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trashcansean

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They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help
#14584630 - 06/09/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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We have got to do something about the PROTECT IP ACT, it is in direct violation of the constitutional rights. If they pass the bill, we no longer have freedom of speech on the internet.
here is a pdf of the bill PROTECT IP ACT
Please read it. Voice your opinion and make it heard by all
I will not stand for this bullshit!!!!
Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah. and some interpret the document to say it is going to take jurisdiction of international domains. FUCK....... also Egypt has passed laws to block all international websites(if your in Egypt you can only access Egyptian websites, proxies are being blocked and tor nodes too).
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14584671 - 06/09/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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the constitution doesnt apply to the internet, the DMCA is proof of that
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean] 1
#14584691 - 06/09/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow. I wonder how much time these guys waste thinking up these long fuckin' acronym names. Also, signed 
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he constitution doesnt apply to the internet, the DMCA is proof of that
If the constitution doesn't apply, then as far as I'm concerned, neither do the rest of the laws. Fuck the government.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: p_walter]
#14584713 - 06/09/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you walter. anyone who is willing please get your friends to sign and their friends and so on. i dont know if it will make a difference, but if the government keeps doing this to us, im ready for a civil war.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14584724 - 06/09/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The government can't even win The War on Drugs in our country how they think they could EVER control the internet?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14584740 - 06/09/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the constitution doesnt apply to the internet, the DMCA is proof of that
yes it does, and no it isn't: respectively
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: LayinUp]
#14590746 - 06/10/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Signed, thanks for the heads up!
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: LayinUp]
#14590805 - 06/10/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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LayinUp said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the constitution doesnt apply to the internet, the DMCA is proof of that
yes it does, and no it isn't: respectively
can you back that claim that the constitution applies to something used all over the world
so what's this protect ip act supposed to censor anyway... piracy?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14590832 - 06/10/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Signed.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14590875 - 06/10/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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LayinUp said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the constitution doesnt apply to the internet, the DMCA is proof of that
yes it does, and no it isn't: respectively
can you back that claim that the constitution applies to something used all over the world
this law IS being drafted in america, not mongolia or iraq, you realize?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: LayinUp]
#14590892 - 06/10/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, if you accessed the internet in Mongolia or Iraq would you still be under US jurisdiction?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14590906 - 06/10/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said: Well, if you accessed the internet in Mongolia or Iraq would you still be under US jurisdiction?
I didn't read the bill, but.. does this only affect Americans? Or does America own the internet?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Brugman]
#14590938 - 06/10/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know, internet censorship is treading on thin ice especially when it comes to intellectual property laws, but look at China. There is certain things that are absolutely censored on their servers. Mostly to do with Tibet and other human rights violations.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591183 - 06/10/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah. and some interpret the document to say it is going to take jurisdiction of international domains. FUCK....... also Egypt has passed laws to block all international websites(if your in Egypt you can only access Egyptian websites, proxies are being blocked and tor nodes too).
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14591208 - 06/10/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should really edit that post into your OP. That would certainly mean the end of the shroomery.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14591267 - 06/10/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal,
Where are you getting that from. I have not read the entire bill but the summery I have seen only relates to "Copyright infringement and the sale of counterfeit goods".
I mean they would have to block amazon and just about any online book store also. Pretty sure they sell some books where you can learn to do illegal things.
On a side note Google is against it.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: 4runner]
#14591273 - 06/10/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who are "they"? Define "censoring"?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Doc_T]
#14591356 - 06/10/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know. The government and big business. Making sites disappear via DNS and other means.
Why you ask me? I am still looking into this.
I don't think this thing will pass, Sen. Ron Wyden put a hold on it. Both the NY and LA times are against it. It's just going to get bad press everywhere especially online.
Oh well that was fun, back to videos of kittens and porn.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: LayinUp]
#14591362 - 06/10/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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LayinUp said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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LayinUp said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the constitution doesnt apply to the internet, the DMCA is proof of that
yes it does, and no it isn't: respectively
can you back that claim that the constitution applies to something used all over the world
this law IS being drafted in america, not mongolia or iraq, you realize?
which doesnt answer the qustion
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591366 - 06/10/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said: You should really edit that post into your OP. That would certainly mean the end of the shroomery.
except that it wouldnt, the shroomery doesnt sell spores
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591387 - 06/10/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Caine said: You should really edit that post into your OP. That would certainly mean the end of the shroomery.
except that it wouldnt, the shroomery doesnt sell spores
Yeah but he specifically said it would also include sites that explain "how to do something illegal"
You can definitely learn how to grow psilocybin mushrooms here...
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Doc_T]
#14591407 - 06/10/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Who are "they"? Define "censoring"?
The government.
The dictionary.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14591411 - 06/10/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah.
it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is, but it diesnt infringe upon the rights of an individual or company to sell authorized materials like nike shoes, gucci hand bags or the anarchists cookbook, what it does restrict is websites selling known counterfeits and copyrighted/trademarked material illegally
it also only covers it if the goods and services offered by such sites are made available to people residing in the US
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591425 - 06/10/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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He specifically said
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal,
I want to see where that is in the bill. Not what someone basically got out of it.
The summery of the PROTECT IP Act
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The PROTECT IP Act Copyright infringement and the sale of counterfeit goods are reported to cost American creatorsand producers billions of dollars and to result in hundreds of thousands in lost jobs annually.This pervasive problem has assumed an especially threatening form on the Internet. Consumersare increasingly lured to well-designed websites that are devoted almost exclusively tounauthorized downloads and streaming of copyrighted content or sale of counterfeit goods.
These rogue Internet sites are often outside the reach of U.S. law enforcement because they areforeign-owned and operated, or reside at domain names that are not registered through a U.S.-based registry or registrar. The illegal products offered at these websites are wide-ranging, fromthe latest movie or music hits to pharmaceuticals and consumer products.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591430 - 06/10/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah.
it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is, but it diesnt infringe upon the rights of an individual or company to sell authorized materials like nike shoes, gucci hand bags or the anarchists cookbook, what it does restrict is websites selling known counterfeits and copyrighted/trademarked material illegally
it also only covers it if the goods and services offered by such sites are made available to people residing in the US
Oh  So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
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Caine said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Caine said: You should really edit that post into your OP. That would certainly mean the end of the shroomery.
except that it wouldnt, the shroomery doesnt sell spores
Yeah but he specifically said it would also include sites that explain "how to do something illegal"
You can definitely learn how to grow psilocybin mushrooms here...
he specifically explained wrongly
http://leahy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BillText-PROTECTIPAct.pdf
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591447 - 06/10/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said: So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
if pirate bay is in the US then yes, since they're located overseas and can be accessed via google by proxy, no. all it allows for is the mailing of a court order to search engines to remove and block sites that infringe on trademarks and intellectual property, the bill also specifies that no other court action will be taken
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591449 - 06/10/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah.
it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is, but it diesnt infringe upon the rights of an individual or company to sell authorized materials like nike shoes, gucci hand bags or the anarchists cookbook, what it does restrict is websites selling known counterfeits and copyrighted/trademarked material illegally
it also only covers it if the goods and services offered by such sites are made available to people residing in the US
Oh  So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
And if the analogue act is applied, potentially all RC vendors.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591466 - 06/10/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Caine said: So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
if pirate bay is in the US then yes, since they're located overseas and can be accessed via google by proxy, no. all it allows for is the mailing of a court order to search engines to remove and block sites that infringe on trademarks and intellectual property, the bill also specifies that no other court action will be taken
So a proxy will get around the blacklisted sites?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: BothHands]
#14591470 - 06/10/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yup.
there's a number of blocked sites already, the poker sites being the most recent, if you try and access them from the US you get the DOJ page, use a foreign proxy and you get the site
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591479 - 06/10/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting. And BothHands, I bet the more lucrative RC businesses would probably opt for offshore hosting to escape the shutdown.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591486 - 06/10/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: yup.
there's a number of blocked sites already, the poker sites being the most recent, if you try and access them from the US you get the DOJ page, use a foreign proxy and you get the site
What about your cash money though? If a U.S. credit card is being used then no bueno?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591494 - 06/10/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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They'd still be blocked, even offshore. But as Pris pointed out, a proxy could get around the block.
I'm also interested in torrents though. I don't think I can get my torrent program to connect via a proxy. But I'm sure they'll probably add that ability if this passes, right?
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What about your cash money though? If a U.S. credit card is being used then no bueno?
Also a good question. Alertpay should still work though, right?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: BothHands]
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Hopefully they wouldn't be prosecuted in that case, though. No matter, they've already drafted bills to ban 2C's and I bet subbed tryptamines will follow not long after.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591510 - 06/10/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Though I'll miss the 2C's, something new will always be available. I'm more worried about completely losing access to the websites.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: BothHands]
#14591516 - 06/10/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Download peerblock. Block http and you can see all the i.p's that are monitoring your whereabouts or something such,all the while keeping you hidden.
That and tor is a pretty good combo I'd imagine.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591767 - 06/10/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is
Does the copyright holder need to make the claim, or is this proactive, they plan to go around stomping out counterfeits?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Doc_T]
#14591789 - 06/10/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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from what I've read, if someone makes a complaint they check it out and block it, nothing further gets done, apparently the starving africans can still buy gucci knockoffs as soon as they get their free charity lap tops
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14592074 - 06/10/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think it's the companies job to keep everything secret i mean they have contracts and they can hire the technology if something gets out
i dont see how suing people for clicking the wrong link or sharing information should be THAT prosecutable
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Konyap]
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no one is getting sued for the shit, not even the site owners, at least not by the government and if the companies keep shit secret then we'll be in the stone age because that new car they've built cant be released because it's a secret, there will be no more updated in computer technology or software because it's gotta be kept a secret, no new movies, I mean it's not as if the new ones arent just recycled old ones but still... you get the point
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14592145 - 06/10/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: from what I've read, if someone makes a complaint they check it out and block it, nothing further gets done,
So this really is about trademarks and copyrights and money, not about freedom of information and the right to make poor choices?
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Yes more government. We need more government because they've proven themselves to be pure hearted defenders of the people.
How about less legislation protecting corporate interests and more legislation facilitating job production. Plz and TY.
Inb4 pris playing devils advocate as usual.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Nova] 1
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I just read the whole bill. It effects piracy and overseas pill mills. It only has jurisdiction in the US. It penalizes search engines and sites linking to piracy sites and pill mills.
There is just 1 loop hole that they forgot about. There is nothing stopping anyone from setting up a server in china and starting their own search engine for pirated products and pill mills. All this bill effectively does is make anyone engaged in these activities have to move their operations overseas and no one will even miss a beet.
Nice try though uncle Sam.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: bendychicken]
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bendychicken said: I just read the whole bill. It effects piracy and overseas pill mills. It only has jurisdiction in the US. It penalizes search engines and sites linking to piracy sites and pill mills.
There is just 1 loop hole that they forgot about. There is nothing stopping anyone from setting up a server in china and starting their own search engine for pirated products and pill mills. All this bill effectively does is make anyone engaged in these activities have to move their operations overseas and no one will even miss a beet.
Nice try though uncle Sam.
You are wrong. The DEA thinks they have jurisdiction to attack servers anywhere in the world. The reason xxxxxxxx.com shut down was because of continual pressure/DOS attacks by the DEA.
Out government is completely out of control. The federal government thinks they have jurisdiction over everyone anywhere in the world. This is apparent with the plethora of illegal wars we are in. Obama is JUST as fucked up a globalist/imperialist type dictator as Bush was.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Nova]
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Nova said: How about less legislation protecting corporate interests and more legislation facilitating job production. Plz and TY.
I agree completely, I'm all for repealing many laws, let the corporations go after those pirating their shit, if you use p2p shit and get busted by the RIAA/MPIAA then more power to them at raping you for everything but the government certainly doesnt need to be involved any further than registering trademarks, trade names, copyrights and patents
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Inb4 pris playing devils advocate as usual.
know what a troll is? ^^^^^ that's a troll
if you read what I write, the most common theme is "it's the law, dont like it, work on changing it"
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said: You are wrong. The DEA thinks they have jurisdiction to attack servers anywhere in the world. The reason xxxxxxx.com shut down was because of continual pressure/DOS attacks by the DEA.
seems a little conspiratorial to me, of which they simply could have gotten better hardware, switched hosting, refused payment to their hosting until the problem is fixed, filed suit against the DEA, etc...
of course it couldnt be because of the many reports of people being scammed
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I don't believe it was a scam site, I used it many, many times--with top results. I believe there is a lot of covert warfare by the dea, posting false scam reports, carrying out DOS attacks, etc, but the main reason that site shut down--and this is speculation--is that the US Government pressured the government of the other country to do something about it.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: starfire_xes]
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it's not as if they havent just switched domains and hosting
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: LobsterSauce] 1
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Jimtown said: Download peerblock. Block http and you can see all the i.p's that are monitoring your whereabouts or something such,all the while keeping you hidden.
That and tor is a pretty good combo I'd imagine.
peerblock definetley helps but it only blocks 60-70% of all the ips that it needs to keep you safe. that is if you use the original blocklist that comes with it, some premiums are better but none cover all ips
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14596469 - 06/11/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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By the way, for those of you who think this is only for copyright infringement, I believe that is incorrect. I have studied this document with a few others, and we believe infringement to be used in a context that means breaking any law, or providing anything whether it be idea or a physical object that can be used in a way to break the law. I do not believe this bill will be passed!
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
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this is about taking away my sweet pornography!
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14596471 - 06/11/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agreed. For the most part I purchase all media I consume. Every-once in a while i'll torrent something especially if it gets leaked before the offical release date. Even though I am not depriving anyone of physical property it is still theft. Government should leave this alone and have the companies file suit if they choose to do so.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
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trashcansean said: By the way, for those of you who think this is only for copyright infringement, I believe that is incorrect. I have studied this document with a few others, and we believe infringement to be used in a context that means breaking any law, or providing anything whether it be idea or a physical object that can be used in a way to break the law. I do not believe this bill will be passed!
I don't think it will pass either.
But can you post the parts that make you and others that have studied it beleive it to be more than just a copyright infringement bill.
That's all I asked before.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: 4runner]
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That would be nice if someone could post that info. As far as I can tell it just looks like an expansion of what the DOJ did last year in seazing domain's.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
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well here is one part that led us to believe this. although we were taking it in as a whole document not just parts
1 SEC. 3. ENHANCING ENFORCEMENT AGAINST ROGUE 2 WEBSITES OPERATED AND REGISTERED 3 OVERSEAS. 4 (a) COMMENCEMENT OF AN ACTION.— 5 (1) IN PERSONAM.—The Attorney General may 6 commence an in personam action against— 7 (A) a registrant of a nondomestic domain 8 name used by an Internet site dedicated to in- 9 fringing activities; or 10 (B) an owner or operator of an Internet 11 site dedicated to infringing activities accessed 12 through a nondomestic domain name. 13 (2) IN REM.—If through due diligence the At- 14 torney General is unable to find a person described 15 in subparagraphs (A) or (B) of paragraph (1), or no 16 such person found has an address within a judicial 17 district of the United States, the Attorney General 18 may commence an in rem action against a non- 19 domestic domain name used by an Internet site dedi- 20 cated to infringing activities.
One of the reasons I thought, was because the definition of infringement in law is not always having to do with copyright. I have read over several cases from personal things, that mention infringement where no copyright has been infringed upon.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
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I think the real point here is that once/if this is passed that its only a matter of time before the cencorship becomes tighter and tighter.
The internet should be a no mans land where no one has the rightt to make restrictions. Thats not to say i agree with or advecate all the content it contains but its the princible of the matter.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: 2Cents]
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The slippery slope argument definetly applies to the government. It's like that story with the frog and slowly raising the water tempature.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
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I skimmed the whole thing, and from what I can gather, the purpose of this is to protect the assets of big pharma, more than anything.
Near the end it specifically mentions websites selling controlled or non-controlled prescription medications, as being "infringing" websites.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14597298 - 06/11/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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trashcansean said: By the way, for those of you who think this is only for copyright infringement, I believe that is incorrect. I have studied this document with a few others, and we believe infringement to be used in a context that means breaking any law, or providing anything whether it be idea or a physical object that can be used in a way to break the law.
can you copy and past the relavent sections because I read it and it certainly doesnt lead me to believe that at all
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: CidneyIndole]
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CidneyIndole said: I skimmed the whole thing, and from what I can gather, the purpose of this is to protect the assets of big pharma, more than anything.
Near the end it specifically mentions websites selling controlled or non-controlled prescription medications, as being "infringing" websites.
they can only be considered infringing if they are selling counterfeits such as the viagra fakes that were being sold several years ago, the bill defines infringing
(3) DEFINITIONS.—For purposes of this sub- 18 section— 19 (A) the term ‘‘adulterated’’ has the same 20 meaning as in section 501 of the Federal Food, 21 Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 351); 22 (B) an ‘‘infringing Internet site that en- 23 dangers the public health’’ means—
(i) an Internet site dedicated to in- 1 fringing activities for which the counterfeit 2 products that it offers, sells, dispenses, or 3 distributes are controlled or non-controlled 4 prescription medication;
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