has to change if you're genuinely interested in "fairness".


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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #14600880 - 06/12/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Just because I drive a Lexus doesn't mean I'm a CEO.




No, but it does mean you are rich and make more money than most people dream of making.  And you probably work harder too.


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