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Relevance of the Ten Commandments
    #14585508 - 06/09/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, you shall have no other gods before me.
Um, no. I was NOT released as a slave from Egypt. How is this germane to my life?

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Can I still watch American Idol?

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
So I should modify the behavior of my grandparents? :confused:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14585531 - 06/09/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

11 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
Can you clarify? As Jesus Christ was not around at the time the tablets were written, nor was his name pronounced CHE-ZUS KRIST, is it OK to blurt that out when I hit my thumb with a hammer?

Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.
For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.

Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.

By work, do you mean work in the sense of physics - such as any movement whatsoever; or do you mean work as in doing something that is not fun?

I keep trying to remember that I was an Egyptian slave, but I got nothing. Do you suggest hypnotherapy?


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14585570 - 06/09/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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16 Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.



I don't see the connection to longevity nor to prosperity, but if I get the gist of this, I should be nice to get a reward, right?

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You shall not kill/murder.



As an atheist, I agree, but my Christian brethren have a thousand ways to legally circumvent this one. (See: Iraq War).

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Neither shall you commit adultery.



Unless you hold high political office or run a church?

Neither shall you steal.
OK, that one is pretty straightforward. (See: software piracy)

Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor.
Waht about during election time? That must call for a suspension.

Neither shall you covet your neighbor’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbor’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Coveting: bad; slaveholding: good! Got it. :wink:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14587037 - 06/09/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Your just taking it out of context man!


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: 4896744]
    #14587039 - 06/09/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'll bet this guy has an inferiority complex.  A huge truck in the driveway and a tiny dick in his pants.

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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Tri High]
    #14587255 - 06/09/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.




God has basic math problems?


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14587294 - 06/09/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Thou shall not kill"

The original text is “Ratsach” (Hebrew for murder)

Many make the distinction between killing someone and murdering someone. I have meet Christians believe it wrong under any circumstance


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14587342 - 06/09/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yet in the OT god directed his chosen people to kill.  Why is it again that anyone wants to follow this god? This petty jealous god that has worse emotional problems than the humans he supposedly created. :satansmoking:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14587371 - 06/09/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:crazy:Stop it Ice....you are trying to hook me


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14587437 - 06/09/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Not really, seriously.

I was brought up a Christian and have seen the damage it can do to humans.  I respond this way no matter who is posting as I'm trying to point out the logical flaws in this belief system.  Most people are programmed into it as children and those that manage to break free have a hard time convincing these programs to let go. I speak here from experience. I'm doing what I can to help.  Some people helped me at one time and I'm returning the favor.  You get to believe whatever you want and more power to you. I'm posting for those that want to be free of it or who are at least considering alternatives.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14587605 - 06/09/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work

I saw some video a while back where a total nutjob jew was being interviewed who was neurotic about keeping the sabbath. The guy was such a basket case that he invented all sorts of contraptions to do work for him on the sabbath so he wouldn't have to.

Examples included a telephone that was dialed with an air hose that would blow air on the buttons to dial the call. This way, he didn't actually touch the phone and so could make calls without violating the sabbath.

He also had a bizarre oven contraption where he could rig up a turkey the day before and sit it on a conveyor belt thing with a spring to close the oven door. Then the whole thing was triggered when he sat down on his easy chair on the sabbath. His butt pushed a lever that started the whole thing running to push the turkey in the oven, close the door and set the temperature.

Then when the time was up, he could stand up and another mechanism would open the oven and slide out the turkey so he could eat without doing any work.

I mean it was the kind of shit that would get you locked up in a mental institution if it wasn't under the guise of religion.

Check out the movie Religulous for other absurdities that would be funny if they weren't so depressing.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14587659 - 06/09/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry to hear about your rough upbringing......



I do believe there is a distinction between murder and killing.

I am completely justified in defending my own life (like held at gunpoint in a home invasion) from be taken, or my families....this of course is a last resort. I would not try to kill someone in this instance, but if they happen to die because of it, I would not consider it murder.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Diploid]
    #14587688 - 06/09/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My favorite part was when Bill was  talking to that Muslim musican that advocated the hatered of Jews....I was nuttsy coo coo.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14587699 - 06/09/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am completely justified in defending my own life

What happened to turning the other cheek and all that?


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Diploid]
    #14587864 - 06/09/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
I am completely justified in defending my own life

What happened to turning the other cheek and all that?




Exactly, it's not like you are going to cease to exist once dead. You will be in heaven with God.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: 4896744]
    #14587870 - 06/09/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Death anxiety rears it's ugly head.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14587927 - 06/09/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
My favorite part was when Bill was  talking to that Muslim musican that advocated the hatered of Jews....I was nuttsy coo coo.




My favorite part was when my brother got all butthurt and said that Bill had obviously picked extraordinarily stupid people to interview.

I had a legitimate :lol: at his expense...which just made him madder.  :shrug:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Diploid]
    #14587960 - 06/09/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
I am completely justified in defending my own life

What happened to turning the other cheek and all that?





Turning the other cheek  wont get you murdered... just a punch


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14587992 - 06/09/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

He ducks, he swerves, etc.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14588010 - 06/09/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
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Diploid said:
I am completely justified in defending my own life

What happened to turning the other cheek and all that?





Turning the other cheek  wont get you murdered... just a punch





Try it in a war zone.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14588022 - 06/09/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A christian could be in war though yes?  Start running into paradoxes...turn the other cheek sure...but one must also render unto Cesar what is his.  Which in wartime could very well be your physical body.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14588030 - 06/09/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Turn the other cheek is a metaphor. Jesus meant that you never fight back. If someone comes to shoot you, you let them. And if someone comes to crucify you, you let them.

And he let someone crucify him, no? At least Jesus wasn't a hypocrite like many of his followers. I'll give him that.

So I'll ask you again. How do you reconcile Jesus' (god's) teachings with your stated refusal to follow those teachings?

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I am completely justified in defending my own life (like held at gunpoint in a home invasion) from be taken, or my families....this of course is a last resort.




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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14588692 - 06/10/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Not really, seriously.

I was brought up a Christian and have seen the damage it can do to humans.  I respond this way no matter who is posting as I'm trying to point out the logical flaws in this belief system.  Most people are programmed into it as children and those that manage to break free have a hard time convincing these programs to let go. I speak here from experience. I'm doing what I can to help.  Some people helped me at one time and I'm returning the favor.  You get to believe whatever you want and more power to you. I'm posting for those that want to be free of it or who are at least considering alternatives.





I 'detached' from the Christian worldview when I was 17, but I held onto 'what if it's true', 'maybe I'm wrong', for many years. I have what I consider to be exceptionally loving family members, so there wasn't the obvious dichotomy between the practice and the preach, not that they are preachy at all. I've spent many years studying the world, slowly chipping away at the ingrained assumptions that come from growing up in a modern Christian household, and culture. Philosophically I'm still agnostic, but I can more easily identify with the atheist viewpoint now, after over 20 years of thought/deprogramming.

And I'm pissed I've been paying kosher taxes this whole time!:crankey:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Rahz]
    #14589133 - 06/10/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:  This is a good example of how, even in less difficult conditions, how time consuming it is to remove these programs.  This is why I believe they are blatantly or subtly fear based.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14589181 - 06/10/11 06:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I did, its not pretty.. in the
Marine Corps infantry


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14589228 - 06/10/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I dont agree with your interpretation of the Bible.

Jesus was speaking figuratively.

...and yes, he was talking about a back-hand slap in the face.....this was the supreme insult in first-century Judaism. It was an attack on ones dignity
----------not ones physical safety



Ever read John 2:13-16...

"The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers
seated at their tables. Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. He told those who were selling the doves,
"Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father's house a marketplace!"


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14589296 - 06/10/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, you shall have no other gods before me.
Um, no. I was NOT released as a slave from Egypt. How is this germane to my life?

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Can I still watch American Idol?

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
So I should modify the behavior of my grandparents? :confused:




E. Coli was found in Germane sprouts.
A. Idol shall be watched religiously
3rd and 4th generation finally wised up
If you can change the behavior of dead folks (you are old man)
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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14589367 - 06/10/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I did, its not pretty.. in the
Marine Corps infantry





I see you are prone to making weird lifestyle choices. :wink:

So tell me, if you saw real battle, what would happen if you turned your other cheek to a serious enemy?  Would he slap you or blow your head off?


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14589712 - 06/10/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
:thumbup:  This is a good example of how, even in less difficult conditions, how time consuming it is to remove these programs.




This is why I am so happy that I acknowledged the inconsistency early on. However, being at a fundamental baptist school where Christianity was talked about constantly still lead to consistent doubt in my own beliefs.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: 4896744]
    #14589796 - 06/10/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

amen to that:pope:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14590031 - 06/10/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus was speaking figuratively.

...and yes, he was talking about a back-hand slap in the face


If he was speaking figuratively when he said "turn the other cheek", then why did he act it out literally when he calmly walked out to be crucified after the last supper, knowing full well exactly what was coming?

If he didn't mean it, he would have fought back, or run, or anything but let himself be passively lead to slaughter.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Diploid]
    #14590199 - 06/10/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well , he knew of the 'prophecies' and was the only one of several hundred 'Messiahs' that had the balls to follow them to the bitter end.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14590894 - 06/10/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I dont agree with your interpretation of the Bible.


Don't you understand that there are thousands, or perhaps even millions of interpretations of the Bible? Something that is so vague and open to interpretation should not be used as a moral compass, it can be used to justify anything..Jesus fucking Christ, get a clue. :flowstone:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Diploid]
    #14591012 - 06/10/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

-disclaimer-

I am not trying to convert or be evangelical in the below response, I am answering a question from the Moderator


He did act it out...while he was walking to the actual crufiction:

In Matthew 26:67 Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists.
Others slapped him and said, "Prophesy to us, Christ. Who hit you?"


-but- 


your assertion is that he would have brought up arms to prevent his execution?
(given my other view of defending my own personal life)

Here of course is one of the central tenants of Christianity...the death of Christ to not only fulfill previous prophecies
(Zechariah 12:10,Isaiah 53:12) but also die for sins of man. (here again, I cannot prove my faith...Im being asked what a religious question)



Needless to say, there were two other men ....I not sure if they struggled, or tried to bring up arms against their ending.
In today's modern world, do felons going in for a lethal injection hop up on the table or are they manhandled? Never seen it...cant say for sure. Maybe there are both instances? Jesus came down in the form of a man, so to equate all human behavor to His, in not compatable (agian, in my faith)


The reasons why I believe that I can defend my own life(and not defy God, per Diploids assertion) up to the use of deadly force, is that: I dont have any prophecies to fulfill, and I'm not dying for others people sins.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Poid]
    #14591024 - 06/10/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am aware of the numerous interpretations of the Bible and the many denominations. Tell me, what led you to state that I wasn't?


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14591053 - 06/10/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

While in the Corps, there were times I was far away from my Faith, and there was much more than slaps going on.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Poid]
    #14591069 - 06/10/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Because you don't seem capable of understanding this:

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Poid said:
Something that is so vague and open to interpretation should not be used as a moral compass, it can be used to justify anything..Jesus fucking Christ, get a clue. :flowstone:




Do you honestly think that your personal interpretation is the right one? Don't you think that everybody with an interpretation thinks theirs is the right one?

How fucking special do you think you are? :imspecial:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14591083 - 06/10/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The reasons why I believe that I can defend my own life(and not defy God, per Diploids assertion) up to the use of deadly force, is that: I dont have any prophecies to fulfill, and I'm not dying for others people sins.


So this means that you don't have to do anything that Jesus said. Really odd for a Christian. :lol:

Either that or you cherry-pick what you want to follow/obey. Very common for a Christian. :thumbup:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Poid]
    #14591137 - 06/10/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I  didnt know there are many interpertations of the Bible because you said:


"Something that is so vague and open to interpretation should not be used as a moral compass, it can be used to justify anything..Jesus fucking Christ, get a clue. "



Wow.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14591177 - 06/10/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Where did I say that you don't know there are many interpretations of the Bible? I asked you if you understood that there are several interpretations of the Bible, I didn't state that you're not aware of them. Do you understand the difference between a question and a statement?

The reason I asked you if you understood that there are several interpretations of the Bible is because you don't seem to understand that it's retarded to use something that is so vague and open to interpretation as a moral compass.


Are you still confused, or do I need to explain what is being discussed here in greater detail? :what:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Poid]
    #14591199 - 06/10/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

SirTripAlot:

I am aware of the numerous interpretations of the Bible and the many denominations. Tell me, what led you to state that I wasn't?

Poid:

Because you don't seem capable of understanding this

Something that is so vague and open to interpretation should not be used as a moral compass, it can be used to justify anything..Jesus fucking Christ, get a clue.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14591205 - 06/10/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
While in the Corps, there were times I was far away from my Faith, and there was much more than slaps going on.



Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
While in the Corps, there were times I was far away from my Faith, and there was much more than slaps going on.





Are you really open minded on this issue of belief?  I think there is a lot more to your faith in god than just the answering of a prayer.

Here's my challenge for you.  I have read your bible through one time and the new testament several times. Now will you read one book I suggest?

If so read this book and get back to me in PM or on these boards.  The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker

If you are up to this challenge then my respect for you will greatly increase and my belief in your open minded search for truth wherever it leads.    If you then can tell me why in the face of that information you still believe in your god, I'll be all ears. I'd love to hear about it, seriously. Maybe you'll change my mind to boot.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14591226 - 06/10/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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SirTripAlot:

I am aware of the numerous interpretations of the Bible and the many denominations. Tell me, what led you to state that I wasn't?

Poid:

Because you don't seem capable of understanding this


The reason I said that is because of this: you are referring to when I asked if you understood that there are many interpretations of the Bible there in the bold. Instead of correcting you by telling you that I never stated that you weren't aware of the many interpretations, but rather asked if you understood that there are several interpretations, I just ignored your error and referred you to why I asked if you understand that there are several interpretations of the Bible (my statement "Something that is so vague and open to interpretation should not be used as a moral compass, it can be used to justify anything..Jesus fucking Christ, get a clue."). The fact that you don't seem to understand the idea that is expressed in that statement (that it is retarded to use something so vague and open to interpretation as a moral compass) encouraged me to ask you if you understand that there are several interpretations of the Bible. Had you understood that, I was thinking, you wouldn't do something retarded like use the Bible as a moral compass (I was assuming you are an intelligent, rational person).

If I had corrected your mistake instead of ignoring it, then this confusion (on your part) wouldn't have happened. It's funny, you make a mistake, I ignore it, and you think I'm the dumb one here. :lol:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14591241 - 06/10/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I will take you up on that.

(got it for 5 bucks)
http://product.half.ebay.com/_W0QQprZ18348


I tend to read books erratically...give me sometime...
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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Poid]
    #14591252 - 06/10/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

nice conjecture...still does not change your error...have a good one


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14591283 - 06/10/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What conjecture? I know it doesn't change my error..my error was in not pointing out your error and causing you to become confused and ironically fall under the false impression that you are the smart one here.


Of course, none of this changes the fact that you use an ancient book that lacks a clear and distinct message & which is extremely vague and open to interpretation as a moral compass, and that you cherry-pick which of your own idiosyncratic interpretations of the words contained therein you will follow/obey. :wow:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14591342 - 06/10/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I will take you up on that.

(got it for 5 bucks)
http://product.half.ebay.com/_W0QQprZ18348


I tend to read books erratically...give me sometime...
and we will discuss down the road





Excellent.  :mrburns:

You're going to love it.  BTW many folk who have been debating you here have read this book.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14591542 - 06/10/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the heads up. Im not going to read any reviews of the book, nor look up the authors name....I will (try to)  go in with a blank slate.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14591796 - 06/10/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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BTW many folk who have been debating you here have read this book.




I wouldn't touch that book 'cause every one who reads it - dies! :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14591872 - 06/10/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Then you better return your "special gift" unopened.

I'll send you a case of ding dongs instead.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14591951 - 06/10/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Do they carry The Denial of Death in major book stores?


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: 4896744]
    #14591966 - 06/10/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I bought mine at a Borders.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Poid]
    #14591980 - 06/10/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Next read 'Denial of Book Buying'.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: 4896744]
    #14592031 - 06/10/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Do they carry The Denial of Death in major book stores?





Are you saying you haven't read it?:whoa:

The local library, Amazon new and used, many  local book stores unless the owner had lots of death anxiety.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14592498 - 06/10/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Denial of Death

A book about a deadly river? I love adventure books. :thumbup:


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    #14592505 - 06/10/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Oh it's an adventure all right.


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A book about a deadly river? I love adventure books. :thumbup:


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14592533 - 06/10/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If you are up to this challenge then my respect for you will greatly increase and my belief in your open minded search for truth wherever it leads.    If you then can tell me why in the face of that information you still believe in your god, I'll be all ears. I'd love to hear about it, seriously. Maybe you'll change my mind to boot.




You see the thing about Icelander is...he sucks you in with this fatherly type vibe thing....and then fucks up your life forever.

:rofl2:

The funniest part is, you want to blame him but you can't cuz it's not his fault you're such a pussy.  :lol:

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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Cups]
    #14592567 - 06/10/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Look if knowing this shit fucked up my life at least I want some company.

I'll always have you. :heart:

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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14592580 - 06/10/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You'll always be my John The Baptist.

Preparing the way for my awesomeness to sweep the globe.

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    #14592611 - 06/10/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My pleasure.

I'll relax and watch.


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Re: Relevance of the Ten Commandments [Re: Icelander]
    #14592623 - 06/10/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There is a downside...you will at some point need to have your head removed at the whim of some crazy bitch.  :shrug:

Sorry dude.


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