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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Nova]
#14585462 - 06/09/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nova said: What about the money? Pris and zappa i'd like to hear what you think about the money situation considering how poorly our economy is doing right now. Our defense budget is huge and seems to flow into these black hole military contractors. Seems like a roundabout way to funnel tax payer money into certain organizations pockets.
I forgot to mention The THree Trillion Dollar war, another book about Iraq and the cost of the war.
Three Trillion is just a drop in the Cucket of AMerican Debt.
What do you think an American life is worth. What about the life of the lowliest terrorist?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#14585465 - 06/09/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok explain why a scientific peer review journal commits fraud knowingly? Also I never said coalition forces were the sole or even major contributor to these deaths although as wikileaks showed we did do our share of killing, with a lot more likely left out.
I see you talking a lot about cause and effect though. Without the US invading Iraq in the first place the number of violent deaths in general would have diminished greatly. What justifies this suffering to you? More than the deaths even take into account the psychological harm caused to the people our soldiers humiliate on a daily basis? And the perpetual state of hatred the violence causes both sides.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585472 - 06/09/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:

Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.


afghani people even opened brothels for US troops and allowed them the best of the best
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#14585484 - 06/09/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what the hell is ur problem pris????? war is not cool or good. why are u trying to argue with us ?????? get a life dude!!!
i know u were in the military in the past, but this doesn't make u a spokesperson for them.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14585495 - 06/09/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:

Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.


afghani people even opened brothels for US troops and allowed them the best of the best

Aw thats cute.
I could post some phots that suggest otherwise 
Oh well war is war.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] 3
#14585506 - 06/09/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great vid realfuzz!!! 
end the wars and occupations!
just because a war/military/police loving moderator thinks war and killings is alright, does not make it so.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
#14585520 - 06/09/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Ok explain why a scientific peer review journal commits fraud knowingly? Also I never said coalition forces were the sole or even major contributor to these deaths although as wikileaks showed we did do our share of killing, with a lot more likely left out.
because the study's data collection methods remain a closely guarded secret, can we guess which study wasnt peer reviewed, peer review is crap in many instances because it simply allows for the reviewers to gauge plausibility, it doesnt demand duplication of anything proving that these studies are accurate
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/7/0/data_bomb/
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Without the US invading Iraq in the first place the number of violent deaths in general would have diminished greatly. What justifies this suffering to you?
it's a UN invasion, not a US invasion... coalition forces and all, why's the US always the ones catching the blame when the UN forces are the ones that are there
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: P-O]
#14585521 - 06/09/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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PostiveOutlook said: what the hell is ur problem pris?????
Yeah, pris. quit being a pris, geez. I mean dang those goats were used for milk only! Like, what the hell, dude.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585543 - 06/09/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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DeadHearts said:

Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.


afghani people even opened brothels for US troops and allowed them the best of the best

Aw thats cute.
I could post some phots that suggest otherwise 
Oh well war is war.
his "proof" is laughable




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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: P-O] 1
#14585550 - 06/09/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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PostiveOutlook said: what the hell is ur problem pris????? war is not cool or good. why are u trying to argue with us ?????? get a life dude!!!
where have I said war is good, sometimes going to war is a necessary evil, a great example is bosnia, kosovo and sarajevo. all I've been doing is calling bullshit on bullshit
the first thing peopple should do is get their fact straight, isnt that the foundation of this site, to dispel misinformation?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: P-O]
#14585552 - 06/09/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude thats just war. people die. all of them were terrorists or haters of our freedom
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14585562 - 06/09/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Ok explain why a scientific peer review journal commits fraud knowingly? Also I never said coalition forces were the sole or even major contributor to these deaths although as wikileaks showed we did do our share of killing, with a lot more likely left out.
because the study's data collection methods remain a closely guarded secret, can we guess which study wasnt peer reviewed, peer review is crap in many instances because it simply allows for the reviewers to gauge plausibility, it doesnt demand duplication of anything proving that these studies are accurate
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/7/0/data_bomb/
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Without the US invading Iraq in the first place the number of violent deaths in general would have diminished greatly. What justifies this suffering to you?
it's a UN invasion, not a US invasion... coalition forces and all, why's the US always the ones catching the blame when the UN forces are the ones that are there
First off you answer none of my questions..surprise. Secondly that link is a load of bullshit, when I try to read the full article it fails. Thirdly UN, US whatever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War
On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: P-O]
#14585567 - 06/09/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you guys just dont understand the humor...
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: P-O] 2
#14585568 - 06/09/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That image of the dozen dead bodies may seem extreme, but most people desensitize themselves to such things early on.. in fact violent video games were invented by the governments of the coalition forces to control the populations riot reaction to mass violence. So when it does happen, those people are REALLY shocked, when they get a limb blown off or like see a guy blown in half, still alive.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] 3
#14585571 - 06/09/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you guys just dont understand the humor...
You're the one who started posting pictures in an argument you should have foreseen people taking that shit seriously
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#14585582 - 06/09/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Yeah, the war has been so great for the Iraqi people
It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
hey zappa its feeding time, big ol government just put out its teet with your name on it. What would you like today, vanilla or chocolate processed, dried and cut up reality?
How come saddam wasnt a tyrant when he invaded Iran? how come when he was torturing his own people before the kuwait war we didnt hear about it or do anything? How come we gave this dictator millions in aid, only to go against him when British oil fields are in jeapordy.?
Why did we leave this dictator in power after the first gulf waR? sounds to me like we were leaving us some work for the future. Youre full of shit dude, the Iraqi people have not benefited at all.
Do some research about american supported dictators. Do not buy into this fucking "were installing democracy" bullshit. Countless times we have gone against other countries democrratic processes only to install dictators that are tolerant toward US private interest.
Saudi Arabia, bam, terrible dictators, horrible regime, but we give them hella tons of aid. And the mainstream media who;s jerkin off the defense sector never says one god damn thing about how tyrannical Saudi's are. How come the mainstream media didnt tell us about the gruesomness of the Sha of Iran? Yeah the Sha, the same ones who our CIa put in power after the democratically elected ruler decided he wanted to nationalize british oil fields to help support the countries economic interest?
What about the Contra in south america? Huh? What about Papa and Baby Doc of haiti that we supported?
We support dictators all over the place, dont dance around this fucking charade of bullshit that we are actually trying to help the iraqi people
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
#14585622 - 06/09/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: First off you answer none of my questions..surprise. Secondly that link is a load of bullshit, when I try to read the full article it fails.
to the contrary, I did in fact answer your question, the data collection process is a secret, secrets data collection in peer review? doesnt that go against the whole peer review process, just because you refuse to acknowledge or refuse to read refutation of this crap doesnt mean it's inaccurate
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Thirdly UN, US whatever:
On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]
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Their status as Coalition Provisional Authority, or "Occupying Powers" under a United Nations resolution changed when the new government came to power on June 28, 2004, although they were still heavily influenced by the massive U.S. military and diplomatic presence in the country.[3]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14585635 - 06/09/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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and pris you know Damn well we led and tricked the public into supporting Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction? Comeone you know they were merely tickling our balls with that one, they knew that wasnt true. And look, 10 fucking years later.
HOow the fuck would you feel if your homeland, the land of your ancestors was being occupied by some douchbags who speak a different language, see you as sub human and terrorize your population?" How would you feel if civilians doors were being kicked in and inspected at any time of the night with no warrant, because theyre looking for some brown guy with a turban?? How fucking disrespected I would feel to have our national sovereignty thrown out the window because some douchbag war mongels need a way to funnel taxpayer money into defense contractors pockets..
Its fucked up beyond belief. How the fuck did we let ourselves get into another vietnam. We are no safer now then we were 10 years ago. We are 10x as broke and we have spent this last decade feverousely recruiting for al Queida. (by killing civilians, yes civilians with moms and dads, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, we are in fact recruiting more terrorist)
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14585643 - 06/09/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Obama 2007
Its all business.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
#14585650 - 06/09/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you guys just dont understand the humor...
You're the one who started posting pictures in an argument you should have foreseen people taking that shit seriously
whodathunk they'd believe the goats were afghani women, lol... afghanistan isnt alabama
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