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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
#14585473 - 06/09/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I suppose I do have faith. I have faith that if we stick to skeptical thinking and the scientific method, we'll eventually have a unified theory of everything. That over time we'll prove some theories to be correct, as millions of people spend hundreds of years trying to find flaws in those theories without success.
So tell me, since I'm just a simple pseudo-scientist, is math a big scam? Since it's dealing in absolutes and proofs, is it all garbage? Hurry up, I need to know before I register for classes...
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
#14585488 - 06/09/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I suppose I do have faith. I have faith that if we stick to skeptical thinking and the scientific method, we'll eventually have a unified theory of everything. That over time we'll prove some theories to be correct, as millions of people spend hundreds of years trying to find flaws in those theories without success.
So tell me, since I'm just a simple pseudo-scientist, is math a big scam? Since it's dealing in absolutes and proofs, is it all garbage? Hurry up, I need to know before I register for classes...
You can not prove an equation when it comes to certain things. Math has its place.
We are talking about things that we simply do not understand in life here. Things that may or may not happen after death. No scientist can prove anything in relation to that shit.
Most scientists will not even touch that sort of ting along with ufos and shit like that. It could potentially "ruin" their career as well as their "credibility" so they stay away or dismiss such phenomena right away.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585504 - 06/09/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: thoughts]
#14585517 - 06/09/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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iwasaClown said: The eyes don't see what the mind doesn't know.
Or doesnt want to know.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585522 - 06/09/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup, that is just some random theory Bill Hicks pulled out of his ass hole.
You got it.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj] 2
#14585528 - 06/09/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats cool but just try and remain open minded. Science is based on that. Thats part of the method ;-)
Your beliefs in ghosts are seperate and I'm sad you have concluded they are not real and falsly concluded science has established that
Theres been no accepted theoretical science on ghosts yet and even when (if) there is - stay open - and even when there is still posability to changing the theory on presentation of new information - so stay open and accept that a belief is not part of science because its all theories of likelyness.
Skeptical thinking... a true skeptic Quote:
A person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions
think about that.
I don't think many people realise what a skeptic or the scientific method is anymore. 
I am a skeptic. I like to utilise the scietific method. A skeptical scientist who has had exceptional life experiences involving what the concensus calls the "paranormal" which I call the "misunderstood".
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585529 - 06/09/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or doesnt want to know.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: thoughts]
#14585580 - 06/09/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, yes we are
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
#14585603 - 06/09/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like I said, I am open minded, but I do weigh evidence when taking a position on something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I haven't concluded that science has authoritatively said that ghosts aren't real, I've simply decided that with the information I've seen/read, the evidence for ghosts being more than human imagination/hallucination is lacking at best.
So, I can't relay my position here any better. I'm open to changing my mind if new evidence emerges, but for now I don't accept ghosts as genuinely existing in objective reality and I certainly don't accept them as evidence of an afterlife.
So, considering I'm one of the few people in this thread doubting the existence of ghosts despite their widespread reporting, how is my position not one of skeptical thinking? Think about that, man.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
#14585609 - 06/09/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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uber_aj said: Like I said, I am open minded, but I do weigh evidence when taking a position on something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I haven't concluded that science has authoritatively said that ghosts aren't real, I've simply decided that with the information I've seen/read, the evidence for ghosts being more than human imagination/hallucination is lacking at best.
So, I can't relay my position here any better. I'm open to changing my mind if new evidence emerges, but for now I don't accept ghosts as genuinely existing in objective reality and I certainly don't accept them as evidence of an afterlife.
So, considering I'm one of the few people in this thread doubting the existence of ghosts despite their widespread reporting, how is my position not one of skeptical thinking? Think about that, man.
This question should have been asked before I think. And it might be an obvious answer but have you ever had a paranormal experience?
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
#14585612 - 06/09/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I already did 
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nice1 said: You require personal experience to alter your theory of likelyness I have had those personal experiences, multiple witness, convincing as anything else in this reality - I hope you do too one day. 
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585614 - 06/09/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its obvious everyone's made up their mind about this  Even if someone 'wins' the debate... a man convinced against his will is a man of the same opinion still
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585651 - 06/09/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I talked about it earlier in the thread, but I'll go again.
Yes, I have. When I was five or six, I had reoccurring visions of little golden floating things that only I could see. I had names for them, even drew pictures in my journal that I read a couple months ago.
When I was a little older, maybe nine, I saw the ghosts of two men at the foot of my bed. It was right as I woke up (funny how these things tend to happen to people in altered states of consciousness).
When I was nineteen I had a shroom induced ego death where I experienced the familiar feeling of leaving my body, followed by an indescribable trip through the stars, telepathically communicating with other-worldy beings and the like. For a good year I believed that the same thing would happen when I really die. It might still, but I bet it's all over when the electrical signals in my brain stop working.
Three years ago I was stabbed and bled pretty good, had an amazing NDE with Valkyrie visuals and the like.
Two weeks ago I could've sworn that somebody shouted my name inside my 400sq ft apartment, but I was stoned out of my mind and concluded that much all these other experiences, I was hallucinating.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
#14585669 - 06/09/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry I missed that before.
The golden things and the mushroom trip and the name calling can all be called "hallucinations" as it just makes sense.
But as far as you saying..
"funny how these things tend to happen to people in altered states of consciousness"
Most of my experiences happend when I was awake and alert and sober.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj] 1
#14585693 - 06/09/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my experiences they were certainly not hallucination.
I had a multiple witness UFO sighting of a close encounter with a landing silent running flying disc. I had 2 other witnesses. I could of thrown a rock at it. It altered the grass where it landed for years that grass was yellow and dead.
I have seen an appirition in a graveyard with 7 other witnesses about 8 foot in front of us floating along. Everyone saw it.
Me and my father experienced a poltergeist moving an object in a house and the owner declared she was aware of the poltergeist, confirming our experience after it happened.
I have had several visions of the future. 1 of which I had time to write down 100's of details before it happened and when it did I was just struck in absolute awe watching 10 minutes of these precise details rolling out in front of me.
I can't just dismiss these things. There were as real as my PC in front of me now. Other people witnessed them and they altered our physical environment.
From my experiences in life. We are not even scratching the surface of understanding the truth of this reality.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
#14585737 - 06/09/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've also had experiences that are more understandable.
I have had sleep paralysis and seen entities - but I think it was likely just sleep paralysis and hypnagogic imagery, simple as that.
I have noticed other people claim to see things that I cannot see and I tell them 
I had one time when I woke up about 5 times and went into my kitchen and every time was a dream then I finally actually woke up! That was intense 
I just have to speak my truth I spose. Thats what we are all here for.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585755 - 06/09/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fair enough, but that doesn't make them any more real than my experiences, does it? If I was alert and sober and heard my name called loudly, I might check to see if my landlady was at the door, but if she wasn't I'd still figure it was a hallucination, not a ghost calling my name.
I watch the same UFO videos that you do and I keep an open, inquisitive mind, but my thoughts are usually, "Shit, I wonder what those triangle lights in the sky are?" as opposed to, "Fuck, I bet they're Greys from Zeta Reticuli and the government is covering it all up." Same thing with ghosts.
It would take nothing short of a ghost appearing to me and at least one other person in a sober state, reaching out and touching myself or some object in the room for me to reevaluate my position here. Anything else isn't enough for me. There are 100 reasons somebody would fake a ghost story, 100 ways they could make it seem real to an outside observer.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
#14585770 - 06/09/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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uber_aj said: Fair enough, but that doesn't make them any more real than my experiences, does it? If I was alert and sober and heard my name called loudly, I might check to see if my landlady was at the door, but if she wasn't I'd still figure it was a hallucination, not a ghost calling my name.
I watch the same UFO videos that you do and I keep an open, inquisitive mind, but my thoughts are usually, "Shit, I wonder what those triangle lights in the sky are?" as opposed to, "Fuck, I bet they're Greys from Zeta Reticuli and the government is covering it all up." Same thing with ghosts.
It would take nothing short of a ghost appearing to me and at least one other person in a sober state, reaching out and touching myself or some object in the room for me to reevaluate my position here. Anything else isn't enough for me. There are 100 reasons somebody would fake a ghost story, 100 ways they could make it seem real to an outside observer.
I watch videos yes but never have I stated that I truly believe that some of the things we see are alien. To me its logical but I also believe it could be governemnt. Which would be just as important. Hiding that type of technology would be so wrong. But people have been seeing this stuff way before flight had been achieved.
Yes someone can make up stories for whatever reason they see fit. But I know what I have experienced and I can not say that it was something natural or that I hallucinated in any form. I cannot prove this of course so we have to agree to disagree. And thats ok.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
#14585785 - 06/09/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice1 said: In my experiences they were certainly not hallucination.
I had a multiple witness UFO sighting of a close encounter with a landing silent running flying disc. I had 2 other witnesses. I could of thrown a rock at it. It altered the grass where it landed for years that grass was yellow and dead.
I envy you for that, that would give me a big inquisitive chubby. I believe in UFOs 100%, I'm not convinced they're aliens though, are you?
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nice1 said: Me and my father experienced a poltergeist moving an object in a house and the owner declared she was aware of the poltergeist, confirming our experience after it happened.
Care to go into more detail? Did you and your dad see it move at the same time, or separate from each other?
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nice1 said: I have had several visions of the future. 1 of which I had time to write down 100's of details before it happened and when it did I was just struck in absolute awe watching 10 minutes of these precise details rolling out in front of me.
That's crazy shit, I've had heightened dejavu before too, where I got at least 10 details right before they played out.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
#14585804 - 06/09/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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uber_aj said: "Fuck, I bet they're Greys from Zeta Reticuli and the government is covering it all up."
Thats such a negative stereotype though. Makes me wonder what sources you use to get information on the subject. I can suggest some credible researchers if you actually care...
Yes there are extremists in EVERY field. Doesn't mean I disregard the subject matter.
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that would give me a big inquisitive chubby
Really? Its been a thorn in my side ever since... you really wanna know how it feels to have realised a reality that everyone else disregards and wants to institutionalise or shun you for because they have not experienced it. Its not nice. I can't even talk to people about it because I'm label, judged and shunned.
One of my GF even left me after asking me about the experience and I told her, only cuz she asked after seeing me make some posts about it online.
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see it move at the same time, or separate from each other?
Same time.
I can tell from your attitude you think I'm lying but then you would. You have not had any of these experiences yourself so you have to rationalise it.
To be fair to you - I would probably do the same if I was in your shoes. I don't have that priviledge though.
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