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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
#14611818 - 06/14/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I knew it. 
Was there ever any doubt?
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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closed veil said: yes. it's an example of how logic often does not work in the real world.
No it isn't. It's an example of something that might appear at first glance (to an idiot) to be logic, but is actually not logic.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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closed veil said: here is a great example of logic right from my text book for the class all those years ago: [paraphrasing again, i don't have the book anymore but sure remember this] polls show that madonna is the most famous american, amongst another americans. (the book is from the 80's) therefor madonna will be the next president of the USA.
That sounds like it was an example of flawed logic. 
yes. it's an example of how logic often does not work in the real world.
It isn't logic.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: zappaisgod]
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did any of u take a logic course in college? the exp. was right out of my text book. idk why i even bother, none of u have a realist view of the world. nothing i post will change this.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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I have very little doubt it was in your textbook. As an example of illogic. Maybe you should have read it more closely. Also non sequitur. Did you pass?
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14612586 - 06/14/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm probably just gonna leave after I say this: if we weren't 14trillion dollars in dollars in debt I'd agree with some of what of prison Zappa and liarsonofgilt are saying. Nobody has asked me what any other pa of my economic beliefs are because were only talking by taxes here. We need to be making HUGE CUTS in government programs I agree. I don't think that this should be at the cost of of education or the sick or the unintelligent (some people are just born stupid). If your sick, you shouldn't have to not go to a doctor and possibly die from something serious(sounds like the 1500s )that could have been treated by a seriously overpriced pill while the people making that pill are getting filthy fucking rich. Bernie Sanders is on the same page as I am. So much money would be saved. I wonder what our defense budget would be if we split it in two and called one group offense and one group defense.... then cut the one that doesn't make sense... you need to bring jobs back to America, we need to have people making money. You can't just cut cut cut and expect to get anywhere if you then choose to cut taxes. That's like trying to save money on the electric bill by heating your house with your oven instead of your heating system. Or trying to save money by keeping your lights off more, but tlrefuse to switch to cfl bulbs. Taxes need to be raised on the absolutely only people that can afford it. I might not agree with it in principle but its the only chance to get out of such a huge hole. You don't think that wouldn't go down as some of the most American shit that's ever gone down in history? It can get worse though and the only way that's going to happen is if we keep spending. 14 trillion dollars is not going away by simply cutting, and even keeping taxes the same. Off topic... but if anybody is fooled by pawlently please look at how he "solved" Minnesota's budget with his "no new taxes" pledge. We need to raise income from every possible outlet that will serve the most good for the most amount of people. There are ways to write tax codes that would keep small business in business, keep families in their houses, and the needlessly sick from suffering(I don't have the skill because probably some attack on my precieved intelligence would be coming after saying this). Its not one person at the top getting rich, if it were we wouldn't be in this situation, its a bunch of jealous guys right under them that wants what he has so they rig it up so they get a slice and so on until they're just not quite important enough to get in that bubble. An exclusion of those they used to used to be. These are the guys running the shots in the "conservative party" and I put that in quotes because they are just as radical as the liberals. There is no logic in either side which is why I consider myself about as fiscally moderate as it gets
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14612669 - 06/14/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: I'm probably just gonna leave after I say this: if we weren't 14trillion dollars in dollars in debt I'd agree with some of what of prison Zappa and liarsonofgilt are saying. Nobody has asked me what any other pa of my economic beliefs are because were only talking by taxes here. We need to be making HUGE CUTS in government programs I agree. I don't think that this should be at the cost of of education or the sick or the unintelligent (some people are just born stupid). If your sick, you shouldn't have to not go to a doctor and possibly die from something serious(sounds like the 1500s )that could have been treated by a seriously overpriced pill while the people making that pill are getting filthy fucking rich. Bernie Sanders is on the same page as I am. So much money would be saved. I wonder what our defense budget would be if we split it in two and called one group offense and one group defense.... then cut the one that doesn't make sense... you need to bring jobs back to America, we need to have people making money. You can't just cut cut cut and expect to get anywhere if you then choose to cut taxes. That's like trying to save money on the electric bill by heating your house with your oven instead of your heating system. Or trying to save money by keeping your lights off more, but tlrefuse to switch to cfl bulbs. Taxes need to be raised on the absolutely only people that can afford it. I might not agree with it in principle but its the only chance to get out of such a huge hole. You don't think that wouldn't go down as some of the most American shit that's ever gone down in history? It can get worse though and the only way that's going to happen is if we keep spending. 14 trillion dollars is not going away by simply cutting, and even keeping taxes the same. Off topic... but if anybody is fooled by pawlently please look at how he "solved" Minnesota's budget with his "no new taxes" pledge. We need to raise income from every possible outlet that will serve the most good for the most amount of people. There are ways to write tax codes that would keep small business in business, keep families in their houses, and the needlessly sick from suffering(I don't have the skill because probably some attack on my precieved intelligence would be coming after saying this). Its not one person at the top getting rich, if it were we wouldn't be in this situation, its a bunch of jealous guys right under them that wants what he has so they rig it up so they get a slice and so on until they're just not quite important enough to get in that bubble. An exclusion of those they used to used to be. These are the guys running the shots in the "conservative party" and I put that in quotes because they are just as radical as the liberals. There is no logic in either side which is why I consider myself about as fiscally moderate as it gets
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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closed veil said: here is a great example of logic right from my text book for the class all those years ago: [paraphrasing again, i don't have the book anymore but sure remember this] polls show that madonna is the most famous american, amongst another americans. (the book is from the 80's) therefor madonna will be the next president of the USA.
That sounds like it was an example of flawed logic. 
yes. it's an example of how logic often does not work in the real world.
Being the most popular person does not make you the next president, no reasoning will support this argument. Did your book also say that because she was the most popular that the constitution would be amended so that she could be president and not over thirty five?
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
#14612724 - 06/14/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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closed veil said: did any of u take a logic course in college? the exp. was right out of my text book. idk why i even bother, none of u have a realist view of the world. nothing i post will change this.
Just because a book is published does not make it true, I am sure I could find a book that tells you to let your jars colonize at 85 degrees for optimal growth, yet we know this is not true. Just in case you do not know what logic is let me quote the Oxford dictionary
Logic :reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity:
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14612770 - 06/14/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: I'm probably just gonna leave after I say this: if we weren't 14trillion dollars in dollars in debt I'd agree with some of what of prison Zappa and liarsonofgilt are saying. Nobody has asked me what any other pa of my economic beliefs are because were only talking by taxes here. We need to be making HUGE CUTS in government programs I agree. I don't think that this should be at the cost of of education or the sick or the unintelligent (some people are just born stupid). If your sick, you shouldn't have to not go to a doctor and possibly die from something serious(sounds like the 1500s )that could have been treated by a seriously overpriced pill while the people making that pill are getting filthy fucking rich. Bernie Sanders is on the same page as I am. So much money would be saved. I wonder what our defense budget would be if we split it in two and called one group offense and one group defense.... then cut the one that doesn't make sense... you need to bring jobs back to America, we need to have people making money. You can't just cut cut cut and expect to get anywhere if you then choose to cut taxes. That's like trying to save money on the electric bill by heating your house with your oven instead of your heating system. Or trying to save money by keeping your lights off more, but tlrefuse to switch to cfl bulbs. Taxes need to be raised on the absolutely only people that can afford it. I might not agree with it in principle but its the only chance to get out of such a huge hole. You don't think that wouldn't go down as some of the most American shit that's ever gone down in history? It can get worse though and the only way that's going to happen is if we keep spending. 14 trillion dollars is not going away by simply cutting, and even keeping taxes the same. Off topic... but if anybody is fooled by pawlently please look at how he "solved" Minnesota's budget with his "no new taxes" pledge. We need to raise income from every possible outlet that will serve the most good for the most amount of people. There are ways to write tax codes that would keep small business in business, keep families in their houses, and the needlessly sick from suffering(I don't have the skill because probably some attack on my precieved intelligence would be coming after saying this). Its not one person at the top getting rich, if it were we wouldn't be in this situation, its a bunch of jealous guys right under them that wants what he has so they rig it up so they get a slice and so on until they're just not quite important enough to get in that bubble. An exclusion of those they used to used to be. These are the guys running the shots in the "conservative party" and I put that in quotes because they are just as radical as the liberals. There is no logic in either side which is why I consider myself about as fiscally moderate as it gets
It is not our only chance of getting out of this hole, if every person that had over $500,000 in the U.S. gave every dime of the money the produced to the feds for the rest of their lives it would not make much of a dent in our national debt, even with cuts like you mentioned. Getting rid of our national ponzis like medicare, medicaid, and social security would be the first place to start, then education. Taking care of the stupid? Not even close to being a governments job, they have parents do they not? Even if they passed on, their are plenty of people who would support them, not because they had to, but they wanted to. You earlier said we need to take Warren Buffets advice and raise taxes on the wealthy, to help others in need right? To provide things like roads, education, and health care, does he not already donate vast sums of money to the benefit of others? Would he not donate more if he had it? Who is stopping him or others from doing this? The federal government, mainly through taxation.
Also people do not simply die from lack of health care in this country, if you have something wrong with you, you can walk into ANY emergency room and get care. They cannot and will not turn you away, it has been federal law for quite a long time now. Serving the common good is not what we founded this country on and it is certainly not what is best for us as humans. The death of men like Socrates, and the looters who pillaged Rome set back human civilization many, many century's. All in the name of the common good.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14612777 - 06/14/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: I'm probably just gonna leave after I say this: if we weren't 14trillion dollars in dollars in debt I'd agree with some of what of prison Zappa and liarsonofgilt are saying. Nobody has asked me what any other pa of my economic beliefs are because were only talking by taxes here. We need to be making HUGE CUTS in government programs I agree. I don't think that this should be at the cost of of education or the sick or the unintelligent (some people are just born stupid). If your sick, you shouldn't have to not go to a doctor and possibly die from something serious(sounds like the 1500s )that could have been treated by a seriously overpriced pill while the people making that pill are getting filthy fucking rich. Bernie Sanders is on the same page as I am. So much money would be saved. I wonder what our defense budget would be if we split it in two and called one group offense and one group defense.... then cut the one that doesn't make sense... you need to bring jobs back to America, we need to have people making money. You can't just cut cut cut and expect to get anywhere if you then choose to cut taxes. That's like trying to save money on the electric bill by heating your house with your oven instead of your heating system. Or trying to save money by keeping your lights off more, but tlrefuse to switch to cfl bulbs. Taxes need to be raised on the absolutely only people that can afford it. I might not agree with it in principle but its the only chance to get out of such a huge hole. You don't think that wouldn't go down as some of the most American shit that's ever gone down in history? It can get worse though and the only way that's going to happen is if we keep spending. 14 trillion dollars is not going away by simply cutting, and even keeping taxes the same. Off topic... but if anybody is fooled by pawlently please look at how he "solved" Minnesota's budget with his "no new taxes" pledge. We need to raise income from every possible outlet that will serve the most good for the most amount of people. There are ways to write tax codes that would keep small business in business, keep families in their houses, and the needlessly sick from suffering(I don't have the skill because probably some attack on my precieved intelligence would be coming after saying this). Its not one person at the top getting rich, if it were we wouldn't be in this situation, its a bunch of jealous guys right under them that wants what he has so they rig it up so they get a slice and so on until they're just not quite important enough to get in that bubble. An exclusion of those they used to used to be. These are the guys running the shots in the "conservative party" and I put that in quotes because they are just as radical as the liberals. There is no logic in either side which is why I consider myself about as fiscally moderate as it gets
paragraph - 9 dictionary results par·a·graph    [par-uh-graf, -grahf] Show IPA –noun 1. a distinct portion of written or printed matter dealing with a particular idea, usually beginning with an indentation on a new line. 2. a paragraph mark. 3. a note, item, or brief article, as in a newspaper. –verb (used with object) 4. to divide into paragraphs. 5. to write or publish paragraphs about, as in a newspaper. 6. to express in a paragraph.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
#14612785 - 06/14/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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closed veil said: did any of u take a logic course in college? the exp. was right out of my text book. idk why i even bother, none of u have a realist view of the world. nothing i post will change this.
Yes, actually I did take a logic class in college (not that I needed to, it was the easiest class I ever took).
You are either remembering the example wrong, or you never understood it to begin with.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: ChuangTzu]
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
#14614560 - 06/14/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thought you'd be smarter for being such an old guy.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
#14614579 - 06/14/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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@ShroomeyJohn: lol @ your block of text.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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OTD isn't my game. If you got somethin to say to me and you feel you can't say it here then PM me.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: Icelander]
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i just think it's unfair that i got a warning, and the mod wanted to ban me outright, for calling someone a "fucking idiot" and yet you will get away with saying:
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Icelander said: Thought you'd be smarter for being such an old guy.
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: broken]
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closed veil said: i just think it's unfair that i got a warning, and the mod wanted to ban me outright, for calling someone a "fucking idiot" and yet you will get away with saying:
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Icelander said: Thought you'd be smarter for being such an old guy.
other then my use of profanity what's the diff?
What makes you conclude he "will get away with" his comment?
I don't get how people say the moderation is biased or unfair because 45 minutes pass and nobody's notified them of any infraction being issued.
zzripz has been whining about Prisoner being unfair/biased/a government agent (seriously) for a month now, and the only explanation he's given is that 3 hours passed after someone called him a sheep and nobody notified him of the guy being banned/warned.
If you've reported the incident than at least give teh moderation reasonable time to deal with it. (in zzripz case, he didn't even report the incident, but is still convinced of some nefarious conspiracy against him, lol)
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Re: Why do so many people think stealing more from the "rich" is ok? [Re: johnm214]
#14615368 - 06/15/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm not going to waste mod's time because someone insulted me. that's what butt-hurt posters do. i didn't mean for my post to sound like the mod's weren't doing their jobs, sorry if that's the way it came across.
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