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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586090 - 06/09/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Obama 2007




Its all business.



WhoaWhoa Whoa.

I just tried to take this youtube video and post it to my facebook profile.  A perfectly legitimate, not-spam video of Obama giving an official speech to the American Public.  It was BLOCKED by FB for being abusive/spamming.  What the fuck.

NOW THAT IS POLICE-STATE LIKE.  What the FUCK.




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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586103 - 06/09/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I was able to post it to mine Meams :shrug:

But that is weird.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586107 - 06/09/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ill try again.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586112 - 06/09/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
oh yeah you talked to him?




No.  I did not have the opportunity to talk to him.  But he told us why he did it, which pretty much every school child should know.
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You sure it had nothing to do with the fact that we armed the Taliban and gave them monet to fight the soviets , only to waltz out and leave their country in fucking ruins after the war? YOu sure it has nothing to do with the puppet fighting we supported during the cold war?




We didn't just arm the Taliban, we didn't ruin that country (which by the way isn't Saudi Arabia, bin Laden's homeland), the Russians did.  Inasmuch as there was anything there to be ruined.  They should have kissed our asses.  We didn't invade Afghanistan, the Soviets did:facepalm:
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you sure it has nothing to do with us supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected ruler in Iran because he didnt support US corporate interest? You sure it has nothing to do with us perpetuating the interest of our oil companies in the land of their ancestors? You sure it has nothing to do with us forcing capitalism upon all area's of the middle east, only for all the wealth earned to settle at the top and leave the middle and lower classes to bottom out?




Yes, since he specifically said it was because we had troops in his holy land, Saudi Arabia.  Forcing capitalism?  He came from one of the biggest beneficiaries of capitalism in the world.  Are you arguing he was some kind of Marxist warrior?  Holy shit that is some strange projection you got going on there, Komrade.
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You sure?  I think they had every fucking right to attack us. I think they have every fucking right to demand we leave their country.
We do not care about the civilians of other countries. We do not care about the torture or war crimes carried out by dictators across the world. We care about oil and other corporate interest.




Who has those rights?  Every psychopathic nutcase's wishes must be considered as the policy of their government?:flowstone:
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What pisses me off is that they sell it as if we are the greatest, most moral people on earth. That whereever we send our troops we grace with the gifts of democracy, that we fight for the rights of the people of this earth.




Well?  Which Iraq would you rather live in?  This one or the Saddam one?  Which country would you rather live in Iran or Iraq?
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WHICH WE FUCKING DONT. Thats what fucking gets me. They orchestrate and carry out lies to fool the american public into believing we are doing our moral duty when all we are doing is sucking the dick of fucking defense contractors




Oh spare us your paranoid raving "defense contractor" bullshit.  Endlessly ignored by you is that there were over 50 nations involved.  IT WASN'T JUST US.  Get that in your head.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586113 - 06/09/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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meams said:
ill try again.



Definitely not working.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586120 - 06/09/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wow i just did the same thing. that is fucking bullshit. Its an unedited video clearly showing obama lying to the face of the US public.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14586143 - 06/09/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

youre not worth talking to zappa. Have fun supporting us on our road to collapse. I hope you know that the next terrorist attack on our soil will be because of people like you. People like you who cannot step outside their narrow little mind set and consider the lives of the people we are fighting.

You are the most ethnocentric bastard i have ever met on this website. you have absolutely no consideration for the people of the nations we are occupying. For people a right wing neo-con you sure seem to support actions above our congressional approval. You sure seem to support a one-world military and crushing the voice of the dissent. you sure seem to think that america's boarders dont end at the the atlantic but stretch out to the middle east.

Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14586145 - 06/09/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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iwasaClown said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
and for the record, I do oppose these wars, I also oppose Kokesh's little
group of bull shitters making false claims, there's a lot of heinous acts
in every war but for these tools to lie about some of this shit is just
ridiculous, the claims of being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians goes
over the top because it's one of those orders that can be refused under
the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I have never known a soldier that
wasnt aware of it



The rules aren't always applied.
The Uniform Code might be the last thing in a solder's mind when they're being barked at to shoot someone and shit's getting real.





when 'shit is getting real', orders are the last thing you're concerned
about, keeping your ass from being shot off is, in a fire fight anything
shooting in your direction is an enemy combatant, and typically civilians
arent doing the shooting and are doing all they can to GTFO of the area or
at the least take some sort of cover, one of the many things you learn in
boot camp is target identification and acquisition, look for the flash,
shoot in that direction. if you're shooting at the flashes and civilians
are hit then there's 2 things that stand out in my mind as to what
happened, either the enemy used civilians as shields OR the guns the enemy
was using were carted off by survivors

both do happen as does the occasional civilian being shot accidentally
whether because they were a mistaken target or a stray/ricochet shot and
the dumbass that subscribes to the spray and pray philosophy and doesnt
give a fuck what they hit

any CO/NCO that gives explicit orders, as was claimed by this tool to
shoot civilians in their homes makes him a criminal, I suspect these 1200
jackasses shot anything that moved and fabricated their stories to try and
absolve their guilt for killing civilians

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586169 - 06/09/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.



you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?

lolol

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14586175 - 06/09/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pris I have the feeling that if someone you cared about got shot you'd quit your collateral damage rationalizing.

It's rare that an order will be given to kill civilians.

It's very frequent that an order will be given to kill "everyone".  Houses are blown up, folks are shot and it doesn't *matter* whether they are civilian or combatant because the people who can make decisions about specific instances get paid to look the other way.


Whatever, I'm not the one blowing up homes full of people.  That kind of thing affects everyone differently, but it affects everyone.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586178 - 06/09/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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meams said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.



you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?

lolol





It doesnt matter. Especially when this war is supposed to support "freedom and democracy"

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586189 - 06/09/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
It doesnt matter. Especially when this war is supposed to support "freedom and democracy"



It doesn't matter?

I'd rather have innocent deaths with the ultimate end of a more stable and people-driven nation, rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.

seems silly to think otherwise, right?

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14586193 - 06/09/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
any CO/NCO that gives explicit orders, as was claimed by this tool to
shoot civilians in their homes makes him a criminal, I suspect these 1200
jackasses shot anything that moved and fabricated their stories to try and
absolve their guilt for killing civilians



Interesting.:strokebeard:
I wonder just how many trigger happy douchebags are enlisted..i hope they're not the majority.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586197 - 06/09/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.

seems silly to think otherwise, right?



Yes, i understand in the short term during hte war, fear is rampant regardless, and it can be interpreted that we (the US) are a "strong hand of a dictator".

but thats not the goal, and without these actions, the same deaths would be occuring with no 'progress' at all.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586201 - 06/09/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
youre not worth talking to zappa. Have fun supporting us on our road to collapse. I hope you know that the next terrorist attack on our soil will be because of people like you. People like you who cannot step outside their narrow little mind set and consider the lives of the people we are fighting.




The collapse will not come from without nor will it have anything to do with foreign "intervention".
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You are the most ethnocentric bastard i have ever met on this website. you have absolutely no consideration for the people of the nations we are occupying.




We aren't occupying any nation.  You are a fantasist.
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For people a right wing neo-con you sure seem to support actions above our congressional approval.




I do not support our current involvement in Libya.  Afghanistan and Iraq were both authorized by Congress.
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You sure seem to support a one-world military and crushing the voice of the dissent.


I do not consider murdering 3,000 people an acceptable form of dissent.  Since we disagree so wholeheartedly would you consider it acceptable if I chopped your head off?
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you sure seem to think that america's boarders dont end at the the atlantic but stretch out to the middle east.




For the last time, it wasn't just us.  Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you not well?
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Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.




We don't deliberately kill civilians.  We protect them as best we can.  It is your pals who deliberately kill civilians.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586205 - 06/09/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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meams said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
It doesnt matter. Especially when this war is supposed to support "freedom and democracy"



It doesn't matter?

I'd rather have innocent deaths with the ultimate end of a more stable and people-driven nation, rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.

seems silly to think otherwise, right?





What makes you think that area will be more stable?? What evidence coming from anything
we have done thus far makes you think they will have a more stable environment there?
Or the way in which they perceive this country??

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14586218 - 06/09/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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iwasaClown said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
any CO/NCO that gives explicit orders, as was claimed by this tool to
shoot civilians in their homes makes him a criminal, I suspect these 1200
jackasses shot anything that moved and fabricated their stories to try and
absolve their guilt for killing civilians



Interesting.:strokebeard:
I wonder just how many trigger happy douchebags are enlisted..i hope they're not the majority.





it would appear that out of a total of around half a million that served in Iraq, there's at least 1200

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
    #14586221 - 06/09/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.



you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?

lolol




Misses the point. We do not care if someone is a dictator. If we did we wouldnt support all the dictators that we do. What we care about is protecting private interest and prop it up to make it look like we are trying to defend injustice abroad.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586241 - 06/09/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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meams said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
It doesnt matter. Especially when this war is supposed to support "freedom and democracy"



It doesn't matter?

I'd rather have innocent deaths with the ultimate end of a more stable and people-driven nation, rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.

seems silly to think otherwise, right?





What makes you think that area will be more stable?? What evidence coming from anything
we have done thus far makes you think they will have a more stable environment there?
Or the way in which they perceive this country??



Stable was probably the wrong word choice.  There is nothing more stable than a total dictatorship.  I, myself, would have gone with free.

How the insane perceive us is not to be considered except in the context that they will know good and goddam well that fucking with us is a bad idea.  That is the only thing insane maniacs can understand.  I don't give two shits if they sell us their oil, there is other oil to buy and drill here at home.  Enough, in fact.  Say, how has it gone with us taking over all of Iraq's oilfields, anyway?


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Humility]
    #14586250 - 06/09/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Pris I have the feeling that if someone you cared about got shot you'd quit your collateral damage rationalizing.




no relevance what so ever to the discussion

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