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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: NikoK] * 1
    #14585980 - 06/09/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hi NikoK,

I enjoyed reading your "thesis" regarding the biological functions of NN-DMT. It is always interesting to gain insight into the workings of the schizotypical mind.

I was sitting next to my girlfriend reading your post laughing my ass off, I normally do not bother responding to any threads in this forum due to the fact that they are mostly all on this level of scientific discourse (the talking out of your ass level), but my girlfriend convinced me to give some thoughts on your "thesis" anyway. Since I am also a PhD candidate in neuroscience (neuropharmacology, particularly) Im sure you will find my input very rewarding.

Ok, lets get started.

- You believe the pineal gland is the link to the unconscious. Thats awesome, a few hundred years ago Descartes thought it was the link to GOD, needless to say, thank GOD science has evolved since that time.

- You state the pineal gland is located at the intermediate point of all sensory organs in the brain. Last time i checked my sensory organs (my eyes, skin, nose, tungue) where all where they are supposed to be, and that is not in my brain. Im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here cuz im a nice guy and assume you're referring to the thalamus, the input area for all sensory information to the brain. Regardless, hypothesizing that it is the hub of all "sensory composition" based purely on physical proximity to a region doesnt make sense.

- In the next paragraph you start rambling about sensory organs in the brain again, like i said before there are no sensory organs in the brain, ok? Trust me on this one. The rest of paragraph i read three times but it really doesnt make any sense to me...sorry. Pineal gland turning into primary sensory organ etc, come on man :P Plrease wiki "sensory organ" and find out theyre not in ur brain, ok?

- In the next paragraph you state: "This means the Pineal Gland interprets your waking sensory actions through self awareness, packages them into N,N-DMT" That is ALOT of information to store in a little molecule, care to elaborate on the exact process of how this works? Does the molecule attach to the target receptor and whispers it a little story in the ear that is then sent by secondary messengers to the nucleus to active gene transcription etc?

- About the hippocampus. ITS NOT  A DAMN SENSORY ORGAN HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL U THERE ARE NO SENSORY ORGANS IN THE BRAIN ITS SERIOUSLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF HERE. Otherwise you are about as wrong as you can be, the hippocampus is specifically involved in encoding and storing memory. It does not appear to be involved in memory retrieval.

- After this there is some more mumbo jumbo, it doesnt make sense at all so i have little to comment on that.

- The rest of your writings are so out there im not going to waste anymore time on it.

I would like to give you some positive critic in addition to all the negative comments ive given above but i really cant think of any other that at one point you write down the equation 18+18=36, which is pretty much correct. Nice going.

I wish you lots of luck getting your PhD, it seems like you will need it and it will be a long road for you.

Best regards,

Clicket



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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
    #14586043 - 06/09/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

While there is a definite lack of self-criticism evident with our friend here I would not label him a schizophrenic. I think this what happens when common sense meets a lack of relevant education and an introduction of new and interesting information about the chemicals of the brain.

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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14586053 - 06/09/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, he is gonna get a PhD, so how dare you judge his presentation in any way. :mad:


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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14586194 - 06/09/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Then there is the part about where he collaborates with some phd student he met on a potsmokers forum who has been working 12 years towards her phd currently (i think in america 5 years is normal). Interestingly in that time she has no publications as first author indexed on pubmed, so she is either the laziest phd student ive ever heard of or a fragment of his imagination..

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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
    #14586242 - 06/09/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well in all fairness i have to retract my previous statement, I first searched for this Hanna person. Miss May seems to have two publications and the first author of one (4 years ago). Something about crayfish or whatever. Either way, after 12 years this probably provides an interesting case study that potsmoke and graduate studies dont exactly go hand in hand..

Then again, when you are approached by people like NikoK and actually take them seriously that might also provide a sufficient explanation for her lack peer-reviewed material :P

Yo, NikoK, maybe you should try submitting your paper to Neuropsychopharmacology or Psychopharmacology. Maybe if you pour ur text into a scientific looking format with abstract, intro, methods results and discussion u might actually fool them into sending it out ot reviewers. Post the referee commments in here for lulz plz.

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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
    #14586329 - 06/09/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It still scares me that he has no inkling of the difference between science and pseudo-science. How is that even possible at his alleged level?


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14586712 - 06/09/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DMT does nothing for me. When I smoke DMT nothing happens. No visuals, nothing. The effects of tripping are a reflection of your thoughts. No thoughts, no distortions.




Sounds like you got some bunk shit, bro.


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
    #14586727 - 06/09/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, the loss of my involuntary visuals happened over time, and with all hallucinogenic substances the loss was the same. I can still have visuals if I purposely let my mind wander, but it feels fake, or like I'm lying to myself, then I snap out of it and don't have them anymore most of the time.

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14586758 - 06/09/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you are ready for datura...


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
    #14586779 - 06/09/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Weird... the more I relax and let my mind empty of thoughts the more intense my psychedelic visuals get.  Granted the more psychedelics I've done the more the visuals cease to astonish.


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
    #14586813 - 06/09/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Weird... the more I relax and let my mind empty of thoughts the more intense my psychedelic visuals get. "

Not weird, you're doing something different there. "Letting your mind empty" is a great way to get visuals. Its a metaphorical process that involves a lot of thinking, which makes the visuals more intense. What I do is simply look around me, at what is there. I let my observation replace my thought. When I close my eyes, I see blackness (or whatever the backs of my eyelids looks like), and while I can have visuals (even sober closed eyes means I can imagine things visually for me) I can always go right back to blackness.

Now, I'm not saying I'm beyond slipping up and letting myself fall into thought, I've been there. I'm just saying I don't feel like I can, I have no reason to.

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14586836 - 06/09/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've really considered taking that to see what it did.

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
    #14586853 - 06/09/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
"Weird... the more I relax and let my mind empty of thoughts the more intense my psychedelic visuals get. "

Not weird, you're doing something different there. "Letting your mind empty" is a great way to get visuals. Its a metaphorical process that involves a lot of thinking, which makes the visuals more intense.




Letting my mind empty entails the number of my active thoughts decreasing until I'm finally just observing without judgment or interpretation.  It's anything but a lot of thinking.


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
    #14586859 - 06/09/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"until I'm finally just observing without judgment or interpretation. "

At that point are there visuals?

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
    #14586876 - 06/09/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, and they're not only more numerous but more intense than when I'm engaged in thought.  Of course I only realize this when I've started thinking about it, which boots me out of the state and decreases their effect again.


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
    #14586951 - 06/09/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, and they're not only more numerous but more intense than when I'm engaged in thought.  Of course I only realize this when I've started thinking about it, which boots me out of the state and decreases their effect again.




Exactly, this is the same reason why I have had ego loss on two hits of lsd in a quiet dark room, and then a few weeks later been fully cogent on four hits of the same batch because I was watching youtube videos and talking to my friends the whole time.

Thinking and sensory input grounds you in reality.


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: 4896744]
    #14587044 - 06/09/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Thinking and sensory input grounds you in reality. "

You say this as if without it you fly off to somewhere else.

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
    #14587056 - 06/09/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So when you are relaxed you have more visuals?

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
    #14587076 - 06/09/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So when you are relaxed you have more visuals?




When I have less thoughts I have more visuals.  Being relaxed can definitely help this process, but I've had trips where I've undergone extremely intense experiences that were anything but relaxing and my visuals definitely spiked during these times.  :shrug:

Anyways, this is straying far from the original topic.


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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
    #14587087 - 06/09/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Meh. The thing about it is that I just can't say anything conclusively about it. Maybe next time I trip things will be different, I have no idea. :shrug:

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