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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585940 - 06/09/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what sickens me the most if how the media ann military industrial complex fucking suck eachothers duck into tricking the american public into going to war.

They dont present both sides, theres no debate on war, theres just a bunch of god damn fear mongering and arousal to the tide of "patriotism" and before you know it we are violating other nations national sovereignty and the possible blowback is never fucking considered.

We are not ANY  fucking safer now then we were ten years ago. I bet we have doubled the amount of people who want to kill us. We never hear about the dictators of the world, UNLESS it is in the corporate interest to go send our young men to some fucking desert to stick our nose in someone elses business.


Im not a fucking idiot, obviously we need some defense spending. DEFENSE NOT MILITARISM. We are not the fucking world empire. We do not own the middle east. We barely even understand the middle east.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14585941 - 06/09/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?



Yep.  Kind of time to peel out of both of them, I think




Agreed but can't you just picture the scenario? Corrupt elections resulting in successive third party coups until the cows come home. THEN it will be another Vietnam.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585944 - 06/09/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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and for the record, I do oppose these wars, I also oppose Kokesh's little
group of bull shitters making false claims, there's a lot of heinous acts
in every war but for these tools to lie about some of this shit is just
ridiculous, the claims of being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians goes
over the top because it's one of those orders that can be refused under
the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I have never known a soldier that
wasnt aware of it



The rules aren't always applied.
The Uniform Code might be the last thing in a solder's mind when they're being barked at to shoot someone and shit's getting real.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: LayinUp]
    #14585947 - 06/09/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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like there is ANY "honorable" way to kill another human being





I do not think so. Even in self defense its an act that should never be praised.
You do what you have to do but these wars is not one of thos things.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585957 - 06/09/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What I don't understand, is why the killing of BInLdn was such a cliche AMerican play. THey knew exactly what it was gonna look like.

No American Casualties in the mission, what they didn't mention were the injured critical co-alition troops that were almsot killed.

THe compound was ready for the death ahead.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine]
    #14585961 - 06/09/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Caine said:
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zappaisgod said:
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said:
Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?



Yep.  Kind of time to peel out of both of them, I think




Agreed but can't you just picture the scenario? Corrupt elections resulting in successive third party coups until the cows come home. THEN it will be another Vietnam.





Well we have to do the right thing at some point. We need to leave asap. Or should
I say tomorrow. If they get taken over again by another dictator well then it is what
it is. Until they bomb our cities or invade or land we need to stay the fuck out of
their business.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585970 - 06/09/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:rofl:

man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..

fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks




Osama bin Laden perpetrated the attacks on the US solely because we had some troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia because of Saddam Hussein.  To protect Saudi Arabia.  Did you know that SA doesn't have a military worth a cocksniff?  Who the fuck made that cunt the ruler of Saudi Arabia?  His own fucking family despised him before anybody else did.  WE WERE THERE AT THE INVITATION OF THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT.  And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too.  Big fucking deal.  Go live under a rock.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14585976 - 06/09/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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realfuzzhead said:
:rofl:

man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..

fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks




  And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too.  Big fucking deal.  Go live under a rock.




Yeah, who was the last to invade our homeland?

Edited by DeadHearts (06/09/11 02:50 PM)

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585977 - 06/09/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug:

The whole area is a powder keg. If there is a World War III in the near future then it will doubtless have something to do with that region.

I think the argument is stale, though. We can all agree that we are in some unexpectedly deep shit and there is absolutely no simple solution that will leave us all feeling peachy.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14585987 - 06/09/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

China has a floating Casino that can hold a million people stacked up. Seems they are ready for the Apocalypse of global warming and mass flooding.
Still too worried about the day to things like owning a home, most Americans are helping family survive.
Yet, eventually, the saved things come to use and full fruition.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14586000 - 06/09/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh yeah you talked to him?
You sure it had nothing to do with the fact that we armed the Taliban and gave them monet to fight the soviets , only to waltz out and leave their country in fucking ruins after the war? YOu sure it has nothing to do with the puppet fighting we supported during the cold war?


you sure it has nothing to do with us supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected ruler in Iran because he didnt support US corporate interest? You sure it has nothing to do with us perpetuating the interest of our oil companies in the land of their ancestors? You sure it has nothing to do with us forcing capitalism upon all area's of the middle east, only for all the wealth earned to settle at the top and leave the middle and lower classes to bottom out?

You sure?  I think they had every fucking right to attack us. I think they have every fucking right to demand we leave their country.
We do not care about the civilians of other countries. We do not care about the torture or war crimes carried out by dictators across the world. We care about oil and other corporate interest.

What pisses me off is that they sell it as if we are the greatest, most moral people on earth. That whereever we send our troops we grace with the gifts of democracy, that we fight for the rights of the people of this earth.

WHICH WE FUCKING DONT. Thats what fucking gets me. They orchestrate and carry out lies to fool the american public into believing we are doing our moral duty when all we are doing is sucking the dick of fucking defense contractors

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586009 - 06/09/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no what Im saying is that we should respect other nations national sovereignty and mind our own fucking business.




Iraq forfeited it's sovereignity when it invaded KUwait, got driven out and surrendered under certain terms.  Those terms were not being met.  Not even close.  Oops.
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Does it not make sense to you that we are only making more fucking enemies? We are recruiting more terrorist by being over there and we seperating ourselves from ever havign some sort of reconciliation between western/eastern people.




I have never subscribed to the notion that surrender is a preferable response to criminality.  Nor do I believe that Saddam Hussein was a representative of the Eastern world.  WTF!  Did you forget that he initially attacked another Eastern nation that we saved?  Fucking hell.  Hold more than one fact in your head at a time, boy.
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We need to stop giving away taxpayers dollars to fucking dictators around the world (Saddam, Ghaddafi, Egyptian dictator, The Sha, Saudi Arabia, Syria)

They can handle their own fucking problems and every, I MEAN EVERY god damn time we go over to the middle east we get tons of blow back. Didnt want 9/11 to happen? Maybe we shouldnt have installed dictators over the Iran people after they democratically elected a ruler. Dont want to be terrorized? Maybe we should stop supporting the Saudi dictators.




Blow back?  How's this for blow back.  We have to deal with those fucking monsters over and over again because we never completely defeat them.  Germany is no problem.  Japan is no problem.  We fucking meddled there, didn't we? 
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People can handle their own revolutions and they can install democracy themselves if they want to, just like we got our own democracy. We should stay the fuck out of their business, especially if the only benefits we get out of it are making money for defense contractors.

fuck man. Where the fuck did we get the right to police the world? Seriously where in the fuck did we get the right




50 fucking nations were involved in both those issues.  It isn't JUST US like the nitwits like to present.  I doubt we would have done it if that had been the case.  Just fucking ignorant and/or forgetful.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586021 - 06/09/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I kind of view Osama as a spoiled brat who got way more publicity than he deserved. I mean, the dude comes from one of the most wealthy Saudi families in existence, but he decided to be the black sheep, and I don't know what attack you are referring to but I'll assume it's 9/11. In that case, there is no one cause, you guys could argue about them for years. Partially, he was a lunatic who made a plan that was lucky enough to work. Partially, the US did some screwing over. Partially, you can blame religious zealot behavior. You can blame the political games of the cold war. It's far too complicated to sum up these things in a couple paragraph post on an internet forum.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14586044 - 06/09/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
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realfuzzhead said:
:rofl:

man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..

fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks




  And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too.  Big fucking deal.  Go live under a rock.




Yeah, who was the last to invade our homeland?




Iran.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine]
    #14586046 - 06/09/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do you guys not see the Illuminati are involved and internationally orchestrated the events and executed anyone who ever mention the Illuminati or the thought of the new IGO.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
    #14586047 - 06/09/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

*International Government ORganization

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14586054 - 06/09/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
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realfuzzhead said:
:rofl:

man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..

fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks




  And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too.  Big fucking deal.  Go live under a rock.




Yeah, who was the last to invade our homeland?




Iran.




Oh yeah I forgot :rolleyes:

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14586059 - 06/09/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Blow back?  How's this for blow back.  We have to deal with those fucking monsters over and over again because we never completely defeat them.  Germany is no problem.  Japan is no problem.  We fucking meddled there, didn't we? 
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those are fucking different. Those were militaristic nations who directly posed a threat to us. Im not saying I did not support the 93 gulf war, they invaded kuwait,. We went in and stopped them. Why then did we only blow him up to be a dictator after that? Why didnt we blow him up when he was torturing his people before then? Why were giving him 100m in aid before that? Seems like blowback to me, we bought his weapons that he used against us. My point is we should not be giving aid to fucking anybody. We should not be supporting or fighting against anyone over there, its not our business and we always get blowback.

How can you even compare germany/japan to this? they are apples and oranges, the types of war arent even comparible.


why did we help kuwait but not Iran? Why did we give this "dictator" millions and millions of US tax dollars only to have to remove him later?

Why did we not go to congress for a declaration of war in '01?

Why did we support the Sha of Iran when they were clearly a very oppressive regime and were torturing their own citizens? If we care so much about human rights why did we defend the dictators or Saudi Arabia?

And why did we give aid to Papa and Baby Doc of Haiti?

http://tfclub.tripod.com/list.html http://www.tomveatch.com/dictatorships.html ; http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/02/a-reminder-mubarak-isn-t-the-only-u-s-backed-dictator/21262/ ; http://www.military-veterans-for-justice.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=13

those are a list of dictators who we take give taxdollars too. dont act like america is there to do fucking justice we are serving our fucking corporate interest and you fucking know it. We dont give two shits about human or civil rights.,

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14586063 - 06/09/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i dont understand how your so sick of the welfare system but you have no objections to us investing our money in metal and explosives, and EXPLODING those in a fucking desert. there is no fucking return on our investment. We are blowing up our moeny and making more enemies.

We are no more safe then we were 10 years ago. I dont understand how you can support us on our road to collapse.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14586085 - 06/09/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i dont understand how you are so against people getting money from the government but you dont give two shits about defense contractors and oil companies making money off of our tax dollars.

why cant we let them just handle their own problems? why cant we let them decide how to govern their fucking selves? We are like the parent who has a child who absolutely dispises them, and instead of talking to our child or spending time with them, we throw money at them and hope that they say nice things to us in our presence just so we can feel good for a few minutes,.

Once again, we are only recruiting more enemies against us. We are teaching generations of middle eastern people why exactly they should hate america. We are taking the lifeblood of our nation and sending them halfway across the world. We are borrowing 42 cents of each dollar to fucking do it to.

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