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    #14579279 - 06/08/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello all! I am just finishing my first grow PF-style. Looks like i was pretty successful. Anyway, at some point, while the cakes were a couple of weeks along and not moving very fast, I started up 3 quart rye jars of penis envy from THE. Let me just say, i think i realize now why most veterans on here are mostly about grain, spawn, case fruit, whether that be in trays for a GH or SGFC or just on big mono. Its just so much more damn efficient. Seriously I used not even a full 3cc of solution on the rye whereas making 20 cakes I used around 18. more honestly because 5 didn't take and had to b redone so that was another 3-4cc. so I guess when this tub fruits i'll know how it yields and how to better maintain one. I'm really looking into mono's now that I realize how much more time and space i used on these cakes. But i digress.

So I made 3 quart rye jars about 2/3-3/4 full, with rtv/tyvek injection lids. I sterilized got em in the GB(probably overkill), sterile procedure, yada yada, about 1cc sprayed in each jar and the jar was shaken a bit to distribute spores evenly. In like a week they were showing aggressive growth. A few days later, they were at 20% and were shaken and put back into incubation. About a week from there, give or take a day or two, they were at 90% and my bulk substrate was made and pasteurized according to damion50/50's tek, but with a qtr cup of coffee and a qtr or hlf cup of gypsum, not sure, were added to the boiling water. I layered colonized rye into the coir/verm and placed plastic wrap on top leaving a wide strip on one side exposed. I taped up the open side with micropore tape and placed the covered tub back in my incubator. A week and 3 days later was the day before yesterday and it was 100% and had been for 3 days. I whipped up some 50/50+ with cal carbonate and no lime to case the tub with and put it on my perlite in my new SGFC i made. Here's what I was wanting to know, I sorta had to dig a hole in the perlite to place the tub down in so that there was enough room above the tub for the lil dicks to grow big and strong as the mighty oak, sooo... I have like 2-3" of the tub sticking out of the perlite, the rest buried and the perlite is pushed up the side of the FC in kind. It is staying at 98% humidity even with air on. It started some high spots that i recased today so its obviously still alive. just wondered if that sounds like it would work. I have perlite like 6+ inches up one side of the FC.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: mrnye]
    #14579499 - 06/08/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like it'll work just fine.

You could just make a dub tub or mini mono outta that one tub, though.

No need to shake a jar after inoculation w/ spores. You're actually making it harder for them to germinate.

No reason to have anything in an incubator. Room temp. is fine for colonization & light is great for mycelium @ all stages of their life cycle.

I'd recommend fully mixing the spawn+bulk substrate. I've never had a good go w/ layering.

Make sure you're fanning your tub in your SGFC too.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14579544 - 06/08/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: virus1824]
    #14579572 - 06/08/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nice new avatar you got there todlow :lol:




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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14579702 - 06/08/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nice new avatar you got there todlow :lol:




:winning1: you likes it? I do...:lmafo: gotta be able to have fun/make fun of yourself sometimes.




It is a good one! :grin:

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: don_vedo]
    #14584362 - 06/09/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks TL. I plan on going mono for my next project. About shaking those jars, I've heard to shake and not to shake right after injection. When I say shake, though, I mean just slightly spinning around the top bit of rye. This worked well for me as you could see growth in 3 days and at around a week they were 30% is and got shook up and were done a week later if that. Also with the incubator, my house temps fluctuate to much, I had some jars in a closet for like 2 weeks, maybe 40% colonized, and I felt that was too slow. I made the double boiler style incubator tub and the new ones I started finished in just at 2.5 weeks and are about ready to birth now I'm sure, i just haven't got space for em yet

This tub is showin myc heavily on one side now; not very thick yet, but over a large area. I should be fanning now? even tho the myc has such a small grip in the casing? Won't that initiate pinning? Don't I want the casing more colonized before initiating pinning?


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14584389 - 06/09/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nice new avatar you got there todlow :lol:




:winning1: you likes it? I do...:lmafo: gotta be able to have fun/make fun of yourself sometimes.




lol i figured it was a bet or something.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: k00laid]
    #14584787 - 06/09/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks TL. I plan on going mono for my next project. About shaking those jars, I've heard to shake and not to shake right after injection. When I say shake, though, I mean just slightly spinning around the top bit of rye. This worked well for me as you could see growth in 3 days and at around a week they were 30% is and got shook up and were done a week later if that. Also with the incubator, my house temps fluctuate to much, I had some jars in a closet for like 2 weeks, maybe 40% colonized, and I felt that was too slow. I made the double boiler style incubator tub and the new ones I started finished in just at 2.5 weeks and are about ready to birth now I'm sure, i just haven't got space for em yet

This tub is showin myc heavily on one side now; not very thick yet, but over a large area. I should be fanning now? even tho the myc has such a small grip in the casing? Won't that initiate pinning? Don't I want the casing more colonized before initiating pinning?




I wait to put my tubs into fruiting conditions until I see pins.

Are you referring to a pseudo-casing layer (like a small layer of bulk substrate over the mix grains+substrate) or a legitimate casing layer?


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nice new avatar you got there todlow :lol:




:winning1: you likes it? I do...:lmafo: gotta be able to have fun/make fun of yourself sometimes.




lol i figured it was a bet or something.




Nope, just felt like being funny :clown:


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14585024 - 06/09/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wait to put my tubs into fruiting conditions until I see pins.




Really? So you just consolidate the tuba after full colonization till pins start to appear? How long does that take? Thanks in advance, much appreciated brother!

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: don_vedo]
    #14585051 - 06/09/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its actually more common than youd think. but it takes some experience.

but in general, the longer you let the mycelium colonize the substrate, the more prolific the first flush will be.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: k00laid]
    #14585058 - 06/09/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wait to put my tubs into fruiting conditions until I see pins.




Really? So you just consolidate the tuba after full colonization till pins start to appear? How long does that take? Thanks in advance, much appreciated brother!

Lah'Kesh




Let's see...the last PE6 tub I spawned was on 5/26 & I dropped it into Fruiting Conditions on 6/7...so about 10 days :lol: That's @ 1:1 for 7 quarts of spawn it takes about 14
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its actually more common than youd think. but it takes some experience.

but in general, the longer you let the mycelium colonize the substrate, the more prolific the first flush will be.




QFT

You're allowing the mycelium to consume more of the nutrients in your bulk substrate & that way it explodes for the first flush when introducing Fruiting Conditions.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14585227 - 06/09/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Great to know thank you fellas I will definitely allow for a longer colonization period with my tubs! I noticed you both agreed that you get more prolific first flushes but what about consecutive flushes? Not as prolific? I guess it wouldnt be such a bad thing as you have higher chances of contams the farther along the sub goes. Do you guys just get rid of subs after a certain amount of flushes or keep them going until you have problems?

Sorry for all the questions just wanted to clear up a couple things I've been thinking about! Sorry OP not meaning to jak the thread!

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: don_vedo]
    #14585238 - 06/09/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

check my mono tub link in my sig "One flush Wonders"

check this statement by RR

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14584076#14584076


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14585250 - 06/09/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

basically the thought process goes like this.

your substrate has the potential to create X amount of mushrooms.

if allowed to colonize the substrate enough, it will put out 70+% of X amount of mush on the first flush.

as opposed to 30% first flush 40% next flush

etc etc.

fruiting space is often more precious than colonization space.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: k00laid]
    #14586045 - 06/09/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks fellas much appreciated. Great links TL I really appreciate them alot of awesome info. I am going with docT's msg set up, have a gh that I'll be fruiting in. I plan on following your procedure and letting the sub consolidate for awhile once it is fully colonized before fruiting to hopefully get that one great flush. I really like the idea it makes a lot more sense then worrying about contam issues on extra flushes, when you can just go all out an get a great one on the first.

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: don_vedo]
    #14586186 - 06/09/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks fellas much appreciated. Great links TD




Its TL not TD

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: UnnamedGrower]
    #14586277 - 06/09/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My bad edited that, thanks for the heads up brother!

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    #14586294 - 06/09/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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My bad edited that, thanks for the heads up brother!

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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14586303 - 06/09/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wait to put my tubs into fruiting conditions until I see pins.

Are you referring to a pseudo-casing layer (like a small layer of bulk substrate over the mix grains+substrate) or a legitimate casing layer




I mean like a layer of 50/50. The substrate was completely colonized and left for 3 days to consolidate then cased with 50/50 and put in the SGFC. Should I have waited until the casing was colonized before putting it in the FC? In the 50/50 instructions it just said after casing put the tray on your perlite so thats what I did and now I have light growth on well over half the casing layer. I think I'm just gonna let it ride and see what happens. It is colonizing the casing to some extent so its obviously not pinning underneath the casing or anything. Sound good? I'm high so I'm rambling a bit.


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Re: PE's cased and in fruiting. Am i doing this right? [Re: mrnye]
    #14621595 - 06/16/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I guess I did something right. I have pins!  Two are big already because they had already popped up yesterday morning but now theres several forming, mostly around the edges but some in the inner area of the tub. I think it'll blow up here in the next day or two and will hopefully be able to snap a bunch of pics.


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