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Caine
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591387 - 06/10/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said: You should really edit that post into your OP. That would certainly mean the end of the shroomery.
except that it wouldnt, the shroomery doesnt sell spores
Yeah but he specifically said it would also include sites that explain "how to do something illegal"
You can definitely learn how to grow psilocybin mushrooms here...
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Doc_T]
#14591407 - 06/10/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Who are "they"? Define "censoring"?
The government.
The dictionary.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: trashcansean]
#14591411 - 06/10/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah.
it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is, but it diesnt infringe upon the rights of an individual or company to sell authorized materials like nike shoes, gucci hand bags or the anarchists cookbook, what it does restrict is websites selling known counterfeits and copyrighted/trademarked material illegally
it also only covers it if the goods and services offered by such sites are made available to people residing in the US
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591425 - 06/10/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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He specifically said
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal,
I want to see where that is in the bill. Not what someone basically got out of it.
The summery of the PROTECT IP Act
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The PROTECT IP Act Copyright infringement and the sale of counterfeit goods are reported to cost American creatorsand producers billions of dollars and to result in hundreds of thousands in lost jobs annually.This pervasive problem has assumed an especially threatening form on the Internet. Consumersare increasingly lured to well-designed websites that are devoted almost exclusively tounauthorized downloads and streaming of copyrighted content or sale of counterfeit goods.
These rogue Internet sites are often outside the reach of U.S. law enforcement because they areforeign-owned and operated, or reside at domain names that are not registered through a U.S.-based registry or registrar. The illegal products offered at these websites are wide-ranging, fromthe latest movie or music hits to pharmaceuticals and consumer products.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591430 - 06/10/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah.
it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is, but it diesnt infringe upon the rights of an individual or company to sell authorized materials like nike shoes, gucci hand bags or the anarchists cookbook, what it does restrict is websites selling known counterfeits and copyrighted/trademarked material illegally
it also only covers it if the goods and services offered by such sites are made available to people residing in the US
Oh  So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591433 - 06/10/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Caine said: You should really edit that post into your OP. That would certainly mean the end of the shroomery.
except that it wouldnt, the shroomery doesnt sell spores
Yeah but he specifically said it would also include sites that explain "how to do something illegal"
You can definitely learn how to grow psilocybin mushrooms here...
he specifically explained wrongly
http://leahy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BillText-PROTECTIPAct.pdf
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591447 - 06/10/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said: So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
if pirate bay is in the US then yes, since they're located overseas and can be accessed via google by proxy, no. all it allows for is the mailing of a court order to search engines to remove and block sites that infringe on trademarks and intellectual property, the bill also specifies that no other court action will be taken
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591449 - 06/10/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caine said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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trashcansean said: Ok basically what i got out of the document and others that i have read about it, any domain under us jurisdiction will not be able to have material that explains or sells the means to do something illegal, whether it be silly spores, bongs, anarchists cookbook, blah blah blah.
it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is, but it diesnt infringe upon the rights of an individual or company to sell authorized materials like nike shoes, gucci hand bags or the anarchists cookbook, what it does restrict is websites selling known counterfeits and copyrighted/trademarked material illegally
it also only covers it if the goods and services offered by such sites are made available to people residing in the US
Oh  So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
And if the analogue act is applied, potentially all RC vendors.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591466 - 06/10/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Caine said: So this would shut down sites like the pirate bay for good.
if pirate bay is in the US then yes, since they're located overseas and can be accessed via google by proxy, no. all it allows for is the mailing of a court order to search engines to remove and block sites that infringe on trademarks and intellectual property, the bill also specifies that no other court action will be taken
So a proxy will get around the blacklisted sites?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: BothHands]
#14591470 - 06/10/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yup.
there's a number of blocked sites already, the poker sites being the most recent, if you try and access them from the US you get the DOJ page, use a foreign proxy and you get the site
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591479 - 06/10/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting. And BothHands, I bet the more lucrative RC businesses would probably opt for offshore hosting to escape the shutdown.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591486 - 06/10/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: yup.
there's a number of blocked sites already, the poker sites being the most recent, if you try and access them from the US you get the DOJ page, use a foreign proxy and you get the site
What about your cash money though? If a U.S. credit card is being used then no bueno?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591494 - 06/10/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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They'd still be blocked, even offshore. But as Pris pointed out, a proxy could get around the block.
I'm also interested in torrents though. I don't think I can get my torrent program to connect via a proxy. But I'm sure they'll probably add that ability if this passes, right?
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What about your cash money though? If a U.S. credit card is being used then no bueno?
Also a good question. Alertpay should still work though, right?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: BothHands]
#14591500 - 06/10/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hopefully they wouldn't be prosecuted in that case, though. No matter, they've already drafted bills to ban 2C's and I bet subbed tryptamines will follow not long after.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Caine]
#14591510 - 06/10/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Though I'll miss the 2C's, something new will always be available. I'm more worried about completely losing access to the websites.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: BothHands]
#14591516 - 06/10/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Download peerblock. Block http and you can see all the i.p's that are monitoring your whereabouts or something such,all the while keeping you hidden.
That and tor is a pretty good combo I'd imagine.
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14591767 - 06/10/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: it says nothing of the sort, neither spores or bongs are copyrighted material while the anarchist cookbook is
Does the copyright holder need to make the claim, or is this proactive, they plan to go around stomping out counterfeits?
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Doc_T]
#14591789 - 06/10/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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from what I've read, if someone makes a complaint they check it out and block it, nothing further gets done, apparently the starving africans can still buy gucci knockoffs as soon as they get their free charity lap tops
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14592074 - 06/10/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think it's the companies job to keep everything secret i mean they have contracts and they can hire the technology if something gets out
i dont see how suing people for clicking the wrong link or sharing information should be THAT prosecutable
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Re: They are censoring the internet (PROTECT IP ACT)!!!!!!! Help [Re: Konyap]
#14592137 - 06/10/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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no one is getting sued for the shit, not even the site owners, at least not by the government and if the companies keep shit secret then we'll be in the stone age because that new car they've built cant be released because it's a secret, there will be no more updated in computer technology or software because it's gotta be kept a secret, no new movies, I mean it's not as if the new ones arent just recycled old ones but still... you get the point
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