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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586263 - 06/09/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
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meams said:
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realfuzzhead said:
Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.



you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?

lolol




Misses the point. We do not care if someone is a dictator. If we did we wouldnt support all the dictators that we do. What we care about is protecting private interest and prop it up to make it look like we are trying to defend injustice abroad.




As I have posted several gazillion times and which you can't seem to wrap your brain around is that they have to get particularly heinous for us AND MOST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD to actually do anything.

I sure as shit do not support this sudden Ghaddafi business.  He should have been taken out 30 years ago when he was actively insane.  He's pretty much been an international lamb for about a decade.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14586265 - 06/09/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Stable was probably the wrong word choice.  There is nothing more stable than a total dictatorship.  I, myself, would have gone with free.




:rofl:

You're having a laugh. Anybody who thinks we're trying to bring democracy to these countries is fooling themselves. We don't want countries to be democratic when 80+% of their people want IRan to have nukes.

We're just trying to install a new dictator who will play ball.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586272 - 06/09/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

looks to me like we dont declare war as often as you think zappa

http://www.johntreed.com/declarationofwar.html

and I UNDERSTAND IT WASNT JUST THE US DOING IT. but be fucking real, its not germany , nor south korea leading this shit. It's us, we sit atop the UN, we sell them the same bullshit we sell the american people, it doesnt make it any more justified.


and what else were they supposed to do to show dissent? fucking call uo Obama? Go to our media? what the fuck were they supposed to do?

Why cant we let them just fucking handle their irrational middle eastern politics in their own matter and why dont we fucking spend the money on building up our own infrastructure? You support building schools, and roads in iraq while our education system is failing and our infrastructure is crumbling?

And how are we not occupying those nations? how are we not occupying afghanistan and iraq? If some country had over 100,000 soldiers here and could do what they want, when they want Id consider us occupied.

in a world with no absolutes it is not our duty to install our morals and ways of life on people halfway across the world. Do you feel more safe now that we are going broke blowing shit up and losing lives in a fucking desert halfway accross the world?

Cause I sure as hell fucking dont' we are taking boarder patrols from here and sending them to iraq. We are taking young men and sending them there. We are diverting precious recources from a struggling private sector and blowing them up over in some fucking desert. I cant believe you are such a fucking pawn of the military industrial complex, but oh wait that doesnt exist right? its just some hippy mumbo jumbo made up because we hate war right?


zappa youre wrong. The brutality of the dictator has NOTHING to do with why or when we take them out. If that was true we wouldnt of given money to the hundreds of dictators that I cited in the post i directed at you. We do not care how badly a dictator brutalizes his people, unless it effects our interest.

if we did we wouldnt of given 100m to ghaddafi or we wouldnt of support Saddam at all. We wouldnt of supported any of the other fucking dictators either

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586278 - 06/09/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

was it right?  was it wrong?  :shrug:.

  But no pakistanis have hijacked a commercial jet, and no buildings have been targeted for demolition with people in them.  good tactic?  maybe so, maybe not - but extremely effective.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: vvitchdoctor]
    #14586293 - 06/09/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

15 of the 19 were saudi. So why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan?

and if we are in afghanistan, why dont we destroy the poppy fields? To ensure that our DEA has work to do and so our prison complex has people to arrest right?

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586335 - 06/09/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm

15 of the 19 were saudi. So why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan?

and if we are in afghanistan, why dont we destroy the poppy fields? To ensure that our DEA has work to do and so our prison complex has people to arrest right?





The poppy's are a boomin bruhhh

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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586338 - 06/09/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

PRISONER AND ZAPPA

WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE US USING WHITE PHOSPHORUS?U




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OfflineAsAboveSoBelow
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
    #14586375 - 06/09/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Two_Swarm said:
That image of the dozen dead bodies may seem extreme, but most people desensitize themselves to such things early on.. in fact violent video games were invented by the governments of the coalition forces to control the populations riot reaction to mass violence. So when it does happen, those people are REALLY shocked, when they get a limb blown off or like see a guy blown in half, still alive.




I dont know about that. Im pretty sure i'd have some problems if I saw someones head blown off in front of me and ive been playing violent games since I was 10-11 yrs old

PTSD from returning troops is rampant


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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: AlphaFalfa] * 1
    #14586379 - 06/09/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

WHY WERE THEY USING DEPLETED URANIUM



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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586387 - 06/09/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I always seem to be out when these debates go down. Should I be thankful?

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14586411 - 06/09/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sort of.

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Invisibleuber_aj
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14586430 - 06/09/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mad_Larkin said:
I always seem to be out when these debates go down. Should I be thankful?




Yeah nobody's mind ever gets changed, it's just the Pub vs zappa and Pris. If you don't like The O'Reilly Factor you won't like this shit.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
    #14586437 - 06/09/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:
That pretty much sums it up.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14586441 - 06/09/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

For real.

But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side
with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which
an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.

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InvisiblePrisoner#1
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14586448 - 06/09/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
PRISONER AND ZAPPA

WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE US USING WHITE PHOSPHORUS?U






"uh, um... white phosphorous... possibly napalm, may or may not have been used"


sure doesnt sound like he has a clue what was used

and what do I say about it... dont get it on you

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14586451 - 06/09/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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WHY WERE THEY USING DEPLETED URANIUM





WHY IS IT USED IN CONCRETE IN THE US?

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
    #14586460 - 06/09/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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uber_aj said:
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Mad_Larkin said:
I always seem to be out when these debates go down. Should I be thankful?




Yeah nobody's mind ever gets changed, it's just the Pub vs zappa and Pris. If you don't like The O'Reilly Factor you won't like this shit.





so you're saying you dont like the truth.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586467 - 06/09/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
For real.

But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side
with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which
an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.




That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.

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Prisoner#1 said:
so you're saying you dont like the truth.




:ilold:

Edited by uber_aj (06/09/11 04:33 PM)

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InvisibleMad_Larkin

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14586469 - 06/09/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

AlphaFalfa said:
PRISONER AND ZAPPA

WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE US USING WHITE PHOSPHORUS?U






"uh, um... white phosphorous... possibly napalm, may or may not have been used"


sure doesnt sound like he has a clue what was used

and what do I say about it... dont get it on you




Same goes for semen.

But yeah, I have to agree, that guy didn't sound like he had a clue. Also, I'm almost certain military code for White Phosphorus is Willie Pete not Whiskey Pete...

That being said, I've no doubt that it's been used as an offensive weapon in Iraq.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
    #14586538 - 06/09/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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uber_aj said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
For real.

But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side
with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which
an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.




That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.






:lolsy:


You are probably right.

:facepalm:


Maybe ill find one to join

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