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Scientists create tiny artificial brain
#14587471 - 06/09/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-06/tiny-artificial-rat-brain-exhibits-12-seconds-short-term-memory
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"Scientists create tiny artificial brain that exhibits 12 seconds of short term memory"
It’s not artificial intelligence in the Turing test sense, but the technicolor ring you see above is actually an artificial micro-brain, derived from rat brain cells--just 40 to 60 neurons in total--that is capable of about 12 seconds of short-term memory. Developed by a team at the University of Pittsburgh, the brain was created in an attempt to artificially nurture a working brain into existence so that researchers could study neural networks and how our brains transmit electrical signals and store data so efficiently. The did so by attaching a layer of proteins to a silicon disk and adding brain cells from embryonic rats that attached themselves to the proteins and grew to connect with one another in the ring seen above.
But as if the growing of a tiny, functioning, donut-shaped brain in a petri dish wasn’t enough, the team found that when they stimulate the neurons with electricity, the pulse would circulate the micro-brain for a full 12 seconds. That’s roughly 12 seconds longer than they thought it would (they expected the pulse to live for about a quarter of a second). That’s essentially short-term memory. The neurons were relaying the signal in sequence, persistently, mimicking the activity we know as working memory (though admittedly we don’t understand it that well). The brain is basically storing the stimulus long after the stimulus is no more, which is a big deal for a tiny brain grown in a dish.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Legend]
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OMG... that is sooo fucking cool!!!
This experiment will be funded further im sure.
Creating a brain? Thats worth the research!
Humanity might not be doomed after all OR We are doomed cause we will create the brain the kills us
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Patlal]
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i wonder what that brain was thinking about
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: learningtofly]
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14587538 - 06/09/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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it was probably thinking
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Legend]
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Nah, let's not get over excited here. Memory =/= consciousness.
This is cool but I think we're still a long way away from fembots...unfortunately.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14587572 - 06/09/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, let's not get over excited here. Memory =/= consciousness.
What does = consciousness then? What do we look for?
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Nah, let's not get over excited here. Memory =/= consciousness.
What does = consciousness then? What do we look for?
yeah....what do we look for?
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: cdnshroom]
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I can remember my name for 12 seconds, prepare to be TERMINATEDAHUGHAUGHAUAUAGH
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Legend]
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: cdnshroom]
#14587727 - 06/09/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, let's not get over excited here. Memory =/= consciousness.
What does = consciousness then? What do we look for?
yeah....what do we look for?
In something that has no receptors to recieve stimuli from the outside world, I don't know.
I'm gonna have to blaze a bud and have a think about this one..
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Dosile Kouki]
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Well, it would have to have receptors to receive stimuli in order to have memory right? Otherwise, what exactly is 'it' remembering?
I agree though, memory, though necessary for consciousness, is not sufficient.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: limestoneman]
#14587764 - 06/09/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is so cool!!!
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: cdnshroom]
#14587814 - 06/09/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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fascinating
i can't wait to see what this experiment will develop into in the next 60 years. provided government has killed us all..
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: DieCommie]
#14587858 - 06/09/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Well, it would have to have receptors to receive stimuli in order to have memory right? Otherwise, what exactly is 'it' remembering?
I agree though, memory, though necessary for consciousness, is not sufficient.
Yeah, that's a good point. The stimuli are simple electrical signals and they seem to linger in the neurones... short-term memory. Many organisms have this ability, most (if not all) animals do... I think what we associate with higher consciousness is long-term memory, the ability to recall, at will, events that are long in the past...
I think what my question should have been is: "how to we measure consciousness in something that has no way to transmit stimuli to other consciousnesses?"
If we imagine for a minute that this thing is conscious, for the sake of argument. If this thing is strictly just a mind, an isolated conscious entity, then I'd imagine the only way to judge whether it is conscious would be to measure the electrical signals given off by its workings. But how can we be sure those signals, however ordered, are actually indicative of consciousness? We need something more, something that requires the mind to transmit stimuli to other consciousnesses, some kind of language...
I think language is the indicator of true higher consciousness. Consciousness may exist but it can't be proven without language...
I hope that stream of consciousness wasn't too hard to follow.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: LayinUp]
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I want some. Can we use them like spare tanks of gas. Maybe we can eventually plug em in when we are all hungover or lacking serotonin.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14587880 - 06/09/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: I think language is the indicator of true higher consciousness. Consciousness may exist but it can't be proven without language...
I think there is some truth to that.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14587890 - 06/09/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: I think language is the indicator of true higher consciousness. Consciousness may exist but it can't be proven without language...
i agree with this. it can be argued that all species experience and remember stimuli. however, homo sapien seems to be the only species that creates noises or squiggly lines to express and define models of the reality we see around us.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: LayinUp]
#14587894 - 06/09/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have high hopes for dolphins though, ESPECIALLY given recent research
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: LayinUp]
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I think there is some truth to that. 
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i agree with this. it can be argued that all species experience and remember stimuli. however, homo sapien seems to be the only species that creates noises or squiggly lines to express and define models of the reality we see around us.
For reals dawgs. Ah, I love clarity.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14587910 - 06/09/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i guess at the most basic level.. how do i word this
ok, so we assign value to words (squiggles on a page or verbal sounds) that relay to models (ideas) that we have of the world and how it works
so i guess what our species REALLY excels at is its ability to RELATE
we relate the written word "cat" with the spoken word "cat" and this calls into short term memory the long term memory we have of what we call cats. or something?
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: LayinUp]
#14587952 - 06/09/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's involuntary too. If someone says "cat" it's impossible not to conjure up the image of a cat.
The mind is strange.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14588054 - 06/09/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some gorillas have learned sign language does that constitute consciousness? Reading up on koko the gorilla gives me the chills.
If they could make a brain that could somehow communicate it would be scary as shit.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: phantomstranger]
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phantomstranger said: Some gorillas have learned sign language does that constitute consciousness? Reading up on koko the gorilla gives me the chills.
If they could make a brain that could somehow communicate it would be scary as shit.
i'm not too sure on this yet because of a lack of documentation and evidence
but my OPINION is that these great apes are not communicating the same way we do
from the footage ive seen, these apes seem to communicate a few words at a time, but never come close to composing the dynamic and complex sentences that we do
correct if i'm wrong, i haven't followed this facet of science in some years
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: LayinUp]
#14588099 - 06/09/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't done much research but yeah its mostly a few words jumbled together from what I understand. But it still shows that they are able to effectively express emotions like happiness, sadness, loneliness etc. even in a simple form it's still pretty remarkable.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Legend]
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This truly is a huge step in science, growing a brain... Imagine the possibilities, I think we're on to something here.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: phantomstranger]
#14588168 - 06/09/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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phantomstranger said: I haven't done much research but yeah its mostly a few words jumbled together from what I understand. But it still shows that they are able to effectively express emotions like happiness, sadness, loneliness etc. even in a simple form it's still pretty remarkable.
From what I;ve seen and read, Koko is very easily distracted when using the sign language and only has a very limited capacity for expressing things. I'm not even convinced that this isn't just a very advanced form of mimicry...
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin] 1
#14588178 - 06/09/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Koko is using language, IMHO. (Edit- was? She's dead by now, yes?)
But other animals are conscious, have awareness and feelings. Dogs do. Language isn't a requirement for that. Neither is memory really.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Doc_T]
#14588188 - 06/09/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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But dogs do have a primitive form of language. Pack signalling and stuff, that seems to be an indicator of consciousness to me.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying Kodo isn't conscious either.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Doc_T]
#14588195 - 06/09/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: But other animals are conscious, have awareness and feelings. Dogs do. Language isn't a requirement for that. Neither is memory really.
Cats also... I believe all animals have awareness and feelings, just on different levels than us humans.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14588197 - 06/09/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dogs don't have language. They don't manipulate linguistic symbols as symbols. Koko could use language to describe things that were not there, to make jof language.okes. She made up signs sometimes, she understood the abstract nature of language.
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#14588202 - 06/09/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Dogs don't have language. They don't manipulate linguistic symbols as symbols. Koko could use language to describe things that were not there, to make jof language.okes. She made up signs sometimes, she understood the abstract nature of language.
that may be true, but she never invented a religion
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: LayinUp]
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Legend]
#14588211 - 06/09/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn!! Anyone that has seen terminator knows we r fucked!!
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Doc_T]
#14588218 - 06/09/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Dogs don't have language. They don't manipulate linguistic symbols as symbols.
Not language as such, but definitely a form of communication.
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Koko could use language to describe things that were not there, to make jof language.okes. She made up signs sometimes, she understood the abstract nature of language.
That's cool. I didn't say that language was required for consciousness btw, its just what I see as the best indicator of consciousness.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14588246 - 06/09/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: That's cool. I didn't say that language was required for consciousness btw, its just what I see as the best indicator of consciousness.
I disagree. Watson the jeopardy computer understands and composes language perfectly, but isn't conscious.
Whereas a fish, by the definition of consciousness, is conscious, but doesn't communicate.
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Mad_Larkin said: That's cool. I didn't say that language was required for consciousness btw, its just what I see as the best indicator of consciousness.
I disagree. Watson the jeopardy computer understands and composes language perfectly, but isn't conscious.
Because it was programmed by organisms with consciousness.
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Whereas a fish, by the definition of consciousness, is conscious, but doesn't communicate.
I'm talking higher consciousness. Not simply the ability to react to stimuli, go back and read my previous posts.
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Mad_Larkin said: Because it was programmed by organisms with consciousness.
I don't buy that. What created us? Is the universe conscious?
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I'm talking higher consciousness. Not simply the ability to react to stimuli, go back and read my previous posts.
One of your other posts mentioned higher consciousness, but the post I replied to just mentioned consciousness.
Higher consciousness doesn't exactly have a definition either. It differs significantly wherever you go. How do we look for indicators of something subjective?
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: BothHands]
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Watch once they get a fully capable brain its just think" yeah ....I'm gonna need those tps reports k"
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You aren't going to find a single neuroscientist that would say there is a consensus on what 'consciousness' really is... But this is cool, its only a matter of time till shit gets insane 
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Legend]
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fuck yeah
if we keep tinkering with brains the zombocalypse is surely right around the bend

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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: mellowparty]
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Soon we're gonna have mini midgets with those brains @_@
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You guys are REALLY bottle-holing the definition of language - language does not have to be words, and it does not have to be spoken or written.
Art is a form of language.
Music is a form of language.
Any time you express an idea or feeling that can be interpreted by someone else you are using a form of language.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: pwnasaurus]
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pwnasaurus said: You guys are REALLY bottle-holing the definition of language - language does not have to be words, and it does not have to be spoken or written.
Art is a form of language.
Music is a form of language.
Any time you express an idea or feeling that can be interpreted by someone else you are using a form of language.
The problem with the internet is people can look up definitions and be tediously specific about their meanings.
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DosileFlynn said: they have created woman
now they just need to create artificial SB's that can be DS'd
in all seriousness though, great research being done... can't wait to see how technology marries biology in the next 20 years
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Art is a form of language.
Music is a form of language.
Any time you express an idea or feeling that can be interpreted by someone else you are using a form of language.
The problem with the internet is people can look up definitions and be tediously specific about their meanings.
I don't see why that's a problem. If your words don't have specific meanings, then you're not really saying anything at all, are you?
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: pwnasaurus]
#14591058 - 06/10/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: You guys are REALLY bottle-holing the definition of language - language does not have to be words, and it does not have to be spoken or written.
Language DOES have to be symbolic in nature and involve manipulating those symbols as symbols.
Art is not language.
Music is not language.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: BothHands]
#14592103 - 06/10/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: You guys are REALLY bottle-holing the definition of language - language does not have to be words, and it does not have to be spoken or written.
Art is a form of language.
Music is a form of language.
Any time you express an idea or feeling that can be interpreted by someone else you are using a form of language.
The problem with the internet is people can look up definitions and be tediously specific about their meanings.
I don't see why that's a problem. If your words don't have specific meanings, then you're not really saying anything at all, are you?
Words have different meanings to different people, trying for true semantic clarity is foolish and referring to a dictionary every 2 minutes is an excellent way to derail a discussion.
I don't see how you can take issue with the idea that language is an indicator of higher consciousness?
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin] 1
#14592127 - 06/10/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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But what is the alternative? Having a discussion where two people are using different definitions? That is a recipe for communication breakdown and misunderstanding. You cant derail such a discussion because it was never on track to begin with. Referring to definitions is a good thing.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: DieCommie]
#14592148 - 06/10/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: But what is the alternative? Having a discussion where two people are using different definitions? That is a recipe for communication breakdown and misunderstanding.
I'd say this happens in discussions more than we care to admit.
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You cant derail such a discussion because it was never on track to begin with. Referring to definitions is a good thing.
You're right. It's tricky but I concede that knowing specific definitions is imporant, it just seems a little bit tedious at times.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14592152 - 06/10/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: Words have different meanings to different people, trying for true semantic clarity is foolish
Dude, no. Just no.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Doc_T]
#14592227 - 06/10/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: DieCommie]
#14592318 - 06/10/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: I think language is the indicator of true higher consciousness. Consciousness may exist but it can't be proven without language...
I think there is some truth to that. 
Not exactly...Consciousness= life the brain without consciousness is just a computer ...Memory. I mean more than that but...Consciousness is the whole body as well... For example I could say that the heart is the seat of feeling, and consciousness...And the brain being used more between memory and intellectual thought etc...
Are other creatures not conscious just because they have incredibly smaller brains than humans?
I think the human brain itself is more complicated than the languages that we speak...For example, would you think without language? Yes, words are just spoken with your thoughts, words are tools, but not consciousness...
Consciousness is the will that drives the thought through the brain and the heart, all creatures are conscious
Humans are just a more advanced vessel of consciousness
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: TeamAmerica]
#14592338 - 06/10/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kool artificial brain tho
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: TeamAmerica]
#14592383 - 06/10/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I read somewhere correctly, even though we understand the science behind thoughts we dont really know how they work completely or something.
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Re: Scientists create tiny artificial brain [Re: Hakim0777]
#14593835 - 06/11/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Knewnews said: can't wait to see how technology marries biology in the next 20 years
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never really thought of it like that

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Hakim0777 said: If I read somewhere correctly, even though we understand the science behind thoughts we dont really know how they work completely or something.
not to be ambiguous, but for all we know about the brain, we don't know all that much
I think there's a better understanding of compartmentalized mechanisms than there is of how the entire brain communicates, and it's so fucking malleable that it can throw a lot of curveballs
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