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Offlinebholzer
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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14581607 - 06/08/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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evenbreak said:
uh... no?

You do those things because you believe they will provide you with lasting happiness.

There's no rulebook in life that says you must be successful, have a family, and leave a legacy. There's literally 0 point to doing anything if the end goal of it isn't for happiness.



I agree, but having fun isn't necessarily synonymous with happiness...
I know there isn't a rule book in life, everyone writes their own. Life is what you make it. I was simply speaking MY outlook, not projecting it on anyone else.

So...yes! :super:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14581638 - 06/08/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nice masterbation... so basically you've got nothing?

Always easier to push a stamp than actually face your contradictions. Yet you are so honest with yourself lol.
Your "loud speaker" method fails because you are saying nothing...
"[Ahh people do psychedelics because the enjoy them ]" (oh really? lol)
I really expected more... shame on me.
If you actually had any idea you would laugh at yourself as much as I am.
Love you Joemollie

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14581681 - 06/08/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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evenbreak said:

did you really have that many detrimental effects from your experiences?

what i'm saying is I believe abusing psychedelics will inevitably lead to the realization/epiphany that you need to cut back on the drugs and get your shit together. and that's a nice thing to feel, sometimes that's what people need.



I know this was directed at Joe, but I'm going to answer anyway :thumbup:

I have suffered some detrimental effects that I wish I had avoided. I COULD have avoided them had I been wary, but I pushed it too far.

Abusing psychedelics will eventually lead to realizing that you need to stop/slow down, but wouldn't you rather realize you need to stop BEFORE you start suffering mentally?

I think that's what Joe is trying to get people to realize. He wants others to see that these drugs aren't always as harmless as people say, and that we really should be very careful with them. Some people get this, but some people don't.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14581692 - 06/08/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nateup said:
Nice masterbation... so basically you've got nothing?

Always easier to push a stamp than actually face your contradictions. Yet you are so honest with yourself lol.
Your "loud speaker" method fails because you are saying nothing...
"[Ahh people do psychedelics because the enjoy them ]" (oh really? lol)
I really expected more... shame on me.
If you actually had any idea you would laugh at yourself as much as I am.
Love you Joemollie




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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581701 - 06/08/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You can tell me that you felt the need to build a family or leave a legacy, whatever that means, good for you. But at the cross roads I'm taking the path to benefit MY experience. Sometimes we do things we don't like, true, but if I have a choice I'm choosing for me.

Maybe that's selfish of me? It probably is. But then again, I haven't dragged anyone else down with me yet, so there's no harm done.

Fuck it, I'm too busy having fun to even think of trying to bring yet another child into this already over populated planet, and a legacy doesn't mean too much when the outside world means little to me. Not to smash your dreams, but those are not things I want in my life.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581722 - 06/08/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Joolz said:
You can tell me that you felt the need to build a family or leave a legacy, whatever that means, good for you. But at the cross roads I'm taking the path to benefit MY experience. Sometimes we do things we don't like, true, but if I have a choice I'm choosing for me.

Maybe that's selfish of me? It probably is. But then again, I haven't dragged anyone else down with me yet, so there's no harm done.

Fuck it, I'm too busy having fun to even think of trying to bring yet another child into this already over populated planet, and a legacy doesn't mean too much when the outside world means little to me. Not to smash your dreams, but those are not things I want in my life.



I completely understand, sorry if it seemed I was trying to tell you how you should live your life, I assure you that was not my intention. I said so in one of my recent posts:
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I agree, but having fun isn't necessarily synonymous with happiness...
I know there isn't a rule book in life, everyone writes their own. Life is what you make it. I was simply speaking MY outlook, not projecting it on anyone else.




Everyone has their own purpose, and everyone lives by their own rules, which is perfectly okay! I am far from judgmental, and I respect (mostly)everyone's lifestyle.

Your post just struck me because that used to be my EXACT outlook on life, so I just thought it appropriate to comment on how my outlook has changed.

Once again, sorry if it seemed I was trying to tell you how you should or shouldn't live. :peace:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581766 - 06/08/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You weren't, I saw that earlier post. I guess I should've went further into how I am on the same level as you. That post you just put is probably exactly how I would respond in your shoes. :hehehe: S'all good, I knew no harm was meant.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Joolz]
    #14581770 - 06/08/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Joolz said:
You weren't, I saw that earlier post. I guess I should've went further into how I am on the same level as you. That post you just put is probably exactly how I would respond in your shoes. :hehehe: S'all good, I knew no harm was meant.



Good to hear! :billymaythumbup:

I hate having bad blood anywhere.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14581776 - 06/08/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You'll be fine man i was the same exact way. Its just a phase your going through that will end when the time comes.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14581791 - 06/08/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Joolz and Bholzer, you two are both on paths that are probably healthy ones and your posts always are tempered with good intentions as well as a solid grasp on the limitations of these drugs.  Joolz seems to take his drugs to enjoy himself and feels they add to his life.  I think he's aware of the tight rope that we are all walking when immersing ourselves in this lifestyle.  Bholzer too takes psychedelics for similar purposes and has probably been burned a few times by them and may be a bit more embittered.  I don't know how accurate my assertions are, but the two of you have a lot in common from my vantage point and I hate to see you guys scratching and biting.  You're like twins to me and I'm your ugly step-brother.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14581814 - 06/08/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ha, there was never a cell of bad emotion in my body towards Bholzer. I read his post and knew that his opinion had simply changed. As I read on he further proved that he wanted to start a legacy, but understands that not all of us are into that.

Its all good on this side of the world. :sun:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14581936 - 06/08/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

psychs wont give you enlightenment, only temporary enlightenment.  meditation and shit like that is the way to enlightenment. but you can still get insights about yourself and life from trips just don't take them too far. its hard not to put alot of importance on psychs because of how amazing and crazy they are but if theres anything that psychedelics can teach you, its that we don't know shit.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14582010 - 06/08/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.




Hey Joe, nah, this time you just said "MAYBE"...

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Do your drugs rarely, be careful of obsessive thoughts regarding the high, and realize your discontent or misery with your life can be exacerbated by your use of these drugs.




So can your joy, or did that get lost in the big meltdown?  Otherwise :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Anyway, after that good start the OP ignored ya and all the rest is :jacked:.

Cause the OP (remember the OP?) just:
  • Did ONE trip and found a new perspective on life was possible. :thumbup:
  • Wants to know if that can be made to stick around or is it better to work through it with meditation or yoga perhaps. :thumbup:
  • Wants some opinions on this, not expressing misery and only a mild amount of discontent. :thumbup:
  • Joined this forum just to ask about this, with a :heart: for the post! :thumbup:
  • Has friends, parties OK, but can't look some peeps in the eyes cause it feels too personal. :thumbdown:

So Joe, my particular dumb-ass advice, only FWIW, cause you're right and I really don't give a damn: just start a thread about how life has/hasn't been good to you so far, with details on what particular psych drugs did you damage or at least what you perceive as damage...with the dosages, the settings, the outcomes, the works.  Maybe the old talking therapy can do its work, I dunno. 

Or maybe you're too fried to ever work quite right again (36 hour bridgesii trips? Damn, bro.).  Maybe you do really care, maybe you don't, maybe the suit's too tight and the degrees are getting a bit long in the tooth and just trying to keep up with "consensual reality" while still getting strung out regularly is taking a toll, hell if I know, but spit it all out and try and get done with that.

Or if y'all have already made a post like that point it out so the love can be felt in the right place. :irishtoast: 

'Cause I've looked through your main threads and I don't see one there.  What I do see is somebody maybe still looking for something, kinda like a lot of people here. With a bit of OD mentality thrown in (hey, I so get that:lol:).  But if you post it they might come and help you really feel the pain, or whatever it is that turns you on.

:smileyfrog: Or you might be right, maybe you can't get there from here.  :hangover: 

Love ya, man!:peace:PS

:laugh2: Just say no :yoda2:


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14582226 - 06/08/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Primal Soup, you read my mind.  So many times, I say fuck it, I'm done posting this broken record stupid shit.  And then a thread comes up and I can't help myself.  And then I get all worked up and then someone starts being a dick or maybe I start being a dick first, but I then get indignant and on and on. 

Anyway, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble arguing with you fine people.  Maybe I'll evolve a new philosophy soon.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14582309 - 06/08/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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thingamabob said:
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joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.




I like an honest arsehole :grin:

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14584046 - 06/09/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"psychs wont give you enlightenment, only temporary enlightenment.  meditation and shit like that is the way to enlightenment. but you can still get insights about yourself and life from trips just don't take them too far. its hard not to put alot of importance on psychs because of how amazing and crazy they are but if theres anything that psychedelics can teach you, its that we don't know shit."

This. Exactly.

And even if ALL you get out of psychedelics is pleasure - and you convince yourself that the pleasure you gain is not beneficial (lol)... why wouldn't you want to extend that pleasure after the session, even if just to keep the feel good going? (which is OBVIOUSLY why any of us work to "bring something back")
Its really laughable that any of this needs to be said, especially the following:
Not everyone who believes some pleasure (for sake of context - some may call it benefits) can be carried on after a session... worships psychedelics.
I actually find the "church of psychedelics" phenom to be quite annoyingly delusional as well. They need to be questioned - engaged in useful discussion... not jacked off at.

"Maybe I'll evolve a new philosophy soon."

Aaaaaahahahahahahahahahhahah you would need to be saying something new buddy.
Please practice Mollie.


~edited because I lost my quote somehow - had to re-enter the sloppy way - sorry

Edited by nateup (06/09/11 08:22 AM)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: nateup]
    #14584412 - 06/09/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The pleasure that psychedelics brings is not always so straightforward and obvious.  I had some absolutely horrifying trips where I swore I'd never touch ayahuasca again.  I wrote detailed essays describing my trips, how I felt, as well as audio recordings that were made during the episodes.  What's so strange is that within a day or two of the most terrible experiences of my life, I would have a powerful urge to trip again.  I'd read my notes, listen to my audio, and try to understand what I meant by promising not to trip.  It just didn't make any sense at all to me.  I literally forgot and couldn't comprehend my previous promises and warnings.

So I'd trip again and most of the time I was rewarded with the keys to the universe and then the cycle would repeat.  In the meantime, while I was awash in purple-pink psychedelic orgasm, subtle and unwelcome changes in my sober thought processes and reasoning began to creep in.  Obsessive ideas, drug-oriented behavior and habits as well as a compelling urge to trip.

My point is that pleasure and the beneficial effects of these drugs are often couched in strange psychological games that we play with ourselves and many of us are deceiving ourselves, lying to ourselves, fooling ourselves in an effort to justify getting fucked up on some awesome chemicals.

Perhaps you don't do this, Nateup, but I did.  Read about addiction and the fucked up games people's heads play on them.  It's fucking eye-opening and its evil and will power and intelligence don't give you an edge in this strange game.

Go on, ridicule me, insult me, laugh at me, call me ignorant, naive, and laughable, Nateup.  But I ain't bullshitting.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14585193 - 06/09/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is obnoxious is that you just assume that each of us is completely unaware of these dynamics you speak of. As I said, none of this is anything new to me... after 14 years since my first lsd trip (with a very long break since my relatively recent re-entry) I've actually thought a time or two. Im sure there are at least a good few others at a similar awareness (risks of the psychedelic jungle).

As I said, I understand that this is all very tricky territory. Risks are involved - I have clearly admitted that. I have experienced some similar phenomenon - I mentioned earlier the importance for me to stay honest and aware so that I can catch things early when I get "off track".

Its just the obvious "positives outweigh the negatives" that we have all heard. Its true for me at this point. Of course there is some possibility that its all a lie and that I am hiding all the real evidence from myself... but all I can do is stay as honest as I am aware of. Everybody has things going on in their minds that they aren't fully aware of - even if they do "[rip themselves to shreds with honesty]"

As I've already said, your condescending assumption that you have esoteric knowledge that we all lack is false... actually at this point of the conversation its bordering on mind-boggling. What has made you so certain that I have not had my eyes opened too?

And I will also repeat in different words so that it might make more sense (? I guess). Based on all of your posts I have read, you have not "been where I am"... what is actually more likely is that I have been where you are (again based on everything of yours I have read since creeping here, pretty close)... but know what? I would never say that to you in context other than this (to make a point about you saying it).

I remember when I first realized how sneaky and tricky my self (not the drugs, that is silly) can be in these situations, I was jaded and preachy too. I eventually learned (10 years later) that its not ALL or NOTHING... its balance. Its not easy - does that mean that its all nonsense and useless? That is just giving up to me.

But really this has only been about your assuming. Had it really not crossed your mind that others may have had similar realizations, but used them in different ways? Did you reeeally think you were the first? Really?

Edited by nateup (06/09/11 02:52 PM)

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    #14585453 - 06/09/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Kuuyku]
    #14585497 - 06/09/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Kuuyku said:
Whatever you can do on drugs, you can do while sober.




let me know when you figure out how to trip balls while awake.


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