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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585656 - 06/09/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would not go as far as to call this another vietnam. There was really no point in fighting that war after Diem got killed. Ironically enough Diem's death changed it from a paper war to a military conflict.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14585681 - 06/09/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
and pris you know Damn well we led and tricked the public into supporting Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction?




meh.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/



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HOow the fuck would you feel if your homeland, the land of your ancestors was being occupied by some douchbags who speak a different language




I guess you're unaware, my ancestors homeland is occupied by some
douchebag who speak a different language, they made us adopt and adapt to
their language and customs, they disarmed us, slaughtered us and herded us
into pens like cattle and left us to die, then they placed a government
bureaucracy over us and told us we were a sovereign people

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How would you feel if civilians doors were being kicked in and inspected at any time of the night with no warrant, because theyre looking for some brown guy with a turban??




would would you feel to get $50kUS for having to deal with your door being
kicked in because a squad was following a tip that turned out to be wrong,
how would you like that check written within a few weeks as opposed to
having to fight in a court system for years for that cash

do you have a real clue about how things are handled over there?

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585687 - 06/09/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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unam sanctum said:
First off you answer none of my questions..surprise.
Secondly that link is a load of bullshit, when I try to read the full article it fails.




to the contrary, I did in fact answer your question, the data collection
process is a secret, secrets data collection in peer review? doesnt that
go against the whole peer review process, just because you refuse to
acknowledge or refuse to read refutation of this crap doesnt mean it's
inaccurate

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Thirdly UN, US whatever:

On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]





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Their status as Coalition Provisional Authority, or "Occupying Powers" under a United Nations resolution changed when the new government came to power on June 28, 2004, although they were still heavily influenced by the massive U.S. military and diplomatic presence in the country.[3]







Most of the criticism deals with selection of locations, number of clusters, and accuracy of war time stats, not with the methodology Calls used. 

How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened?  That's some fucked logic there Pris.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine]
    #14585700 - 06/09/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

idk man. 10 years in a different country, in which we were tricked into going into (pentagon papers), we spent an insane amount of money. IMO Bush is just as shady as nixon. The dissent voice against the war gets absolutely no media attention. We accomplish absolutely nothing but taking our money, bbuilding bombs with it and blowing them up in a desert. We have killed countless civilians, earned the stigma as terrorist of the 21st century.

And when we pull out of Iraq, within 10 years we will become great trading partners with them and our relations will be much tighter than any amount of war could of brought us

just like vietnam

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585703 - 06/09/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just saying, you can pull whatever facts you want out of your ass, but you're still taking a side, which includes bias, and to be biased is to be partially or fully one sided, and if you're not two sided, you can't even see the third dimension. If you are fully 3d in your view on the globalized war, the fourth dimension envelopes the idealism of a grandeur plan, one that could only have been conceptualized by a being of higher existence than us mere humans could comprehend.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14585715 - 06/09/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened?  That's some fucked logic there Pris.





it wasnt illegal, if it was please explain

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585733 - 06/09/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
just like vietnam




We weren't tricked into going into vietnam, we entered to secure a good friendship with Diem because he was a christian anti communist leader in southeast asia, which was a rare as fuck opportunity to help contain communism as part of Kennan's containment policy yadda yadda yadda, it just got massively out of hand when the CIA authorized a coup in Cable 243 and Diem was "accidentally" murdered by some fanatic officers, but we really knew exactly what we were getting into, it was just very hush hush to begin with.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585736 - 06/09/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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unam sanctum said:
How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened?  That's some fucked logic there Pris.





it wasnt illegal, if it was please explain




First off, Legality and Illegality are subjected to an entire batch of international treaties and complexes. It's not like massive world leaders are controlling the uppermost 1% of the worlds wealth and intelligence, is it:?


Most smart people realize money is worthless. WHatis of value is that which can be used and trusted amoung transparent allies.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine] * 1
    #14585740 - 06/09/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have a good friend in the miltary. Last i heard he was in Afghanistan killing tobacco smugglers.
You know, the kind of stuff that's going to save our lives.:whatever:
They don't even know what the fuck they're doing there.


The solution lies in Einstein's quote at the beginning of the vid.
"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service."


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14585750 - 06/09/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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unam sanctum said:
How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened?  That's some fucked logic there Pris.





it wasnt illegal, if it was please explain




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: "From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal."[1][2] The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court reported in February 2006 that he had received 240 communications in connection with the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 which alleged that various war crimes had been committed.

The UN Security Council, as outlined in Article 39 of the UN Charter, has the ability to rule on the legality of the war, but has yet not been asked by any UN member nation to do so. The United States and the United Kingdom have veto power in the Security Council, so action by the Security Council is highly improbable even if the issue were to be raised.

Just because you don't get caught doesn't mean you weren't cheating.

Edited by unam sanctum (06/09/11 02:05 PM)

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14585753 - 06/09/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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iwasaClown said:
I have a good friend in the miltary. Last i heard he was in Afghanistan killing tobacco smugglers.
You know, the kind of stuff that's going to save our lives.:whatever:
They don't even know what the fuck they're doing there.


The solution lies in Einstein's quote at the beginning of the vid.
"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service."





"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service"

Love that quote. And as they state in the video it seems the numbers of people
saying no to war are rising. Or should I say followers of that movement.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14585758 - 06/09/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:werd:

the man in the video was right. If our media wasnt bias, they would tell the american public both sides of the story. They would let the dissent voice speak, but they don't.

They throw around some rhetoric and call it patriotism, while the parents and young adults of our nation prepare to make the choice of whether or not to join the military.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585760 - 06/09/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14585762 - 06/09/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14585764 - 06/09/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Unfortunately the background music and video title makes it difficult for me to facebook this one, and as such I won't.

A little too dramatic.  The fact that Iraq Vets are saying things like this would have been enough without all the extra ambiance which lacks professionalism.

It's meant to appeal to emotion but it's preaching a bit hard to the choir.  Gotta keep it somewhat neutral (again, kill the music and standardize/PC-proof the title) if you want to actually go about convincing the unconvinced.





I haven't heard of or thought of some of these concepts before though so it was a win for me.  Thanks a lot for sharing.


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Humility] * 1
    #14585772 - 06/09/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Man, i'm gonna FB it.
I don't give a DAMN!


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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14585780 - 06/09/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

since when is the US governed by the UN, sounds to me that the UN has many
conflicting charters, one that gave the Coalition forces power under the UN
charter and various resolution and others that allowed Anan to disagree and
call it illegal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Humility]
    #14585783 - 06/09/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Humility said:
Unfortunately the background music and video title makes it difficult for me to facebook this one, and as such I won't.

A little too dramatic.  The fact that Iraq Vets are saying things like this would have been enough without all the extra ambiance which lacks professionalism.

It's meant to appeal to emotion but it's preaching a bit hard to the choir.  Gotta keep it somewhat neutral (again, kill the music and standardize/PC-proof the title) if you want to actually go about convincing the unconvinced.





I haven't heard of or thought of some of these concepts before though so it was a win for me.  Thanks a lot for sharing.





I agree. But the video still remains important.

One day we wont need these videos. It will all be common sense. Something so rare
in this world.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
    #14585784 - 06/09/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yup

if you have any friends who a specifically one sided support america's decision to kill whomever whenever kidna guys, send them to this and tell them that they should listen to the troops.


i did and i havnt gottena response yet

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14585787 - 06/09/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
:werd:

the man in the video was right. If our media wasnt bias, they would tell the american public both sides of the story. They would let the dissent voice speak, but they don't.





which way does that bias run, didnt the media vilify  george bush? why would they support 'his war'

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