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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585806 - 06/09/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
since when is the US governed by the UN, sounds to me that the UN has many
conflicting charters, one that gave the Coalition forces power under the UN
charter and various resolution and others that allowed Anan to disagree and
call it illegal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441





We could go on for eternity

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14585813 - 06/09/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

because they have PR's inside the military and inside the military industrial complex. You bet your fucking ass they are going to be bias and make it out to be patriotic to not question your countries actions, to go halfway around the world to a fucking desert because it "is of the utmost importance to our national security"

They never show both sides. They never show the sides of the civilians. Its not just this war, its all of the times we have installed military dictators. You never hear about it. You never fucking do unless they effect our private interest and then the media simultaniously makes the guy out to be the devil in human flesh, rally up the american people by showing an american flag and then wee are off to protect our corporations.


Our national defense was not in jeapordy in either Afghanistan or Iraq. We can defend our country from here, we do not to fucking police the world. We are following the same path countless other empires went down on the road to collapse.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585825 - 06/09/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
because they have PR's inside the military and inside the military industrial complex. You bet your fucking ass they are going to be bias and make it out to be patriotic to not question your countries actions, to go halfway around the world to a fucking desert because it "is of the utmost importance to our national security"

They never show both sides. They never show the sides of the civilians. Its not just this war, its all of the times we have installed military dictators. You never hear about it. You never fucking do unless they effect our private interest and then the media simultaniously makes the guy out to be the devil in human flesh, rally up the american people by showing an american flag and then wee are off to protect our corporations.


Our national defense was not in jeapordy in either Afghanistan or Iraq. We can defend our country from here, we do not to fucking police the world. We are following the same path countless other empires went down on the road to collapse.





Quiet dude. Would you have it good here. Would you rather have been born over there?
You are IN right now. Doesnt it feel good? Put on a country
song and crack a beer. :smirk:

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585837 - 06/09/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:smirk:

I wouldn't like it if they had bases on my home land but we're america! we can do whatever we want, we are only looking out for the interests of GOD and of our wonderful nation. Them damn muslums don't know freedom from the broad side of a barn, and their stupid little SUNNII- Shiate dispute doesnt mean shit because it's not christian based. Its our right to go halfway across the world and mediate disputes that go back thousands of years and are embedded in the blood of these peoples, we can work it out with force.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585844 - 06/09/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, have you forgotten?

Bump this shit. right now.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14585865 - 06/09/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:

man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..

fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585877 - 06/09/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:

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zappaisgod said:
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unam sanctum said:
Yeah, the war has been so great for the Iraqi people



It has.  They actually control their own destiny now.  They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant.  Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension.  He was a vile pox on the planet.  Especially vile to Iraqis.




hey zappa its feeding time, big ol government just put out its teet with your name on it. What would you like today, vanilla or chocolate processed, dried and cut up reality?

How come saddam wasnt a tyrant when he invaded Iran? how come when he was torturing his own people before the kuwait war we didnt hear about it or do anything? How come we gave this dictator millions in aid, only to go against him when British oil fields are in jeapordy.?




Because it hadn't risen to a level that demanded international (not just US) intervention.  Duh.  British oil fields?  Fucking spare me that ridiculous canard.  They were Kuwaiti oil fields and regarding Iran let me point out that it would suit the living shit out of me if we destroyed their government too.
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Why did we leave this dictator in power after the first gulf waR? sounds to me like we were leaving us some work for the future. Youre full of shit dude, the Iraqi people have not benefited at all.


  Why was he left in power?  Because the UN is a conglomeration of cunts.  It was a mistake, I knew it was a mistake and we weren't in charge.
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Do some research about american supported dictators. Do not buy into this fucking "were installing democracy" bullshit. Countless times we have gone against other countries democrratic processes only to install dictators that are tolerant toward US private interest.{/quote]

I know all about US supported dictators.  Some are friendly and some are particularly vile.  You also have an insane notion that the US has installed any of them.  How fucking dumb do you have to be to believe, in this day and age, that the CIA is capable of installing anybody?
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Saudi Arabia, bam, terrible dictators, horrible regime, but we give them hella tons of aid. And the mainstream media who;s jerkin off the defense sector never says one god damn thing about how tyrannical Saudi's are. How come the mainstream media didnt tell us about the gruesomness of the Sha of Iran? Yeah the Sha, the same ones who our CIa put in power after the democratically elected ruler decided he wanted to nationalize british oil fields to help support the countries economic interest?




The CIA did not put the Shah in power.  They just helped.  He also stayed within his own borders.
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What about the Contra in south america? Huh? What about Papa and Baby Doc of haiti that we supported?




The Contras?  The Sandinista were better?  Fuck that.  I am not aware that we had anything to do at all with maintaining the Duvaliers in  Haiti. 
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We support dictators all over the place, dont dance around this fucking charade of bullshit that we are actually trying to help the iraqi people





Yes, NO FUCKING SHIT, most of the world is governed by dictatorships.  Some are friendly and some are not.  Most of them STAY WITHIN THEIR OWN FUCKING BORDERS.  By the way both Gulf Wars had extensive international cooperation and support.  It wasn't just us. 


I'm not sure what you are trying to get at.  Are you saying we should depose all dictators and enforce elections everywhere?  Because all you come up with is that some dictators are still around while we went after this poor put-upon thug indiscriminately.  Or we should never do anything about anything?  What is your fucking policy?  I can't wait to hear this muddled bit of nonsense.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585878 - 06/09/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We're really just a bunch of motherfuckers looking for the next mother to fuck.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585884 - 06/09/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

THe truth is, I've never been to war, never want to be. THat doesnj't mean I wouln't try to kill someone, if there were trying to kill me. Now a days, nations just errase people, like a bad dream.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14585888 - 06/09/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
since when is the US governed by the UN, sounds to me that the UN has many
conflicting charters, one that gave the Coalition forces power under the UN
charter and various resolution and others that allowed Anan to disagree and
call it illegal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441





We could go on for eternity





seems like the wars have

and for the record, I do oppose these wars, I also oppose Kokesh's little
group of bull shitters making false claims, there's a lot of heinous acts
in every war but for these tools to lie about some of this shit is just
ridiculous, the claims of being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians goes
over the top because it's one of those orders that can be refused under
the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I have never known a soldier that
wasnt aware of it

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14585891 - 06/09/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14585892 - 06/09/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

LOL

Pris and Zappa support the troops, unless they disagree with the thoroughly just and necessary war. Then fuck em.

Cause Pris and Zappa are always right.
:rolleyes:
You guys should go enlist.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14585897 - 06/09/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

Are you saying we should depose all dictators and enforce elections everywhere?  Because all you come up with is that some dictators are still around while we went after this poor put-upon thug indiscriminately.  Or we should never do anything about anything?  What is your fucking policy?  I can't wait to hear this muddled bit of nonsense.





LOL, hes not saying any of that. And as far as we never should do anything about
anything well thats not whats he saying either. There is plenty of shit we could
be involved in that is worth of our interaction. But instead we just invest our
time only in what protects our status quo. Which your mind is a slave to.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14585907 - 06/09/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no what Im saying is that we should respect other nations national sovereignty and mind our own fucking business.

Does it not make sense to you that we are only making more fucking enemies? We are recruiting more terrorist by being over there and we seperating ourselves from ever havign some sort of reconciliation between western/eastern people.

We need to stop giving away taxpayers dollars to fucking dictators around the world (Saddam, Ghaddafi, Egyptian dictator, The Sha, Saudi Arabia, Syria)

They can handle their own fucking problems and every, I MEAN EVERY god damn time we go over to the middle east we get tons of blow back. Didnt want 9/11 to happen? Maybe we shouldnt have installed dictators over the Iran people after they democratically elected a ruler. Dont want to be terrorized? Maybe we should stop supporting the Saudi dictators.

People can handle their own revolutions and they can install democracy themselves if they want to, just like we got our own democracy. We should stay the fuck out of their business, especially if the only benefits we get out of it are making money for defense contractors.

fuck man. Where the fuck did we get the right to police the world? Seriously where in the fuck did we get the right

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #14585913 - 06/09/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To be honest I do not support the war in any form, but it is correct that you CANNOT withdraw troops instantly after maintaining an occupying force in a country with an extremely unstable government for several years. It will just cause extreme political discourse and we will be right back in there once again.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585916 - 06/09/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
no what Im saying is that we should respect other nations national sovereignty and mind our own fucking business.

Does it not make sense to you that we are only making more fucking enemies? We are recruiting more terrorist by being over there and we seperating ourselves from ever havign some sort of reconciliation between western/eastern people.

We need to stop giving away taxpayers dollars to fucking dictators around the world (Saddam, Ghaddafi, Egyptian dictator, The Sha, Saudi Arabia, Syria)

They can handle their own fucking problems and every, I MEAN EVERY god damn time we go over to the middle east we get tons of blow back. Didnt want 9/11 to happen? Maybe we shouldnt have installed dictators over the Iran people after they democratically elected a ruler. Dont want to be terrorized? Maybe we should stop supporting the Saudi dictators.

People can handle their own revolutions and they can install democracy themselves if they want to, just like we got our own democracy. We should stay the fuck out of their business, especially if the only benefits we get out of it are making money for defense contractors.

fuck man. Where the fuck did we get the right to police the world? Seriously where in the fuck did we get the right





this too

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585917 - 06/09/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

like there is ANY "honorable" way to kill another human being


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Nova]
    #14585919 - 06/09/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What about the money? Pris and zappa i'd like to hear what you think about the money situation considering how poorly our economy is doing right now. Our defense budget is huge and seems to flow into these black hole military contractors. Seems like a roundabout way to funnel tax payer money into certain organizations pockets.



This is actually a point I said could be argued.  Kind of.  Those are jobs and they are legit functions of the federal government but are they good or bad for the economy?  There is no doubt that it is essential that we maintain the greatest military in the history of the world but do we have to spend the extra money to use it in these particular instances?  I posit that it was in our interests to do so.  You can posit otherwise if you like, but that just comes down to counting beans and who gets them.  In truth I would rather burn money in a fire than contribute it to creating a dependent welfare state.  My point here is that most of the people who whine about the cost aren't the ones actually paying it and they're just pissed they didn't get a bigger chunk of my check since it went to the military and the biggest victims of the welfare state are welfare recipients.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DiscoBiscuitsTrip]
    #14585928 - 06/09/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said:
Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?



Yep.  Kind of time to peel out of both of them, I think


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Heffy]
    #14585932 - 06/09/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Heffy said:
LOL

Pris and Zappa support the troops, unless they disagree with the thoroughly just and necessary war. Then fuck em.

Cause Pris and Zappa are always right.
:rolleyes:
You guys should go enlist.





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