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Please let the Bush tax cuts expire.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: timelapses] 1
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I am for tax cuts for any reason at any time
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Instead of expiring the bush tax cuts, just makes tax for everyone else 0%
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Shins]
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I think we need more taxes for the military, foreign financial suppport to the Egyption military, and set up bases all over the world with financial aid to all those willing to conform to United States interests.
Or we could just cut the EPA by 25%, Medicare, and all the other wonderful plans to cut the budget. I hope the credit score of the United Stats doesn't go down in July, but maybe there is an upside to that as well.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: timelapses]
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I have no idea why anyone in there right mind would be ok with taxes being levied against one person at a higher rate than anyone else. We do need some taxation for defense, but that is about it. We should be giving no foreign aid to other countries regardless of there loyalty. Why not use the proper words to describe our current taxes, legalized robbery at the point of a gun.
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> I have no idea why anyone in there right mind would be ok with taxes being levied against one person at a higher rate than anyone else.
The poor are ok with it because they make money rather than pay money. It is ironic that they sit back and bitch about the rich getting tax breaks. I'd love to see a flat tax rate for everybody, regardless of income bracket, if for no other reason than to shut up the idiots that cannot do simple math and think the rich are somehow getting a free ride.
> Instead of expiring the bush tax cuts, just makes tax for everyone else 0%
The tax almost everyone else pays is less than 0% (i.e. you make more through entitlements than you pay in taxes). The lazy deadbeats would end up losing quite a bit of free revenue if your tax rate was 0%.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Seuss]
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Suess isn't it funny that the people with a negative tax rate think that they are entitled to someone else's life? If only we could reverse the roles for them just one day. . .
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: timelapses]
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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43339983/ns/today-today_pets_and_animals/t/multimillionaire-pooch-dies-age-dog-years?GT1=43001
How they spend their own money is none of your fucking business. The Helmsleys probably paid over a billion dollars in taxes over their lifetimes.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I know your political beliefs. If only more things of how I spend my money could be none of people's business.
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timelapses said: I know your political beliefs. If only more things of how I spend my money could be none of people's business.
I share your wishes.
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PileusSonofGalt said: Suess isn't it funny that the people with a negative tax rate think that they are entitled to someone else's life? If only we could reverse the roles for them just one day. . .
Ummm - sure. I'd be happy to change places with someone making millions off of other people's hard work. Why would I mind paying taxes on millions? I already pay a shitload on less than millions.
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PileusSonofGalt said: Suess isn't it funny that the people with a negative tax rate think that they are entitled to someone else's life? If only we could reverse the roles for them just one day. . .
Goddamn, could we do that? Do you have that much money? Just gift it over for me, and I'll pay taxes on it allllll fucking day. I for one would LOVE to be able to make enough money to be taxed on it.
Nobody feels entitled to anybody else's life, but why does wealth entitle being a huge fucking prick?
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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43339983/ns/today-today_pets_and_animals/t/multimillionaire-pooch-dies-age-dog-years?GT1=43001
How they spend their own money is none of your fucking business. The Helmsleys probably paid over a billion dollars in taxes over their lifetimes.
$12 million dollars to a dog? I don't give a fuck, it isn't my money, but lets be realistic here. A fucking dog gets left $12 million? Is it gonna go buy a new Lambo? Maybe a oceanfront property? Do you know what could be done with $12 million? Could probably feed 10,000 hungry Americans for a year or more.
This isn't about people and how they spend their money, this is about people and their system of beliefs that somehow a dog should be left any money. At least if I inherited $12 million, I would be able to fucking SPEND it...
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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If you're really a huge prick your money won't do you much good anyway.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Icelander]
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But if you are a huge fucking prick literally then the whole system is wonderful and over time is leading to a wonderful outcome.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: timelapses]
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But if you are a huge fucking prick literally then the whole system is wonderful and over time is leading to a wonderful outcome.
If that's true then I want to be a huge prick.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Icelander]
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No, but you need to get drunk. Even the time it took for you to get the picture it's time for fun.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: timelapses]
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The poin is is that it is not yours to do anything with, if I choose to leave seven dollars to my gerbil does it give you a right to spend it. Oh wait NO! I can do whatever I want with MY money.
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PileusSonofGalt said: The poin is is that it is not yours to do anything with, if I choose to leave seven dollars to my gerbil does it give you a right to spend it. Oh wait NO! I can do whatever I want with MY money.
And what do you do with you taxes, or what tax bracket are you in? And do undestnd the trickle down effect and how much it benifits the good tax paying americans that pay it?
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PileusSonofGalt said: The poin is is that it is not yours to do anything with, if I choose to leave seven dollars to my gerbil does it give you a right to spend it. Oh wait NO! I can do whatever I want with MY money.
I don't give a fuck if you left $100 to your gerbil, we're talking about $12,000,000 dollars. Like I said, I still wouldn't give a fuck if you left your pet goldfish a billion dollars. It isn't my place to tell you how to allocate your money. But it brings into question not only intelligence, but your overwhelming sense of greed, and your lack of overall humanity to somehow leave money to something that is completely unable to spend such a wealth. Instead of an orphanage, or a school, you completely waste the opportunity to do some sort of good for a country that allowed you to live and obtain such wealth. That is what sickens me.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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Ok no one allows you nor anyone else to live. That is an inalienable human right, no one has a right to prevent you from that. One hundred or one billion the premise is the same, you want something for nothing. Yes I do have an overwhelming sense of greed, I want the absolute best for myself and the ones I love, no one else. That is what keeps the advancement of the human race going. GREED is GREAT! Selfishness is a virtue as well, without either we would still be living in caves and eating the daily catch.
That comment above about the good taxpaying Americans? Really??? The large majority of taxpayers get very little in the way of benefits from the taxes paid. However those with a negative tax rate have the most benefit.
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Sarcasm is hard to convey through e-mails or posting. I don't agree on the principle that it's the same if its a dollar or a billion. But the wealth disparity like the economy is rigged for the rich economically and politically like Vegas is rigged for the house. Such a global economy as it's set up, is bullshit.
Revolutions have happened in similar circumstances and it's probably heading towards that.
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PileusSonofGalt said: Ok no one allows you nor anyone else to live. That is an inalienable human right, no one has a right to prevent you from that. One hundred or one billion the premise is the same, you want something for nothing. Yes I do have an overwhelming sense of greed, I want the absolute best for myself and the ones I love, no one else. That is what keeps the advancement of the human race going. GREED is GREAT! Selfishness is a virtue as well, without either we would still be living in caves and eating the daily catch.
That comment above about the good taxpaying Americans? Really??? The large majority of taxpayers get very little in the way of benefits from the taxes paid. However those with a negative tax rate have the most benefit.
you sound like gordon gekko. more power to you, and bud fox and blue star. greed for lack of a better word, is good.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: imachavel]
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It is good, I wish more people thought this way. Unfortunately most people would rather save Blue Star type companies, because those people cannot be laid off! Gasp, oh no They seem to forget about the people who are employed because of stuff like this happening, you know auctioneers, movers, demolition crews, construction crews to build the new company that steps in to fill the void, all the people that rich evil bastard employs. Like maintenance men for his home and office, designers, cooks, servers, whiskey makers, wine makers, car manufactures, mechanics, even your health care is lower because of them. I only can hope that some day more people realize this.
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PileusSonofGalt said: Ok no one allows you nor anyone else to live. That is an inalienable human right, no one has a right to prevent you from that. One hundred or one billion the premise is the same, you want something for nothing. Yes I do have an overwhelming sense of greed, I want the absolute best for myself and the ones I love, no one else. That is what keeps the advancement of the human race going. GREED is GREAT! Selfishness is a virtue as well, without either we would still be living in caves and eating the daily catch.
That comment above about the good taxpaying Americans? Really??? The large majority of taxpayers get very little in the way of benefits from the taxes paid. However those with a negative tax rate have the most benefit.
You are once again completely backwards. Greed didn't get us out of caves, working together did. Selfishness is not a virtue, however selfLESSness is. Greed doesn't keep the human race going, compassion for others of the human race does.
Maybe you should listen to one of the richest men in the world, and how he will be voting for obama again: Warren Buffet.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/warren-buffett-read-lips-raise-taxes/story?id=12199889
"The rich are always going to say that, you know, just give us more money and we'll go out and spend more and then it will all trickle down to the rest of you. But that has not worked the last 10 years, and I hope the American public is catching on," Buffett explained.
This man, the third richest man in the world, signed a pledge that he would be donating over half his wealth to charity, along with many other billionaires. These are the people that understand the system and what the system has done for them, and try to give back. Good people.
“The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.”
Mr Buffett, who runs the investment group Berkshire Hathaway and is widely regarded as the world’s most successful investor, said that he was a Democrat because Republicans are more likely to think: “I’m making $80 million a year – God must have intended me to have a lower tax rate.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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You are once again completely backwards. Greed didn't get us out of caves, working together did. Selfishness is not a virtue, however selfLESSness is. Greed doesn't keep the human race going, compassion for others of the human race does.
If you consider selflessness a virtue then you should hand over every possession you have to someone with less, when you get sick and have only enough money to buy the meds that will save your life you must give them to another less fortunate person. Greed most definitely got us out of caves, if it was not for greed Rome would have never had running water, it would have never had roads, or coliseums. However after the fall of the Roman empire what happened? The dark ages came about due to people thinking like you, altruism is a very evil notion. Altruism is what caused the death and despair of countless millions over the history of time. What happened in Russia when they took greed out of the equation and decided everyone would work together or die? You guessed it, over 30 MILLION perished, because they could not work for themselves.
Maybe you should listen to one of the richest men in the world, and how he will be voting for obama again: Warren Buffet.
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/warren-buffett-read-lips-raise-taxes/story?id=12199889
"The rich are always going to say that, you know, just give us more money and we'll go out and spend more and then it will all trickle down to the rest of you. But that has not worked the last 10 years, and I hope the American public is catching on," Buffett explained.
This man, the third richest man in the world, signed a pledge that he would be donating over half his wealth to charity, along with many other billionaires. These are the people that understand the system and what the system has done for them, and try to give back. Good people.
“The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.”
Mr Buffett, who runs the investment group Berkshire Hathaway and is widely regarded as the world’s most successful investor, said that he was a Democrat because Republicans are more likely to think: “I’m making $80 million a year – God must have intended me to have a lower tax rate.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Savvy investor, yes he is. Smart man? Not really, no one just gives rich people money, they either invest with or buy from them. That is how they get the money, you and others freely hand it over. The statement he makes about paying less tax by percentage may be true, if he does not include the taxes paid by his company on profits before he gets paid. However, it is his company, so the taxes being paid are his as well, couple that with the taxes taken from his salary and it easily outpaces any house cleaner. Not to mention his capital gains taxes, state, local, sales, investment, and the taxes he pays on oh yes CHARITABLE DONATIONS. Why must he give his money to someone else to distribute as they see fit because he wants to donate money to a youth program or a food kitchen?
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You're trying to say Warren Buffet is not a smart man? Get real. You're trying to say that the third richest man in the world asking for higher taxes on the rich, the man that said he would donate 99% of his wealth... Isn't doing something good? Get real.
Also: Everybody knows business degrees are a JOKE. There is a reason your average joe shmoe goes to college for a BUSINESS degree. It takes little to no real intelligence to get. There is nothing innovative, nothing groundbreaking, in a business degree that you would not be able to learn by reading a damn book. Every business major I know is a damn slacker. They're the ones paying me to take their calculus final because they didn't show up to class more than three times the whole semester, even though they never had to wake up before 1PM.
Seriously though, PM me this woman's contact info, I'm struggling. I could use a fat ass scholarship. Help me find a job, because the last 15 applications I've filled out in the past week seem to be going completely ignored. I don't accept handouts even though I could, because I don't think that I am struggling enough (although after next month's rent/food/insurance bills I will be pretty damn close to being homeless after that). There are people that need it more than I do.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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You're trying to say Warren Buffet is not a smart man? Get real.
He's apparently not smart enough to realize he could have been handing over considerably more of his money each year to the IRS. They won't refuse to take it, I guarantee you. Or is Buffet saying he won't give more of his money to the government until they force him to? Sure sounds like it to me. How does that make him any different - or any smarter - than the rest of us?
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You're trying to say that the third richest man in the world asking for higher taxes on the rich, the man that said he would donate 99% of his wealth... Isn't doing something good?
He said he'd donate 99% of his wealth? Really? You said he was going to donate "over half" of it. Which is it?
Also, note where that wealth is going - to charities, not to the IRS.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Phred]
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http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/news/newsmakers/Warren_Buffett_Pledge_Letter.fortune/
FORTUNE -- In 2006, I made a commitment to gradually give all of my Berkshire Hathaway stock to philanthropic foundations. I couldn't be happier with that decision.
Now, Bill and Melinda Gates and I are asking hundreds of rich Americans to pledge at least 50% of their wealth to charity. So I think it is fitting that I reiterate my intentions and explain the thinking that lies behind them.
First, my pledge: More than 99% of my wealth will go to philanthropy during my lifetime or at death. Measured by dollars, this commitment is large. In a comparative sense, though, many individuals give more to others every day.
Millions of people who regularly contribute to churches, schools, and other organizations thereby relinquish the use of funds that would otherwise benefit their own families. The dollars these people drop into a collection plate or give to United Way mean forgone movies, dinners out, or other personal pleasures. In contrast, my family and I will give up nothing we need or want by fulfilling this 99% pledge.
Moreover, this pledge does not leave me contributing the most precious asset, which is time. Many people, including -- I'm proud to say -- my three children, give extensively of their own time and talents to help others. Gifts of this kind often prove far more valuable than money. A struggling child, befriended and nurtured by a caring mentor, receives a gift whose value far exceeds what can be bestowed by a check. My sister, Doris, extends significant person-to-person help daily. I've done little of this.
What I can do, however, is to take a pile of Berkshire Hathaway stock certificates -- "claim checks" that when converted to cash can command far-ranging resources -- and commit them to benefit others who, through the luck of the draw, have received the short straws in life. To date about 20% of my shares have been distributed (including shares given by my late wife, Susan Buffett). I will continue to annually distribute about 4% of the shares I retain. At the latest, the proceeds from all of my Berkshire shares will be expended for philanthropic purposes by 10 years after my estate is settled. Nothing will go to endowments; I want the money spent on current needs.
This pledge will leave my lifestyle untouched and that of my children as well. They have already received significant sums for their personal use and will receive more in the future. They live comfortable and productive lives. And I will continue to live in a manner that gives me everything that I could possibly want in life.
Some material things make my life more enjoyable; many, however, would not. I like having an expensive private plane, but owning a half-dozen homes would be a burden. Too often, a vast collection of possessions ends up possessing its owner. The asset I most value, aside from health, is interesting, diverse, and long-standing friends.
My wealth has come from a combination of living in America, some lucky genes, and compound interest. Both my children and I won what I call the ovarian lottery. (For starters, the odds against my 1930 birth taking place in the U.S. were at least 30 to 1. My being male and white also removed huge obstacles that a majority of Americans then faced.)
My luck was accentuated by my living in a market system that sometimes produces distorted results, though overall it serves our country well. I've worked in an economy that rewards someone who saves the lives of others on a battlefield with a medal, rewards a great teacher with thank-you notes from parents, but rewards those who can detect the mispricing of securities with sums reaching into the billions. In short, fate's distribution of long straws is wildly capricious.
The reaction of my family and me to our extraordinary good fortune is not guilt, but rather gratitude. Were we to use more than 1% of my claim checks on ourselves, neither our happiness nor our well-being would be enhanced. In contrast, that remaining 99% can have a huge effect on the health and welfare of others. That reality sets an obvious course for me and my family: Keep all we can conceivably need and distribute the rest to society, for its needs. My pledge starts us down that course.
Please also read: http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/16/gates-buffett-600-billion-dollar-philanthropy-challenge/?iid=EL
This is billionaires they are talking about. What about the people sitting on $10 million, or $100 million or $500 million?
All I'm saying is, the man is saying that he needs to be taxed more. How can you turn a cheek to the third richest man in the world saying he isn't being a taxed enough, nor are any of his ultra-wealthy companions who make up the top 5% of America?
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The man is not saying he can be taxed more. He is saying other people should be taxed more. He is fully empowered to gift 100% of his money to the government. He can do it any time he wants to.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
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and I quote
"Read my lips. Raise my taxes" - Warren Buffet
You obviously did not watch the video, or read anything that I posted, or you would never have made such a statement. Anybody is empowered to give the government 100% of their money, anybody is empowered to give a charity 100% of the money. That isn't the question, nor the solution.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14602679 - 06/12/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: and I quote
"Read my lips. Raise my taxes" - Warren Buffet
You obviously did not watch the video, or read anything that I posted, or you would never have made such a statement. Anybody is empowered to give the government 100% of their money, anybody is empowered to give a charity 100% of the money. That isn't the question, nor the solution.
But it isn't his taxes he wants to raise, is it?
I was fully aware of what Buffet said long before I ever saw any of your posts. Buffet can either give all his money to the government or he can fuck off. I can assure you that I am not willing to give more than the 50+% of my income I already give to the government. That cunt can speak for himself. He doesn't speak for me and is a phony since he doesn't disburse all of his money.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
#14602702 - 06/12/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once again. You don't read. At least the Pileus read my arguments and tried to counter them.
How could you ever misconstrue "Raise my taxes" as not wanting the government to... raise HIS taxes? I don't give a fuck what you're willing to do, your money means nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you were aware of what he said, you would know that he has pledged to distribute 99% of his wealth.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14602726 - 06/12/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: Once again. You don't read. At least the Pileus read my arguments and tried to counter them.
How could you ever misconstrue "Raise my taxes" as not wanting the government to... raise HIS taxes? I don't give a fuck what you're willing to do, your money means nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you were aware of what he said, you would know that he has pledged to distribute 99% of his wealth.
WHAT FUCKING PART OF IT "ISN'T HIS TAXES HE WANTS RAISED" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? He apparently also wants to raise taxes on other people like him who might not be that interested. I know I'm not. I already pay more than half my family income in taxes.
He wants to distribute 99% of his wealth where he sees fit. Not where the government sees fit. If he wanted it to go where the government wants it to go he could just, wait for it, give it to the government.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
#14602755 - 06/12/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no way you pay more than half of your income to income taxes. To try and incorporate other taxes into your statement is bringing in a whole new debate. Go start a new thread.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14602848 - 06/12/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: You're trying to say Warren Buffet is not a smart man? Get real. You're trying to say that the third richest man in the world asking for higher taxes on the rich, the man that said he would donate 99% of his wealth... Isn't doing something good? Get real.
Also: Everybody knows business degrees are a JOKE. There is a reason your average joe shmoe goes to college for a BUSINESS degree. It takes little to no real intelligence to get. There is nothing innovative, nothing groundbreaking, in a business degree that you would not be able to learn by reading a damn book. Every business major I know is a damn slacker. They're the ones paying me to take their calculus final because they didn't show up to class more than three times the whole semester, even though they never had to wake up before 1PM.
Seriously though, PM me this woman's contact info, I'm struggling. I could use a fat ass scholarship. Help me find a job, because the last 15 applications I've filled out in the past week seem to be going completely ignored. I don't accept handouts even though I could, because I don't think that I am struggling enough (although after next month's rent/food/insurance bills I will be pretty damn close to being homeless after that). There are people that need it more than I do.
She is a staunch capitalist as am I, sorry but someone with your ideals would not be worth her time nor money. Nothing personal but we both believe in the freedom to make ones own decisions without being threatened by a gun. What you are calling for and Warren Buffet in raising taxes on the very wealthy is nothing more than legalized extortion. The same thing they put mobsters in prison for. He is obviously intelligent, as is Obama, but you can be intelligent in certain aspects and still be completely ignorant of the axioms of life. He has fallen prey, in my opinion, to the misguided belief that altruism is a good thing.
: unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others
: behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species
So what about altruism is good for human kind? If everyone was concerned only with there well being and being the happiest they could be without the moral stigma that comes with wealth these days, we would be much better off. You assume, when you disagree with this that the majority of people on this planet are morally bankrupt and that they would help no one. DO you not feel good when you help a loved one? Do you not have a sense of pride when you make a loved one smile? Have you ever done something you did not want to so that someone you cared for would not have to? If so then you are, according to your logic, an immoral human, because love is a purely selfish act. You assume that everyone is filled with irrational greed and that is just not the case, the vast majority of human beings are good people with good intentions. They do not need the feds to rob them of their wealth to help others, they can and would do it themselves. The only difference is they would get to decide, not a group of people who did not earn it nor have any personal attachment to it. Other than helping them get re-elected.
Also who thinks that a bussiness management degree is a joke? I am pretty sure that we can use emperical data to the contrary. Actually no I am positive we can.
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It is not another debate, you quoted him saying he paid less in taxes than his lowest rung employees, I simply disproved that statement.
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And what empirical data would be used to prove the contrary. Profit? 
I person who gets a degree in chemistry could run a business, in fact, I just watched an outdoors show after the local news where they were talking about an ENGLISH major running a successful business. Would you ever be able to do anything outside of business? Probably not, but anybody from a different study could do what you do (or... should I say... Work all your life in hopes of what you want to do...). First you get a business degree, and now you're "studying" to be a chef. Good luck.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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No I am a chef, I am studying to be one of the best. I gladly spend anytime I can in a kitchen honing my craft. That is why I will succeed. Yes it would be profit, if you look at the data collected college graduates earn more over the course of their life than non college graduates. Not always do to the degree, many times it is just that the individual that was willing to go to school and learn is simply more motivated and smarter than others. So if you think taxing the wealthy is good for the average joe, and you think that hard work does not pay off, and that no matter what you do you will never have more than some meager existence, why do you continue to live in this country? Why not live in a country with "free" health care, one that will allow you to collect unemployment for over a year while doing nothing to earn a wage for yourself? You guessed it, YOU ALREADY DO! If you do not have the money for a doctor and you have no job or do not earn very much you will be taken care of. Some very stupid people got together and already passed laws stating an emergency room cannot turn you away. Regardless of your ability to pay. Robbery is nice when it is done by someone else for your benefit is it not?
And no, not anybody could do what I do, let me know the next time you butcher a lamb and make your own crown racks, or the next time you grow your own food and can it. If you happen to find yourself making baklava from scratch and you cannot get the sheets of phyllo paper thin without tearing let me know so I can laugh. I bet you could not tell me a proper temperature chart for a steak without Google. Do you know if asparagus is in season now? How about you make me some pomegranate caviar to go over my key lime sorbet? It is not nearly as easy as you think to be a top notch chef, that is why the ones who are great get paid hundreds of thousands a year. Because they can do what others cannot, creativity in the kitchen cannot be learned, some people just have the knack. The next time I am making botarga I will be thinking of you and how easy it is to create a masterpiece from scratch.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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Actually I would really like you to answer my question about altruism. What about it is good for humanity?
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PileusSonofGalt said: It is not another debate, you quoted him saying he paid less in taxes than his lowest rung employees, I simply disproved that statement.
Can you please repost the part about you disproving that? I missed it above - thanks!
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PileusSonofGalt said: It is good, I wish more people thought this way. Unfortunately most people would rather save Blue Star type companies, because those people cannot be laid off! Gasp, oh no They seem to forget about the people who are employed because of stuff like this happening, you know auctioneers, movers, demolition crews, construction crews to build the new company that steps in to fill the void, all the people that rich evil bastard employs. Like maintenance men for his home and office, designers, cooks, servers, whiskey makers, wine makers, car manufactures, mechanics, even your health care is lower because of them. I only can hope that some day more people realize this.
wow, you seem to have really gotten the point of that movie, gekko ripping the fuck off out of companies, bankrupting blue star, going to fucking prison for violating the inside trading sanction act. my work is done here, bust just to be sure... let me just say one last thing
why do people think greed is good? like they compare greed to success. a city building itself over night with everyone helping, and feeding everyone and shit, that is success. one person 'employing' everybody, and keeping most of the money for himself is greed, and him banking off other peoples help. I can't understand why people think that people need a 'leader' to work hard, eat well, and be successful.
and to be honest dude, how the fuck is my health care lower? those last 20 years of $5 an hour didn't seem to help me shove a bunch of money in the bank to pay my health care, and to be honest last time I went to the hospital, I left with like a $7000 bill, and it wasn't my fault it was an emergency. I guess I just don't appreciate how all those rich people have made my health care lower. greed is good, buy gordon's book. fuck blue star.
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PileusSonofGalt said: No I am a chef, I am studying to be one of the best. I gladly spend anytime I can in a kitchen honing my craft. That is why I will succeed. Yes it would be profit, if you look at the data collected college graduates earn more over the course of their life than non college graduates. Not always do to the degree, many times it is just that the individual that was willing to go to school and learn is simply more motivated and smarter than others. So if you think taxing the wealthy is good for the average joe, and you think that hard work does not pay off, and that no matter what you do you will never have more than some meager existence, why do you continue to live in this country? Why not live in a country with "free" health care, one that will allow you to collect unemployment for over a year while doing nothing to earn a wage for yourself? You guessed it, YOU ALREADY DO! If you do not have the money for a doctor and you have no job or do not earn very much you will be taken care of. Some very stupid people got together and already passed laws stating an emergency room cannot turn you away. Regardless of your ability to pay. Robbery is nice when it is done by someone else for your benefit is it not?
And no, not anybody could do what I do, let me know the next time you butcher a lamb and make your own crown racks, or the next time you grow your own food and can it. If you happen to find yourself making baklava from scratch and you cannot get the sheets of phyllo paper thin without tearing let me know so I can laugh. I bet you could not tell me a proper temperature chart for a steak without Google. Do you know if asparagus is in season now? How about you make me some pomegranate caviar to go over my key lime sorbet? It is not nearly as easy as you think to be a top notch chef, that is why the ones who are great get paid hundreds of thousands a year. Because they can do what others cannot, creativity in the kitchen cannot be learned, some people just have the knack. The next time I am making botarga I will be thinking of you and how easy it is to create a masterpiece from scratch.
You're talking to the wrong person, I've worked in a kitchen for a lot of time, and have loved cooking my entire life. I've made plenty of baklava from scratch working at a greek restaurant, and garden every year. What do you want to know about a steak? At my last job I got compliments every steak that I cooked . Why would i ever want to make pomegranate caviar though? I'd give you a pretty damn good run for you money in the kitchen.
Once again though, its all about the money to you. A million dollars would be more important than a million lives saved to you.
But once again, good luck in your endevor to be a "top notch" chef. When the kid from le cordon bleu get that job you're looking for, at least you have a business degree to go back to serving tables with, right?
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14603918 - 06/13/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The smartest thing you have said yet, yes one million dollars is more important to me than one million lives, as long as the million lives are not my loved ones. You might be getting it finally. Money buys happiness and I want to be as happy as I can possibly be before my time is up. One million people in China are not important to me, if they died it would suck, but I would not sacrifice the life of a single loved one for the chance to save one million that I do not know. Anyone who claims otherwise is either A lying or B they are too stupid to understand the concept of self worth.
You would want to make it to impress someone to get something you want, if you think that getting a compliment on a steak is nice, make something that very few others can and let me know how you feel. And no I will call bullshit once again that you did not get complimented on every steak you cooked, unless you cooked only one or two a week. not even close to enough time to compliment someone on every steak cooked in a busy restaurant.
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PileusSonofGalt said: The smartest thing you have said yet, yes one million dollars is more important to me than one million lives, as long as the million lives are not my loved ones. You might be getting it finally. Money buys happiness and I want to be as happy as I can possibly be before my time is up. One million people in China are not important to me, if they died it would suck, but I would not sacrifice the life of a single loved one for the chance to save one million that I do not know. Anyone who claims otherwise is either A lying or B they are too stupid to understand the concept of self worth.
You would want to make it to impress someone to get something you want, if you think that getting a compliment on a steak is nice, make something that very few others can and let me know how you feel. And no I will call bullshit once again that you did not get complimented on every steak you cooked, unless you cooked only one or two a week. not even close to enough time to compliment someone on every steak cooked in a busy restaurant.
Just because you can make something that few others can, doesn't mean anybody want to eat it.
I guess $10,000+ friday nights is a not busy restaurant 
" Money buys happiness and I want to be as happy as I can possibly be before my time is up."
Thats all I need to read. You're sick in the head, which I guess you've admitted, so there is really no point in arguing here. Material things and a big house doesn't get you the things that what most would say is truly important. Your baby momma took your kid to a different state, and you're more worried about a dollar. I find that sickening. You bring a child into the world and do nothing but maybe pay child support. Obviously you have your priorities straight.
Keep serving at Outback bro, keep sending those biweekly checks to baby momma.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: imachavel]
#14603962 - 06/13/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is very simple, they buy medication that is obscenly expensive in order to have a better quality of life. The AIDS cocktails that Magic Johnson took to help him maintain a healthy life used to cost over $5000 a day, now people can buy them for less than $1000 for a month. It is because of him buying them in the first place that allowed for further research.
I can't understand why people think that people need a 'leader' to work hard, eat well, and be successful.
I agree, if more people felt this way we would all be better off. Men of their own free will doing what they can and want to for their own personal benefit. Sounds good to me.
And I do not think greed is good, I KNOW it is good. Without greed you would not ever try to grow a bigger shroom, or more potent strains, we would all have multispore cubes. Greed is often misunderstood. Just in case let me show you the definition: intense andselfish desire for something, especially wealth, power , or food. What about this is wrong? You want more wealth to buy your woman something nice, more power to make the choices you want for your life, and more food to feed your friends and family. But these are all bad things are they not? LOL!
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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Thats all I need to read. You're sick in the head, which I guess you've admitted, so there is really no point in arguing here. Material things and a big house doesn't get you the things that what most would say is truly important. Your baby momma took your kid to a different state, and you're more worried about a dollar. I find that sickening. You bring a child into the world and do nothing but maybe pay child support. Obviously you have your priorities straight.
Keep serving at Outback bro, keep sending those biweekly checks to baby momma.
Ok first off the things "most" people, once again just because a larger portion of people think something is right does not make it so. If 700 out of 1000 people tell you that they had sex with your woman last night does that make it true? Nope.
And yes I am more worried about a dollar because dollars are what it will take for me to get full custody. As far as Outback goes I do not work for Outback, I work for Flemings. And yes I do only pay my child support ow and provide her with insurance, the extra money I have goes into a trust for her to go to private school when I get her back.
Also as for me being sick in the head, your right, I have a mental defect, now that I have learned to use it to my advantage I get lots more done than an average person. I was on here until after 7 a.m. yesterday and then spent the day tying up my tomatoes, pruning rose bushes, cooking ribs, making 30 quart jars of rye for oyster mushrooms, alphabetizing my closet by color and style, and changed the oil in my womans car. ANd I still had time to watch Double Jeopardy with her and help my mom with her study of the human viscera. It sucks being sick in the head doesn't it?
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But... You're not going to get her back. You can be as successful as you want, but all you're going to do is pull your kid from the most stability she's had. All the extra money you're making huh? After your nice TV's and all the expensive things you already said make you happy you must be
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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ShroomyJohn said: But... You're not going to get her back. You can be as successful as you want, but all you're going to do is pull your kid from the most stability she's had. All the extra money you're making huh? After your nice TV's and all the expensive things you already said make you happy you must be
I sure will, because in the state she lives in if I can provide a better home environment for her then i will get custody. I will have to wipe out my savings to get her, but I will. Unlike you when I want something I get it, you know, like a job. That is why you said shit thats a lot of money, and if I had $600 to spend on a tv. My woman and I work very hard and save even harder, we go on tour following Phish to several shows a year and have been on vacations to Chicago twice and Vegas in the past two years, not including trips to Philly just for a $100 cheesesteak. All things that make us very happy, without money none of it would be possible. When you spend time with and come from nothing, once you have it you will not let little things like losing a job stop you from achieving your goals. Ones like buying brand new plasmas for the bedroom, living room, and basement, or a new car, having pizza shipped to my door from Ginos East in Chicago for $40 a pop. It may sound like we live above our means but neither of us has a single credit card and the only debt we have is our home, and we even have equity in it after having lived in it for only about nine months. Maybe it is my firm belief in capitalism that sets us apart so much, I would guess it has more to do with our work ethic than anything, you think I was being extorted for planting tobacco for $5 an hour. I would do it right now if I had the spare time and could not make more doing something else, because their is no such thing as a bad job, some are just better than others. That is how my child will be raised and she will be so much better off for it. Maybe you should spend some time investing in yourself instead of wallowing in self pity, if you ever want some tips on how to be successful let me know, I would be happy to share. As for me it is almost 6 a.m. and it is time for some breakfast, I think I am going to make some 42 minute eggs topped with some dill caviar, but you think that is not worth doing, sorry to rub it, oh waste your time telling you about it. Maybe if you could think for yourself and had not come to really on the fednannys to care for you, you could see the beauty in this. Have a bland, boring and jobless day
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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One of the most profound things I have ever read. Please read this and I ask anyone to refute a single statemennt in this speech. Maybe you will learn something Shroomy.
Rearden heard Bertram Scudder, outside the group, say to a girl who made some sound of indignation, "Don't let him disturb you. You know, money is the root of all evil--and he's the typical product of money."
Rearden did not think that Francisco could have heard it, but he saw Francisco turning to them with a gravely courteous smile.
"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Aconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor-- your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?
"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions--and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.
"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is MADE--before it can be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.
"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except by the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss--the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery--that you must offer them values, not wounds--that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of GOODS. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best your money can find. And when men live by trade--with reason, not force, as their final arbiter--it is the best product that wins, the best performance, then man of best judgment and highest ability--and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?
"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.
"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?
"Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth--the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve that mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?
"Money is your means of survival. The verdict which you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?
"Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?
"Or did you say it's the LOVE of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is the loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money--and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it."
"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another--their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.
"But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride, or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich--will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt--and of his life, as he deserves.
"Then you will see the rise of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of DISARMED victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.
"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.
"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: 'Account overdrawn.'
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world?' You are.
"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while your damning its life-blood--money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves--slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers--as industrialists.
"To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a COUNTRY OF MONEY--and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being--the self-made man--the American industrialist.
"If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose--because it contains all the others--the fact that they were the people who created the phrase 'to MAKE money.' No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity--to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted, or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the essence of human morality.
"Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide-as, I think, he will.
"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice--there is no other--and your time is running out."
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you all need to read "End the Fed' by Ron Paul. income tax should be eliminated altogether.
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I would somewhat agree with that statement, however soem form of taxation is needed to provide national defense and at a local level police officers. It should not change according to your wealth, it should be a flat rate (not percentage but dollar amount) that everyone pays to provide these things. As far as courts go, you would pay a form of insurance on any contract you signed or deal you went into agreement upon so that at a later date if said obligations were not met, you would have a recourse of action to take.
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as usually u are wrong. the only taxes should be on things we buy. the more u spend, the more taxes u pay.
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How am I wrong? Do you wish to not have national defense? If you only taxed on purchased goods then we would have a pretty ill equipped military. Entirely too many things can go wrong waiting on unkown amounts of income to support long term goals like protecting our country and our freedoms. I wish you would actually give some form of rebuttal other than your wrong, I like being proven wrong, but you will not even attempt it. It is ok, I will cut you some slack since you are a Libertarian. Wait isnt Stossel a libertarian? On Fox News? Oh no.
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ShroomyJohn said: There is no way you pay more than half of your income to income taxes. To try and incorporate other taxes into your statement is bringing in a whole new debate. Go start a new thread.
I didn't say it was income tax, did I? And I'll bring in any fucking taxes I pay should I feel like it. Here is an approximate breakdown based on several year averages of our income: 1. Federal income tax, top bracket (probably about 33% for the whole thing) 2. FICA around 15% for the first $100G then 3% for the rest. (probably about 6% total) 3. NY State income tax top bracket, around 7.5% 4. Property taxes around 5% 5. Sales taxes on anything I buy, say I spend half of the approximately half that is left from those other taxing entities. That's another 2%/3% or so. 6. Other taxes and government fees, probably not that much. Maybe 1%.
It's over 50%. That's on all of it. The last dollar we make is taxed more than the average dollar we make. The government disappears most of it down a rathole of incompetence and bum pandering.
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PileusSonofGalt said: How am I wrong? Do you wish to not have national defense? If you only taxed on purchased goods then we would have a pretty ill equipped military. Entirely too many things can go wrong waiting on unkown amounts of income to support long term goals like protecting our country and our freedoms. I wish you would actually give some form of rebuttal other than your wrong, I like being proven wrong, but you will not even attempt it. It is ok, I will cut you some slack since you are a Libertarian. Wait isnt Stossel a libertarian? On Fox News? Oh no.
ppl buy stuff everyday. a lot of stuff. where as now we waste a ton of money on the IRS, and giving out refunds, there would instead be a constant flow of income from sales tax. and if u stop taxing ppl's incomes, they will have a lot more money to spend won't they.
and as far as "national defense" it would be much cheaper if we didn't have military bases and troops in 130 countries, and in my opinion, make us a lot safer.
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Yes the flow would be constant, but you would have no way of making long term plans due to the unknown amount of income. If you can guess how much will be spent by consumers next month that is taxed let me know, I will place a bet with a bookie in Vegas. So you think that we would be safer if did not have a military presence around the world? How? having troops in other countries whom we are allied with enables us to deploy to any location in the world within hours. We could not do that having troops only in the U.S. borders. Since you have an opinion on the matter I am sure more than just myself would like to hear it.
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the gov't is trillions of dollars in debt, and con't to borrow more and more. they do not rely on how much tax they take in to spend money. changing they way we are taxed would not effect the way this in any way.
i think it is a waste of money to have troops in 130 countries. no other country has as many troops in as many countries, they seem to be safe. why do we need to be able to deploy to anywhere in the world with-in hours, we are not the world's police. so the only reason to have us spread out in such a manor is a bully effect. we to terrorize the wold.
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they seem to be safe
Most likely due to the fact that we are doing their jobs. It seems to me that since WWII we've been peace keeper for the world. Not that we've always don't a good job of it.
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or maybe they are safe because they don't send troops around the world and bully other countries out of there natural resources.
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In WWII who was stealing resources from the Germans? What ever I may think about our recent military actions back in WWII we were the knight who came to the rescue. Or maybe you think the Germans were bluffing?
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closed veil said: the gov't is trillions of dollars in debt, and con't to borrow more and more. they do not rely on how much tax they take in to spend money. changing they way we are taxed would not effect the way this in any way.
i think it is a waste of money to have troops in 130 countries. no other country has as many troops in as many countries, they seem to be safe. why do we need to be able to deploy to anywhere in the world with-in hours, we are not the world's police. so the only reason to have us spread out in such a manor is a bully effect. we to terrorize the wold.
If we had a proper capitalist government we would not have trillions in debt, the only money spent would be money brought in for defense and police, that is all. No other country has as much as we do though, you are correect we are not the worlds police, we should only be concerned with our own freedom. People like you that think indiviuals need to be protected from bankers, evil loan officers, and the rich at any cost are why the government does this. We need to be able to deploy anywhere within hours because many countries want to destroy us because we are "free"
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closed veil said: or maybe they are safe because they don't send troops around the world and bully other countries out of there natural resources.
So what did we get from Vietnam? What about Iraq back in 1990? Did we get anything for stopping Japan and Germany? NO we loaned them money to rebuild. Did we get anything for helping in Kosovo? No we aided humans in need at our expense, evil military I tell you, stopping genocide should be a crime!
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i never said anything about WW2. once again twisting. i'm talking current events, not a war that happened over 60 years ago.
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@PileusSonofGalt- if our gov't had an interest in stopping genocide then why did we not intervene in sierra-leone, tibet, peru, rwanda, somalia, uganda, ethiopia, the philippines, liberia, cambodia, congo, guatemala, yemen, pakistan, libya, indonesia, or laos?
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closed veil said: i never said anything about WW2. once again twisting. i'm talking current events, not a war that happened over 60 years ago.
I also showed examples of our military action that has occurred in the past twenty years or less, and I did not say they had an interest in it. That is just the reason we went to Kosovo. It is not our place to become involved in civil wars, unless the affect our citizens lives or livelihood's. Then we have the right to defend ourselves and either detain and imprison, or kill anyone attempting to do so. We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this, of mineral rights, property, or people. You are simply wrong in insinuating we do and or have.
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PileusSonofGalt said:...We simply do not and have not ever invaded another country for exploitation, history will back me on this....
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holy fuck that is funny!

Are you fucking kidding me??? That is funny.
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What resources did we expropriate through military action from Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Serbia?
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zappa, u will dismiss outright anything i have to say. we see the world thru very different sets of eyes, so how about we just agree to disagree?
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You made an assertion of fact, not an opinion. There is nothing to agree or disagree about. You can either support your assertion or you can't. I've been listening to the "No Blood For Oil" nitwits for nigh onto a decade now. Back it up or shut it up.
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ok, well how about the sweat shops that american companies have in vietnam.
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I don't think that had anything to do with the war, do you? In fact the war delayed any trade we have with Vietnam. Would you rather they were unemployed? I bet they think you should shut the fuck up and mind your own American business.
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see what i mean? i might as well go hit my self in the head with a hammer. at least i'll get something done.
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i might as well go hit my self in the head with a hammer...
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closed veil said: see what i mean? i might as well go hit my self in the head with a hammer. at least i'll get something done.
Knock some sense into you? So can you back your bullshit up or not. I know the answer but some others might still be unclear.
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closed veil said: ok, well how about the sweat shops that american companies have in vietnam.
We also have american companies in China that run sweat shops. Did I miss the invasion somehow? Sorry but I do not remember invading Vietnam either, once again we went there to protect ourselves from what we thought was a security threat to our well being.
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american-indian wars (from 1775-1980): land seized battle at wounded knee: land seized, child taken and put in boarding schools great sioux uprising: land seized spanish american war: land seized america invades the confederacy: entire country dismantled, all land seized
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At least until you come up with an example of what was actually asked.
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american-indian wars (from 1775-1980): land seized battle at wounded knee: land seized, child taken and put in boarding schools great sioux uprising: land seized spanish american war: land seized america invades the confederacy: entire country dismantled, all land seized
sound i keep going?
Indians had no sense or understanding of property rights, what the military did was protect American citizens and property rights. Spanish American, we aided our allies and protected our interests, land seized was in reperation for damages. No different from seizing the goods of someone who assaulted you to pay for your medical bills. The confederacy? A group of people in certain states tried to take something that already belonged to the United States, land. We simply stopped them, and once again helped others, i.e. slaves.
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your understanding of history is convoluted, and u obviously know nothing of at least two of the events i have listed. also you, contradicted yourself, yet again...
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Indians had no sense or understanding of property rights, what the military did was protect American citizens and property rights.
so it was OK to take the indians land because they didn't "understand property rights"? we still invaded and took the land, which is something u said we never did. so which is it? stop contradicting yourself.
in the battle of wounded knee we attacked the oglala lakota on their reservation (their country) who where conducting a religious ceremony. at least 150 men, women, and children were killed. in the end, most of the land was taken and their right practice their own religion was outlawed. so much for freedom of religion.
in the great sioux uprising, german settlers where forming a town (mankato, MN) on a indian reservation. also the gov't was not providing the rations promised in the treaty and indians were starving. when the indians tried to drive out the settlers, the US gov't invaded their country. in the end, not only was all the land seized, but also the largest mass execution in US history took place, when 38 men where hung all at once, for protecting their homeland and their people.
let alone what u said about the spanish american war and civil war was completely wrong.
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Indians had no sense or understanding of property rights, what the military did was protect American citizens and property rights.
This one is priceless. Broken treaties anyone?
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Even after the treaties had been signed Indians would routinely hunt on land not specified in said treaty, that is an act of aggression. What happened with the Indians was completely handled the wrong way, but they did not own the land, they simply used all the land they wanted. Most tribes were nomadic, and the ones whom did stay settled did not claim to own the land, simply that they lived there. And closed, how can you take something that they themselves did not own? If you say these are not my mushroom supplies and trays, when I take them can you stop me? No, because they are not yours.
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a treaty can only be made between 2 countries. once the treaties were signed the land belonged to the nation, they did not believe in ppl owning land, but they as a nation, did have the rights of said land promised in the treaty. we invaded their country and took the land. which is something u said we never did. admit u are wrong.
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Our way or the highway right. God created property rights when he created humans and the dinosaurs they ride.
They occupied those lands and maintained territories with other Indians tribes. We made treaties which included phrases like as long as the water flows and the grass grows and we broke them illegally as the courts have sometimes acknowledged. No matter what they may or may not have done.
Actually I can take anything I want from you by force if I can and that is also a god given right and supersedes property rights.
And to say our military was only protecting US citizens is really an amazing stretch of the imagination.
So lets just be honest and say we took it cause we could and quit with the bull shit lame justifications.
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Indians had no sense or understanding of property rights, what the military did was protect American citizens and property rights.
so it was OK to take the indians land because they didn't "understand property rights"? we still invaded and took the land, which is something u said we never did. so which is it? stop contradicting yourself.
in the battle of wounded knee we attacked the oglala lakota on their reservation (their country) who where conducting a religious ceremony. at least 150 men, women, and children were killed. in the end, most of the land was taken and their right practice their own religion was outlawed. so much for freedom of religion.
in the great sioux uprising, german settlers where forming a town (mankato, MN) on a indian reservation. also the gov't was not providing the rations promised in the treaty and indians were starving. when the indians tried to drive out the settlers, the US gov't invaded their country. in the end, not only was all the land seized, but also the largest mass execution in US history took place, when 38 men where hung all at once, for protecting their homeland and their people.
let alone what u said about the spanish american war and civil war was completely wrong.
stop contradicting yourself and admit you are wrong on this one.
This is all you got in response to my query? The Indians, the Confederate slave owners and the Spanish in the Mexican American War. Did you know that the Indians waged fairly regular wars for conquest against other Indians and that the Spanish, well, how did they get Mexico anyway? I won't even bother pointing out that the Confederate States of the America were an illegal organization.
You're busted. You made up bullshit and you can't back it up so you move goalposts. First it was sweatshops in Vietnam and now this stupidity.
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what am i busted on? stating historical facts? get lost, u never say anything but: 'your wrong, i'm right!' my daughter is more mature then u, and she isn't even in pre-school.
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well, using your logic, Canada could claim Glacier National Park. it doesn't belong to anyone.
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dood, any thing and every thing i say u will just disagree with, with no proof what so ever. u may be the first user i put on ignore.
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Get over it. Debate or find something else to do. Don't expect him to be convinced a wit more than you are convinced by his arguments. Which by the way he usually has one and can produce some evidence for his views.
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i am debating, and i am finding something else to do. and he has produced no evidence for his views regarding this manor, and simply dismisses the evidence i have provided. that is not debating, it's arguing.
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If you say, "Obama is a fucking moron", I will not disagree with you. If you say, "Frank Zappa was a great musician", I will agree with you. But when you write utterly nonsensical parrot posts I will hammer you. The unfortunate thing for you is that almost everything you post is a parroted bit of nonsense gleaned from the more deranged and defective fringe of contemporary thought. ESPECIALLY the nonsense about the Indians.
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no. i have provided historical facts that u dismiss.
the only moron in politics i can think of is GHWB. they are all however, in my opinion, puppets. frank zappa was nothing without the mothers. just as george clinton is nothing without the p-funk.
i have done a lot of reading about wounded knee and the great sioux uprising. i would love for u to prove me wrong. try, provide some facts as i have done.
gotta pack for the MN gathering. i won't be back until sunday, u have lots of time to read up on these events.
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frank zappa was nothing without the mothers.
What? What? What? My God man can you even hear what comes out of your mouth?
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musical taste is a strange thing my friend, imagine a world where we all liked the exact same music. rather boring wouldn't u say?
for the record i have 6 frank zappa albums. their ok.
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Doesn't matter if you like Zappa or not. However saying he was nothing without the rest of the band is so fucking wrong. Check out his double album Shut up and Play your Guitar for a taste of his solo genius.
You said he was nothing without them.
While I don't disagree with everything you say here, your presentation sucks, you won't often back your claims, and you lose credibility when you go over the edge such as your Zappa statement. Not to mention you are always fucking whining.
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You said he was nothing without them. 
The Mothers were a rotating agglomeration of mostly studio musicians who did exactly as they were told. By Frank.Quote:
While I don't disagree with everything you say here, your presentation sucks, you won't often back your claims, and you lose credibility when you go over the edge such as your Zappa statement. Not to mention you are always fucking whining. 
I asked a specific question and he gives a nonsense answer that has nothing to do with it. Because he can't. Wounded Knee? That has nothing to do with the US militarily expropriating resources in the places I mentioned. AIM and Russel Means can go fuck themselves.
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closed veil said: i am debating, and i am finding something else to do. and he has produced no evidence for his views regarding this manor, and simply dismisses the evidence i have provided. that is not debating, it's arguing.
That's all it ever is, but ill be damned if you're ever wrong you'll be damn sure they'll have mountains of evidence to use against you. Until that point though it is simply ignoring what you way and claiming your wrong. Its humorous really
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well, using your logic, Canada could claim Glacier National Park. it doesn't belong to anyone.
Your right they could, have you not heard about the nations going to the areas in the Arctic circle in recent years and claiming land that no one else has?
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That's all it ever is, but ill be damned if you're ever wrong you'll be damn sure they'll have mountains of evidence to use against you. Until that point though it is simply ignoring what you way and claiming your wrong. Its humorous really
If you go through all of the posts I have been debating with you, closed and falcon in, you will see that almost every question you folks have asked of me, or statements you have made I have responded to, and have given my case and reasoning behind it. You folks on the other hand respond with, your stupid, and asshole, you do not know what you are talking about, to the vast majority of questions asked of you. Not just from myself but others as well. Please consider this when making claims that others have ignored your questions, and not include me in this statement. If you do find questions that IO have not responded to bring them to my attention and I will address them as soon as possible. Until then, stop hating on those that have answered with statements with substance and evidence. Maybe you do not know how, if so, please ask. I am sure many here would be willing to help you and the others learn.
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That's all it ever is, but ill be damned if you're ever wrong you'll be damn sure they'll have mountains of evidence to use against you. Until that point though it is simply ignoring what you way and claiming your wrong. Its humorous really
If you go through all of the posts I have been debating with you, closed and falcon in, you will see that almost every question you folks have asked of me, or statements you have made I have responded to, and have given my case and reasoning behind it. You folks on the other hand respond with, your stupid, and asshole, you do not know what you are talking about, to the vast majority of questions asked of you. Not just from myself but others as well. Please consider this when making claims that others have ignored your questions, and not include me in this statement. If you do find questions that IO have not responded to bring them to my attention and I will address them as soon as possible. Until then, stop hating on those that have answered with statements with substance and evidence. Maybe you do not know how, if so, please ask. I am sure many here would be willing to help you and the others learn.
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That's all it ever is, but ill be damned if you're ever wrong you'll be damn sure they'll have mountains of evidence to use against you. Until that point though it is simply ignoring what you way and claiming your wrong. Its humorous really
If you go through all of the posts I have been debating with you, closed and falcon in, you will see that almost every question you folks have asked of me, or statements you have made I have responded to, and have given my case and reasoning behind it. You folks on the other hand respond with, your stupid, and asshole, you do not know what you are talking about, to the vast majority of questions asked of you. Not just from myself but others as well. Please consider this when making claims that others have ignored your questions, and not include me in this statement. If you do find questions that IO have not responded to bring them to my attention and I will address them as soon as possible. Until then, stop hating on those that have answered with statements with substance and evidence. Maybe you do not know how, if so, please ask. I am sure many here would be willing to help you and the others learn.
Get used to it. Alligator skin is also helpful.
Thanks Zappa, but I am used to it. I have been getting flack for my views since I was in middle school. I am and have been used to this type of cowardice since around that time. The first debate I remember this happening in was with my philosophy teacher in high school over the use of deadly force upon civilians whom support a military waged in combat against us. She thought it was immoral and when I argued the fact that it was not only just, but necessary she not only refused to answer but had me removed from the class permanently. Oh well, no alligator skin needed, unless it is on my cowboy boots.
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I know, I know, I should not lie about this, you know because you are a physcic, what was I thinking trying to pull one over on you ShroomyD'oh. Can you pleae remind me of what happened? I seem to forget being cslled to the principal soffice and told I had to pick a new elective class. What did I really do again? But since it is a lie, please debate the fact that when a country attacks us that we should not wage war against the citizens of said nation if they are supporting the people killing our citizens. I forgot I only started believing in indivdual rights yesterday.
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Interesting - that was Osama Bin Laden's argument.
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Interesting - that was Osama Bin Laden's argument.
Maybe this just points out the obvious in human nature and the nature of the world. We are all trying to expand in some way and resist others who would expand into us. There are no good guys. There is just what is.
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again zappa, i was not addressing u. i quoted another user, that means i was addressing him. i provided an answer to his question not yours. and you have not backed up any of your claims and simply dismiss everything i post, with no evidence what so ever, only your personal beliefs. you are arguing. i don't like to argue, nothing ever gets done. if u wish to back up your statements with any amount of historical facts, we can debate. but there are far too many bad vibes in this room as a whole, if u wish to argue, u can do it with someone else.
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so your saying no-one has an honest debate, in this forum, u all just fight and argue? that is why so many ppl don't get involved in politics.
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well, using your logic, Canada could claim Glacier National Park. it doesn't belong to anyone.
Your right they could, have you not heard about the nations going to the areas in the Arctic circle in recent years and claiming land that no one else has?
dood, a national park is land owned by the gov't, why are u bringing up land not owned by any nation in the arctic circle. 
u con't to change the subject every time someone makes a point that your arguement is flawed.
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We're did I say any of that?
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I think if you look at my last response in the economy thread, it'll pretty much sum up the opinion I've had the entire time
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i don't think i'm in that thread, i was talking about the two thread i'm in, in this room
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yep we're free.
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i'm not arguing that in anyway, i just find they way people of authority free like they have the freedom to take away our rights on their whim very disturbing.
getting tased is fucked up enough, but to get tased when your not resisting, that is insane!
i've seen it happen in person twice, once the kid was tripping and not resisting, the other time the guy was drunk and not resisting.
you've talked to people who are drunk and tripping right? sure it can be frustrating, but for a cop to tase someone because he's getting frustrated should be highly illegal, like going to prison for many years illegal.
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Some people are assholes. Duh. Is there anything in those videos that speak to a systemic problem? No. Nor did they have anything at all to do with the post you ostensibly responded to. Name another country that is more free. Regarding speech the Shroomery is less free than the US.
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well you are right about that, if nothing else
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I understand, I just don't want to re-post the wall of text threads I made in this thread, and was just saying it'd be easier to read what I said there. but no matter.
I see it one way, when you are poor, and someone else is rich, and the guy complains, he says "quit complaining, and get back to work" ok fair enough
when you are poor, and some rich guy is poor now, and he is complaining, and he wants you to work harder so his world can be more fair even though you don't know him, I feel it's quite fair to say "quit complaining, and get back to work."
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uh, right off the top of my head, canada, the UK.
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uh, right off the top of my head, canada, the UK.
Really? In Canada they have these Human Rights Commissions where you can be hauled before a court for saying that Islamic nutcases are murdering pieces of shit and the government will pay for the prosecution. In the UK you can be called to libel court for almost nothing and lose the case even if what you say is true and even if you didn't publish the book in the UK.
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in american the patriot act violates most of the constitution and the bill of rights. you can been held, without being charged or tried for a crime, indefinitely.
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The Patriot Act doesn't do any such thing, F. Lee.
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well i have given no more or less proof then u did, but i didn't simply dismiss what you posted as a lie.
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Which do you doubt? The Canadian Human Rights Commissions or libel tourism in the UK?
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i didn't say i doubted either one. what makes you doubt what i posted?
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What thing? That the Patriot Act is unconstitutional? It's been around for quite some time, keeps getting renewed and is still law. One would think that the fact that it is still the law and has been passed several times now it would seem to be acceptably permissible. Unless one were so arrogant to believe that his sociology degree lends him a particularly pungent, unique, relevant, trenchant, insightful and piercing legal interpretation that has somehow eluded almost all of the actually educated observers.
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so your just going to insult me instead of proving me wrong or your self right?
zappa declares it, it is so.
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so your just going to insult me instead of proving me wrong or your self right?
zappa declares it, it is so.
zappa is never wrong man.
do you doubt that if you are in the army, and that you slander the army constantly, that instead of just being kicked out of the army, that they could hold you in the brig indefinitely? does that seem constitutional, with freedom of speech? funny.
in certain ways, the united states is the best country in the world, the freedom of speech here is profound. only a few other countries have such amendments. I mean, 50 cent brags about how many people he kills in his songs, and says fuck the d.a. and won't go to court with these statements as admissible evidence, because he is using these phrases lyrically. have these things not happened? 2 weeks after he was shot by mike Tyson's former body guard, Mike Tyson's bodyguard was shot. in a song 50 cent claims "see he got hit to, but he aint fucking breathing"
seems pretty interesting that would be admissible evidence in court, 50 cent bragging about a murder. but no way, freedom of speech.
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uh, right off the top of my head, canada, the UK.
What about not gun bans in the UK, or the cameras all over the country watching people? Maybe you should read about that. hear is some info on how they are free to act in their own self interest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#1997_Firearms_Act
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what about the fact that u said....
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....and when i gave examples of how you where wrong, you brushed it off because "indians didn't understand property rights." and have ignored the point ever since. indian nations were countries, the US invaded them for the land. we tried to hunt the buffalo into extinction to force the plains tribes to change their way of life, we drove the cherokee nation out of their homeland and into the dessert, we drove the dakota out of minnesota because they were defending their own land (recognized as a nation, a country, as their land, by the US gov't)from invading german settlers. these are only a few examples of how your statement is false. are you gonna sight manifest destiny of something? this happened and you claimed it did not. explain.
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....and when i gave examples of how you where wrong, you brushed it off because "indians didn't understand property rights." and have ignored the point ever since. indian nations were countries, the US invaded them for the land. we tried to hunt the buffalo into extinction to force the plains tribes to change their way of life, we drove the cherokee nation out of their homeland and into the dessert, we drove the dakota out of minnesota because they were defending their own land (recognized as a nation, a country, as their land, by the US gov't)from invading german settlers. these are only a few examples of how your statement is false. are you gonna sight manifest destiny of something? this happened and you claimed it did not. explain.
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a treaty can only be made with another nation, or country. native americans didn't get the right to US citizenship until 1924. what part of they where, and are, "another" country don;t you understand?
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He understands it all, but nitpicking semantics is his only consolation of being wrong.
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closed veil said: a treaty can only be made with another nation, or country. native americans didn't get the right to US citizenship until 1924. what part of they where, and are, "another" country don;t you understand?
It's America. Do you think the Americans invaded the Iroquois Nation?
Just fucking stop. They weren't another country. You just called them native Americans.
Of course this was all total distraction and obfuscation from your bullshit in this thread that you got busted on. Let's start here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14608224#14608224
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closed veil said: or maybe they are safe because they don't send troops around the world and bully other countries out of there natural resources.
So what did we get from Vietnam? What about Iraq back in 1990? Did we get anything for stopping Japan and Germany? NO we loaned them money to rebuild. Did we get anything for helping in Kosovo? No we aided humans in need at our expense, evil military I tell you, stopping genocide should be a crime!
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im with these guys... tax cuts DO in fact create jobs its crazy but a fact of life.i think the government needs to be much more efficient before ask for money. you dont go to the bank and get a loan after you lost the money they gave you on your last loan. the gov't thinks there is an unlimited money supply. shit dont work like that. businesses need to make cuts and what not but gov't doesn't? it does but sorta but the gov't doesnt run itself like a business
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i don't 'think' this, it is what happened. as i have said, no-less then 3 times, a treaty can only be made with another nation, so by signing a treaty with an indian tribe, the US gov't was admitting that they are a nation.
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zappaisgod said: Just fucking stop. They weren't another country. You just called them native Americans.
i said "native american's" to indicate people who where here before europeans arrived, and not people from the nation of india.
i will say again that a treaty can only be made with another country, so you are wrong, they where and are another country, just because they didn't have the same formalised gov't as we did made them no-less of a country.
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Your bullshit is never ending.
1. zappa, i have stated several historical facts to prove you and others wrong, and you dismiss them with no proof at all. it seems like you are the one making a distraction.
2. the amount of historical facts that i could provide to prove others wrong could be never-ending. you con't to dismiss the truth, the facts, insult others and prove nothing. it's getting very old. this forum should not be called "Political Discussion" it should be called "assholes arguing"
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It's America. Do you think the Americans invaded the Iroquois Nation?
Just fucking stop. They weren't another country. You just called them native Americans.
Of course this was all total distraction and obfuscation from your bullshit in this thread that you got busted on. Let's start here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14608224#14608224
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So what did we get from Vietnam? What about Iraq back in 1990? Did we get anything for stopping Japan and Germany? NO we loaned them money to rebuild. Did we get anything for helping in Kosovo? No we aided humans in need at our expense, evil military I tell you, stopping genocide should be a crime!
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closed veil said: i never said anything about WW2. once again twisting. i'm talking current events, not a war that happened over 60 years ago.
Your bullshit is never ending.
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i don't 'think' this, it is what happened. as i have said, no-less then 3 times, a treaty can only be made with another nation, so by signing a treaty with an indian tribe, the US gov't was admitting that they are a nation.
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i said "native american's" to indicate people who where here before europeans arrived, and not people from the nation of india.
i will say again that a treaty can only be made with another country, so you are wrong, they where and are another country, just because they didn't have the same formalised gov't as we did made them no-less of a country.
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Your bullshit is never ending.
1. zappa, i have stated several historical facts to prove you and others wrong, and you dismiss them with no proof at all. it seems like you are the one making a distraction.
I quoted a historical fact. That fact was that you blew a bunch of shit out your ass, got called on it, diverted it into something else entirely because you got busted and persist in attempting to Weiner the debate into something it wasn't. What historical fact did you present to prove me wrong about what? You made an asinine statement that we bullied and invaded nations and then later clarified you only were talking about recent history and not WW2. Now it's the fucking Indians? Spare me.Quote:
2. the amount of historical facts that i could provide to prove others wrong could be never-ending. you con't to dismiss the truth, the facts, insult others and prove nothing. it's getting very old. this forum should not be called "Political Discussion" it should be called "assholes arguing"
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what am i whining about? what did i blow out of my ass? what did i get busted on? and what evidence have you provided to back-up anything that you have said?
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So what did we get from Vietnam? What about Iraq back in 1990? Did we get anything for stopping Japan and Germany? NO we loaned them money to rebuild. Did we get anything for helping in Kosovo? No we aided humans in need at our expense, evil military I tell you, stopping genocide should be a crime!
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Posted for the third time. Which you redirected into bullshit about sweatshops in Vietnam and land confiscations from the Indians.
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The back and forth is interesting, I'm sure, but can we please get back on topic of the Bush tax cuts?
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Impossible because there is no possible way to have any intelligent discussion with people who argue semantics over content (zappa). Words are being put places they didn't come from, and then they (zappa) try to use twisted statements against people.
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
They've always been good for the economy
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
There were no tax cuts. There were rate cuts. Tax receipts rose. Because the economic activity rose.
If you want to raise taxes and think it's such a good idea maybe you should go after the 50% of workers who pay none at all instead of fucking the people who already foot almost all of the bill.
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
There were no tax cuts. There were rate cuts. Tax receipts rose. Because the economic activity rose.
If you want to raise taxes and think it's such a good idea maybe you should go after the 50% of workers who pay none at all instead of fucking the people who already foot almost all of the bill.
Maybe if people got paid more they would pay taxes
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
There were no tax cuts. There were rate cuts. Tax receipts rose. Because the economic activity rose.
If you want to raise taxes and think it's such a good idea maybe you should go after the 50% of workers who pay none at all instead of fucking the people who already foot almost all of the bill.
Maybe if people got paid more they would pay taxes 
Maybe if they actually gave a shit about work they would get paid more? How about they just pay taxes on what they make now? How about they get off their asses and actually try to produce instead of scamming their employers? Maybe if they got paid more everybody's costs would either go up or the products would be produced elsewhere? Maybe we would get even more unemployment and more illegal immigrants?
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Maybe if they actually gave a shit about work they would get paid more? How about they just pay taxes on what they make now? How about they get off their asses and actually try to produce instead of scamming their employers? Maybe if they got paid more everybody's costs would either go up or the products would be produced elsewhere? Maybe we would get even more unemployment and more illegal immigrants?
We've already discussed with your pals that it doesn't matter how hard you work
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Maybe if they actually gave a shit about work they would get paid more? How about they just pay taxes on what they make now? How about they get off their asses and actually try to produce instead of scamming their employers? Maybe if they got paid more everybody's costs would either go up or the products would be produced elsewhere? Maybe we would get even more unemployment and more illegal immigrants?
We've already discussed with your pals that it doesn't matter how hard you work
You can discuss that walking on the sun is good for your health. I have discussed repeatedly with your pals that it does. Do you realize that your philosophy is a sentence?
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Maybe if they actually gave a shit about work they would get paid more? How about they just pay taxes on what they make now? How about they get off their asses and actually try to produce instead of scamming their employers? Maybe if they got paid more everybody's costs would either go up or the products would be produced elsewhere? Maybe we would get even more unemployment and more illegal immigrants?
We've already discussed with your pals that it doesn't matter how hard you work
Why do you feel entitled to anything more than the necessities to life?
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Maybe if they actually gave a shit about work they would get paid more? How about they just pay taxes on what they make now? How about they get off their asses and actually try to produce instead of scamming their employers? Maybe if they got paid more everybody's costs would either go up or the products would be produced elsewhere? Maybe we would get even more unemployment and more illegal immigrants?
We've already discussed with your pals that it doesn't matter how hard you work
Why do you feel entitled to anything more than the necessities to life?
Why do you feel entitled to anything other than the necessities to life?
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Maybe if they actually gave a shit about work they would get paid more? How about they just pay taxes on what they make now? How about they get off their asses and actually try to produce instead of scamming their employers? Maybe if they got paid more everybody's costs would either go up or the products would be produced elsewhere? Maybe we would get even more unemployment and more illegal immigrants?
We've already discussed with your pals that it doesn't matter how hard you work
Why do you feel entitled to anything more than the necessities to life?
Why do you feel entitled to anything other than the necessities to life?
I don't, that is why i don't bitch about rich people giving me more of their money.
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You either want the minimum wage to be raised or for your pay to go up, it seems to me that you do.
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
There were no tax cuts. There were rate cuts. Tax receipts rose. Because the economic activity rose.
If you want to raise taxes and think it's such a good idea maybe you should go after the 50% of workers who pay none at all instead of fucking the people who already foot almost all of the bill.
Maybe if people got paid more they would pay taxes 
So what was the point of that post?
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For some in this forum, it is to try to have an intelligent debate on different political issues, but you are obviously incapable of that.
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
There were no tax cuts. There were rate cuts. Tax receipts rose. Because the economic activity rose.
If you want to raise taxes and think it's such a good idea maybe you should go after the 50% of workers who pay none at all instead of fucking the people who already foot almost all of the bill.
what part of my post make you think i want to raise taxes? and don't say by letting the "rate cuts" expire and i am for raising taxes either.
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good point closed veil! i thought the same thing as the above poster but i stand corrected
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as someone who opposed to income tax; my question, to those who want the tax cuts to stay in place, is what evidence do you have that they have been good for the american economy?
There were no tax cuts. There were rate cuts. Tax receipts rose. Because the economic activity rose.
If you want to raise taxes and think it's such a good idea maybe you should go after the 50% of workers who pay none at all instead of fucking the people who already foot almost all of the bill.
what part of my post make you think i want to raise taxes? and don't say by letting the "rate cuts" expire and i am for raising taxes either.
That's a ridiculous thing to say. Letting the current tax cuts expire is the same thing as raising taxes. There was never a standard rate of taxation laid out in the constitution, it has constantly been changed throughout the country's history.
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That is a ridiculous thing to say that raising taxes is the same thing as a tax cut expiration
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That's a ridiculous thing to say. Letting the current tax cuts expire is the same thing as raising taxes. There was never a standard rate of taxation laid out in the constitution, it has constantly been changed throughout the country's history.
u are correct in the last part. ever read "perfectly legal"? it's a book about how that tax shift has happened. before WW2 most of the taxes in the USA were payed by the rich and corporations. after WW2 the majority of the tax burden was shifted to the middle class.
however, in no way is letting a tax cut expire raising taxes, they are being allowed to return to the original rate. they were sold to the american public as temporary after all.
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That's a ridiculous thing to say. Letting the current tax cuts expire is the same thing as raising taxes. There was never a standard rate of taxation laid out in the constitution, it has constantly been changed throughout the country's history.
u are correct in the last part. ever read "perfectly legal"? it's a book about how that tax shift has happened. before WW2 most of the taxes in the USA were payed by the rich and corporations. after WW2 the majority of the tax burden was shifted to the middle class.
however, in no way is letting a tax cut expire raising taxes, they are being allowed to return to the original rate. they were sold to the american public as temporary after all.
Bullshit, they weren't sold to the american public. They were sold to politicians in power. It was only made temporary to give it a chance at passing through the house and senate.
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The top 10% of income earner pay 68% of the taxes.
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Exactly, they are being allowed to return to the "original" rate. You are knowingly not extending a piece of legislation because you want the tax rate to rise. Also, please explain to me why the previous tax rates are the "correct" ones.
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i didn't say any tax rates where "correct" i said part of your statement was correct. the part i put in bold.
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All of my statement was correct, and you didn't respond to my argument as to why it was correct.
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I will be sure to watch your shitty conspiracy movie that no one has heard of.
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All of my statement was correct, and you didn't respond to my argument as to why it was correct.
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I will be sure to watch your shitty conspiracy movie that no one has heard of. 
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you do realize i posted the argument your making before you did right?
if my taxes are cut, and then years later brought back to the same rate they were before the cut, i wouldn't claim my taxes were being raised. it's a very weak point of view.
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if my taxes are cut, and then years later brought back to the same rate they were before the cut, i wouldn't claim my taxes were being raised. it's a very weak point of view.
They are obviously being raised. You do realize that raise means "go up" don't you? When the tax rate is one number and increases to a new higher number, that by definition is being raised.
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you are choosing to look at the issue that way, and are distracting form the issue by arguing about the wording.
it was a temporary tax cut, why not let it expire and return to the rates they where at before?
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if my taxes are cut, and then years later brought back to the same rate they were before the cut, i wouldn't claim my taxes were being raised. it's a very weak point of view.
They are obviously being raised. You do realize that raise means "go up" don't you? When the tax rate is one number and increases to a new higher number, that by definition is being raised.
Once again. We all get what you're saying. You can explain it twenty times twenty different ways, we got it the first time. Just because the outcome of a tax increase and a return to normal tax levels (in this specific case an increase) are the same doesn't mean the two means of a rise in level are anywhere near the same thing. Its all semantics because you have nothing else to debate with because you are unable to answer basic questions that you should be able to of you have any sort of conviction I'm your beliefs. Repeat over and over and nitpick tiny details to avoid a real discussion
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it was a temporary tax cut, why not let it expire and return to the rates they where at before?
Because higher taxes aren't good for job creation.
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closed veil said: you do realize i posted the argument your making before you did right?
if my taxes are cut, and then years later brought back to the same rate they were before the cut, i wouldn't claim my taxes were being raised. it's a very weak point of view.
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closed veil said: you do realize i posted the argument your making before you did right?
if my taxes are cut, and then years later brought back to the same rate they were before the cut, i wouldn't claim my taxes were being raised. it's a very weak point of view.
They are obviously being raised. You do realize that raise means "go up" don't you? When the tax rate is one number and increases to a new higher number, that by definition is being raised.
Once again. We all get what you're saying. You can explain it twenty times twenty different ways, we got it the first time. Just because the outcome of a tax increase and a return to normal tax levels (in this specific case an increase) are the same doesn't mean the two means of a rise in level are anywhere near the same thing. Its all semantics because you have nothing else to debate with because you are unable to answer basic questions that you should be able to of you have any sort of conviction I'm your beliefs. Repeat over and over and nitpick tiny details to avoid a real discussion
What are these basic questions that I am unable to answer?
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Because higher taxes aren't good for job creation.
i agree with that. any evidence that the tax cuts have lead to the creation of jobs on a level that would justify them? i haven't found any. Bureau of Labor: unemployment rates 2001-2011
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
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iThink said: Because higher taxes aren't good for job creation.
i agree with that. any evidence that the tax cuts have lead to the creation of jobs on a level that would justify them? i haven't found any. Bureau of Labor: unemployment rates 2001-2011
What are you standards for the "level that would justify them"? If you think they are not justified due to potentially lost tax revenue considering our enormous deficit, it doesn't matter. A slight increase in taxes isn't going to solve shit. The only realistic way to balance the budget is through the cutting of entitlements.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: 4896744]
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idk. it's like porn, 'i can't tell you what it is but i know it when i see it'
i would have to see some numbers.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: broken]
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"The late real estate mogul who reportedly once sniffed that “only the little people pay taxes”"
The real problem is that the super rich can afford to dodge taxes through various methods (my Dad was a lawyer and on several occasions had to refuse his rich clients who asked him to let them dodge taxes).
The fact that the people who have the most to spare (don't try convince me that someone who leaves $12,000,000 to a DOG needs every penny) are the ones that can give the least.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Haifisch]
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> The real problem is that the super rich
The irony here is that you are the super rich to the vast majority of the world. Compared to what the average Kenyan or Somalian makes in a year, you have vast sums of money that you can easily spare. Will you still be defending wealth redistribution when it is your massive wealth, humble as it may be, that is being redistributed to the poor in Africa and Asia?
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: > The real problem is that the super rich
The irony here is that you are the super rich to the vast majority of the world. Compared to what the average Kenyan or Somalian makes in a year, you have vast sums of money that you can easily spare. Will you still be defending wealth redistribution when it is your massive wealth, humble as it may be, that is being redistributed to the poor in Africa and Asia?
Completely agree with you, however I'm more of a National Socialist than a Globalist Socialist. Clearly though your point is that if, compared to others in my country, I was super-rich, I'd be reluctant to give. And while I'd say there are a lot of people in favour of higher taxes because it is convenient for them, you'll just have to trust me when I say I'm among the few who are an exception.
I'm a fan of Big Gouvernment, so keeping what I need with a little extra for how long/hard I work and for how long I've had to train to do it, and giving the rest to a Gouvernment that operates in my/my fellow citizens' best interests suits me well.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Haifisch]
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Seuss said: > The real problem is that the super rich
The irony here is that you are the super rich to the vast majority of the world. Compared to what the average Kenyan or Somalian makes in a year, you have vast sums of money that you can easily spare. Will you still be defending wealth redistribution when it is your massive wealth, humble as it may be, that is being redistributed to the poor in Africa and Asia?
Completely agree with you, however I'm more of a National Socialist than a Globalist Socialist. Clearly though your point is that if, compared to others in my country, I was super-rich, I'd be reluctant to give. And while I'd say there are a lot of people in favour of higher taxes because it is convenient for them, you'll just have to trust me when I say I'm among the few who are an exception.
I'm a fan of Big Gouvernment, so keeping what I need with a little extra for how long/hard I work and for how long I've had to train to do it, and giving the rest to a Gouvernment that operates in my/my fellow citizens' best interests suits me well.
Why do you feel like it is right for you to keep a "little extra" when people in Africa are starving? All your doing is arbitrarily defining what is an "ok" amount of excess luxury to maintain.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: 4896744]
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Seuss said: > The real problem is that the super rich
The irony here is that you are the super rich to the vast majority of the world. Compared to what the average Kenyan or Somalian makes in a year, you have vast sums of money that you can easily spare. Will you still be defending wealth redistribution when it is your massive wealth, humble as it may be, that is being redistributed to the poor in Africa and Asia?
Completely agree with you, however I'm more of a National Socialist than a Globalist Socialist. Clearly though your point is that if, compared to others in my country, I was super-rich, I'd be reluctant to give. And while I'd say there are a lot of people in favour of higher taxes because it is convenient for them, you'll just have to trust me when I say I'm among the few who are an exception.
I'm a fan of Big Gouvernment, so keeping what I need with a little extra for how long/hard I work and for how long I've had to train to do it, and giving the rest to a Gouvernment that operates in my/my fellow citizens' best interests suits me well.
Why do you feel like it is right for you to keep a "little extra" when people in Africa are starving? All your doing is arbitrarily defining what is an "ok" amount of excess luxury to maintain.
Why should I give a fuck about Africa? Stop bringing up irrelevent shit.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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> Why should I give a fuck about Africa? Stop bringing up irrelevent shit.
When you are a mod or an admin, then you can tell people what they can post about it. Until then, if you don't like it, say nothing or refute their claim.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: Seuss]
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When you are a mod or an admin, then you can tell people what they can post about it. Until then, if you don't like it, say nothing or refute their claim.
There is nothing to refute. Besides the irrelevence of Africa on this discussion, his claim does nothing but prove my point. Look at the most impoverished African countries and look at what small, weak government with no social welfare programs lead to -- shitty education, health, and overall quality of life.
You don't seem to me refuting any of my claims, so maybe you should post nothing by your own logic. There is nothing wrong with telling somebody to stay on topic, because it is impossible to debate when the focus of a conversation keeps being altered as an outcome of having no logoccal support for your previous argument.
There is also no logic in taking my specific national ideology and trying to turn it into a global ideology.
So please, if you have nothing of relevence to add to the discussion, then don't add anything.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14648621 - 06/21/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ithink wasn't even responding to you.
But just in case you are having difficulty following yet another point, it isn't about how much absolute wealth is too much or who is wealthy. It is about comparative wealth. The career malcontents and envy mongers in this country, such as yourself, will always point at somebody with more than them as being overly endowed while ignoring that in certain circles they themselves are heinously consumptive greed heads, selfish, with their hands out for more more more all the while contributing nothing but a low intellect whine that does nothing but espouse a take take take for me me me attitude. If you aren't willing to open your wallet to be plundered by the African and elsewhere poor, who have far less than you, why should we pay one shred of attention to your "gimme gimme gimme rich people suck" bullshit? Enjoy your self imposed life sentence.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Hey that was a fun read and all the better that I agree with it.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Ithink wasn't even responding to you.
But just in case you are having difficulty following yet another point, it isn't about how much absolute wealth is too much or who is wealthy. It is about comparative wealth. The career malcontents and envy mongers in this country, such as yourself, will always point at somebody with more than them as being overly endowed while ignoring that in certain circles they themselves are heinously consumptive greed heads, selfish, with their hands out for more more more all the while contributing nothing but a low intellect whine that does nothing but espouse a take take take for me me me attitude. If you aren't willing to open your wallet to be plundered by the African and elsewhere poor, who have far less than you, why should we pay one shred of attention to your "gimme gimme gimme rich people suck" bullshit? Enjoy your self imposed life sentence.
So should we start comparing our wealth to mosquitoes? Start giving back to them because we have so much more? If Africa wouldn't have been decimated by your all-mighty free market slave trade, maybe they wouldn't be in the position they are today. Or maybe if their governments could control a nation properly, they wouldn't be in their position today.
But we want to talk about comparative? In comparison to America, I don't give a fuck about Africa. Nowhere do you see me saying that global social welfare is in my agenda, or even that I support such a cause. But we don't have to worry, the conservative wealthy elite will continental funding their mission trips and supply boats as long as they practice Christianity, instead of keeping their own nation from impoverishment.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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zappaisgod said: Ithink wasn't even responding to you.
But just in case you are having difficulty following yet another point, it isn't about how much absolute wealth is too much or who is wealthy. It is about comparative wealth. The career malcontents and envy mongers in this country, such as yourself, will always point at somebody with more than them as being overly endowed while ignoring that in certain circles they themselves are heinously consumptive greed heads, selfish, with their hands out for more more more all the while contributing nothing but a low intellect whine that does nothing but espouse a take take take for me me me attitude. If you aren't willing to open your wallet to be plundered by the African and elsewhere poor, who have far less than you, why should we pay one shred of attention to your "gimme gimme gimme rich people suck" bullshit? Enjoy your self imposed life sentence.
So should we start comparing our wealth to mosquitoes? Start giving back to them because we have so much more? If Africa wouldn't have been decimated by your all-mighty free market slave trade, maybe they wouldn't be in the position they are today. Or maybe if their governments could control a nation properly, they wouldn't be in their position today.
Mosquitoes? What does any of that have to do with you being a greedy person? Quote:
But we want to talk about comparative? In comparison to America, I don't give a fuck about Africa. Nowhere do you see me saying that global social welfare is in my agenda, or even that I support such a cause.
That's because it is all about you you you and what you can get get get from me me me. I'd rather light a cigar with a C-note than give anybody like you a quarter or a job. That's right. I try to eliminate people like you in the hiring process and if I screw up I fire them right away. Fact.Quote:
But we don't have to worry, the conservative wealthy elite will continental funding their mission trips and supply boats as long as they practice Christianity, instead of keeping their own nation from impoverishment.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: zappaisgod]
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"Mosquitoes? What does any of that have to do with you being a greedy person?"
What does a starving person in Africa have to do with me? Nothing, that is the job for their government. You say you wont fill the needs of Americans, but you are talking about the needs of people on another continent? Atleast you used to be coherent in your argument, now you are grasping for anything.
" That's because it is all about you you you and what you can get get get from me me me. I'd rather light a cigar with a C-note than give anybody like you a quarter or a job. That's right. I try to eliminate people like you in the hiring process and if I screw up I fire them right away. Fact"
Oh the irony, you keep saying its all about ME when really it is all about YOU. "People like you" how many times do I have to tell you to man up and PM me and find out a little about me? You'll come to find that I'm nothing that you keep portraying me. "I'd rather light a cigar c-note.." icing on the cake.
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Re: Please let the Bush tax cuts expire. [Re: ShroomyJohn]
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You'll come to find that I'm nothing that you keep portraying me.
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ShroomyJohn said: "Mosquitoes? What does any of that have to do with you being a greedy person?"
What does a starving person in Africa have to do with me? Nothing, that is the job for their government.
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You say you wont fill the needs of Americans, but you are talking about the needs of people on another continent?
I want to support the people I want to support without the gun in my face. I don't want to support anybody like you. Only a man with a gun can make me do that. I mean that personally. Not YOU.Quote:
Atleast you used to be coherent in your argument, now you are grasping for anything.
You are no more coherent than a crazy man pan handling in Times Square. Almost everybody here can understand what I'm saying even if they disagree with me. You? Not so much.Quote:
" That's because it is all about you you you and what you can get get get from me me me. I'd rather light a cigar with a C-note than give anybody like you a quarter or a job. That's right. I try to eliminate people like you in the hiring process and if I screw up I fire them right away. Fact"
Oh the irony, you keep saying its all about ME when really it is all about YOU. "People like you" how many times do I have to tell you to man up and PM me and find out a little about me? You'll come to find that I'm nothing that you keep portraying me. "I'd rather light a cigar c-note.." icing on the cake.
Once again, I can't find anything about you through me sending you a PM. You have to send me one. I'm wide open. Do eet.Quote:
" Greedy greedy greedy."

You've never sent me a PM. I can't figure out what you want with that. I'm totally available to receive any PMs. Even Wiccan Seeker sends me Pms and we aint pals. So nut up, baby, and send me a PM if you want. I promise I'll read it.
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You'll come to find that I'm nothing that you keep portraying me.
Then maybe you should learn to write and think coherently.
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" Once again, I can't find anything about you through me sending you a PM. You have tosend me one. I'm wide open. Doeet."
Same goes for you. You wanted to know something personal earlier, I told you to PM me about it. You haven't. I have asked you nothing that requires a PM so therefore I will not be sending you one. If I had any interest in personal your matters to help me understand you better, I would message you. It is quite easy to see where you stand, not quite as easy to see where I do.
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You'll come to find that I'm nothing that you keep portraying me.
Then maybe you should learn to write and think coherently.
Kettle meet pot, pot meet kettle.
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ShroomyJohn said: " Once again, I can't find anything about you through me sending you a PM. You have tosend me one. I'm wide open. Doeet."
Same goes for you. You wanted to know something personal earlier, I told you to PM me about it. You haven't. I have asked you nothing that requires a PM so therefore I will not be sending you one. If I had any interest in personal your matters to help me understand you better, I would message you. It is quite easy to see where you stand, not quite as easy to see where I do.
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You'll come to find that I'm nothing that you keep portraying me.
Then maybe you should learn to write and think coherently.
Kettle meet pot, pot meet kettle.
I'm not the one who believes that people miss-portray me due to my writing.
I find you to be quite clear. Imma go PM somebody right neow.
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PileusSonofGalt said:.... We need to be able to deploy anywhere within hours because many countries want to destroy us because we are "free"
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