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Are we all just one consciousness......?
    #14584357 - 06/09/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Experiencing itself Subjectively??


I was high as a kite last night and was thinking about this. The more I thought
about it at the time the more it seemed to be true. Kinda creepy in a way once you
think about the idea and pick it apart for a while.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584402 - 06/09/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think we are like ants in a way...


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: danlennon3]
    #14584435 - 06/09/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ants?


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584477 - 06/09/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've thought about this too...it makes sense in a way. We are all experiencing the same life in a sense. We are all part of the same world, coexisting, but to say that there is one consciousness, that we all are, but interpret differently seems a little out there...

I have no idea though.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584488 - 06/09/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ants?





Look at society from an airplane, not too different from looking at a society of ants on the ground maybe.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14584498 - 06/09/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The only big similarity I see is that we are both large groups of organisms living together.

I think if humans were so one minded in their devotion to the furthering of their peoples and not themselves (like ants) than things would be better around here :awesome:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: danlennon3]
    #14584511 - 06/09/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Had a nice solo series of DMT trips and after returning from hyperspace but still tripping balls, I would think about these theories and ideas, collective consciousness and the like. 

Waking life dives into this as well, which is a good flick to watch on a lower dose mushroom trip or on the way down of a higher one. 

There's so many things that we don't know about and don't understand.

I wish I could accept all that knowledge at once.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14584530 - 06/09/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ants?





Look at society from an airplane, not too different from looking at a society of ants on the ground maybe.




I do not like the comparison and does not fit with the subject.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: twighead]
    #14584536 - 06/09/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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twighead said:
The only big similarity I see is that we are both large groups of organisms living together.

I think if humans were so one minded in their devotion to the furthering of their peoples and not themselves (like ants) than things would be better around here :awesome:





Try not to think of a one minded human consciousness. But just consciousness as is.
We are born and consciousness takes form and experiences itself through us and our
daily struggles. Kind of a tricky thing to talk about.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584541 - 06/09/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

so the supreme consciousness, is that God?
God uses us so it can experience things in life? What a selfish consciousness!


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14584556 - 06/09/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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so the supreme consciousness, is that God?
God uses us so it can experience things in life? What a selfish consciousness!





I wouldn't say god. When I try to wrap my head around the idea of god and always
end up hitting a "brick wall" :lol:


What you say could be true in a way though.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14584599 - 06/09/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No need to call it god. Useless word. It just is.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: twighead]
    #14584617 - 06/09/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well I didn't mean god in the traditional sense, but god is a good word to use when trying to describe a supreme being, or entity, or consciousness.

I agree though, the concept of God just boggles my mind. Where did God come from?


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: Anthony917] * 1
    #14584619 - 06/09/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Well I didn't mean god in the traditional sense, but god is a good word to use when trying to describe a supreme being, or entity, or consciousness.

I agree though, the concept of God just boggles my mind. Where did God come from?





The bible?


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584621 - 06/09/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i was thinking about it last night too, and yeh, it's definitely true. we are all like mirrors to one another.. idk it's fucking awesome and it all makes sense. for some reason it makes even more sense after i take a dissociative


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14584629 - 06/09/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Anthony917 said:
Well I didn't mean god in the traditional sense, but god is a good word to use when trying to describe a supreme being, or entity, or consciousness.

I agree though, the concept of God just boggles my mind. Where did God come from?





The bible?




:lolsy:

yes.


honestly though most religion sprouts from the fear of death, and the ability to capitalize and gain based on people's fears. It's really sickening.

I hope I find out wtf the universe is about when I die...but I probably won't.

It makes sense we could all be one consciousness though. then, when we die, we are instantly reborn, as another part of the same consciousness?
How does death play into this theory? Do we become part of the consciousness when we die? Aren't we already a part of it?

so then there is no death? :header:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584651 - 06/09/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Little nodes of God,
so that it can view itself.

We are gods expansion looking back at itself.  Infinity like holding a mirror to a mirror and looking in :strokebeard:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14584656 - 06/09/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Had a nice solo series of DMT trips and after returning from hyperspace but still tripping balls, I would think about these theories and ideas, collective consciousness and the like. 

Waking life dives into this as well, which is a good flick to watch on a lower dose mushroom trip or on the way down of a higher one. 

There's so many things that we don't know about and don't understand.

I wish I could accept all that knowledge at once.





Just added Waking Life to my DVD queue on Netflix. Thanks. :thumbup:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584657 - 06/09/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

We are like ants because we both operate on auto pilot 99% of the time ;-)

For most of a humans live - it does not exorcise its free will.  Think about it.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584663 - 06/09/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Synthettek said:
Had a nice solo series of DMT trips and after returning from hyperspace but still tripping balls, I would think about these theories and ideas, collective consciousness and the like. 

Waking life dives into this as well, which is a good flick to watch on a lower dose mushroom trip or on the way down of a higher one. 

There's so many things that we don't know about and don't understand.

I wish I could accept all that knowledge at once.





Just added Waking Life to my DVD queue on Netflix. Thanks. :thumbup:





Its a really good movie.


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Little nodes of God,
so that it can view itself.

We are gods expansion looking back at itself.  Infinity like holding a mirror to a mirror and looking in :strokebeard:





God is weird mother fucker.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14584667 - 06/09/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There is and will always be death, but you just get reincarnated instantly.  Well, not you, but me, err, us.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14584669 - 06/09/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Well I didn't mean god in the traditional sense, but god is a good word to use when trying to describe a supreme being, or entity, or consciousness.

I agree though, the concept of God just boggles my mind. Where did God come from?





The bible?




:rotfl:  Come on Alex,

the people who wrote the bible were not the first civilisation to imagine the concept of God.  Thats hilarious and ludicrous.

How long has humanity existed?  How long has the bible existed?  Go figure.

Maybe research some pre christian civilisation :thumbup:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE]
    #14584752 - 06/09/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Just added Waking Life to my DVD queue on Netflix. Thanks. :thumbup:




For sure brother.  I'm sure you'll like it if you've ever done any sort of psychedelics before. 


First time I saw it I was tripping some strong acid and it made me think about so much shit.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1] * 1
    #14584756 - 06/09/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

We are nothing more than mere masks the One Infinite Creator wears to know itself - through its Creation. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex (you) views another mind/body/spirit complex ("someone else"/otherself), see the Creator. This is a helpful exercise. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator. Gaze at the world around you which surrounds the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

There is no right or wrong path. There are no paradoxes, as all things are one (though all things which arise afterwards are invariably distorted, i.e. the notion of separation).

In order to allow the mechanisms of Free Will to function (thus allowing a purity of experience for the life experiences of each spirit) it is imperative that a veil be placed which causes one to forget that they are indeed the Creator. With this veil in place the variety of experiences available became vast and infinite, whereas if all were incarnated with the knowledge that "I am the Creator" that would greatly diminish and narrow the variety of what one would undergo. We are ultimately here to experience, playing a grand old game of hide and seek with ourselves.

Incarnation in this density/plane of existence is the only one in which this information is forgotten, as this world about us is essentially a classroom and a playground for our souls to learn the lessons it needs to. No path is wrong - this is something no religion will tell you. No, all roads taken, every road taken inevitably leads back to the Source.

Moreover, do not forget that each and every one of you is indeed the One Infinite Creator. It is not something which is separate from yourselves (thus I refrain from using the terminology "god").

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584764 - 06/09/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

skatealex2 said:
Quote:

Anthony917 said:
Well I didn't mean god in the traditional sense, but god is a good word to use when trying to describe a supreme being, or entity, or consciousness.

I agree though, the concept of God just boggles my mind. Where did God come from?





The bible?




:rotfl:  Come on Alex,

the people who wrote the bible were not the first civilisation to imagine the concept of God.  Thats hilarious and ludicrous.

How long has humanity existed?  How long has the bible existed?  Go figure.

Maybe research some pre christian civilisation :thumbup:





Haha true that.        I see on google someone saying Greece was the first civilization to belive in God.  I'm really tired today so anyting i post will probably come out messed up.  :hypnotic:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14584767 - 06/09/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

sounds like bull shit to me.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584773 - 06/09/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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sounds like bull shit to me.





Hows so? Not saying I believe what he says.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14584774 - 06/09/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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We are nothing more than mere masks the One Infinite Creator wears to know itself - through its Creation. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex (you) views another mind/body/spirit complex ("someone else"/otherself), see the Creator. This is a helpful exercise. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator. Gaze at the world around you which surrounds the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

There is no right or wrong path. There are no paradoxes, as all things are one (though all things which arise afterwards are invariably distorted, i.e. the notion of separation).

In order to allow the mechanisms of Free Will to function (thus allowing a purity of experience for the life experiences of each spirit) it is imperative that a veil be placed which causes one to forget that they are indeed the Creator. With this veil in place the variety of experiences available became vast and infinite, whereas if all were incarnated with the knowledge that "I am the Creator" that would greatly diminish and narrow the variety of what one would undergo. We are ultimately here to experience, playing a grand old game of hide and seek with ourselves.

Incarnation in this density/plane of existence is the only one in which this information is forgotten, as this world about us is essentially a classroom and a playground for our souls to learn the lessons it needs to. No path is wrong - this is something no religion will tell you. No, all roads taken, every road taken inevitably leads back to the Source.

Moreover, do not forget that each and every one of you is indeed the One Infinite Creator. It is not something which is separate from yourselves (thus I refrain from using the terminology "god").

The Law is One.




:brilliant:  I like it


This part "In order to allow the mechanisms of Free Will to function (thus allowing a purity of experience for the life experiences of each spirit) it is imperative that a veil be placed which causes one to forget that they are indeed the Creator." is food for thought... unexplored territory for me :strokebeard:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584808 - 06/09/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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LayinUp said:
sounds like bull shit to me.





Hows so? Not saying I believe what he says.




I would really hope you don't believe what I say right off the bat. I believe in nothing unless it resonates with me deeply. I approached this information with extreme skepticism yet retained an open mind and through my own life experiences have had this notion reaffirmed for me. We have all had vastly different life experiences, we all operate and contemplate in different manners (moreso that we've ALL went through countless psychedelic rewirings) so I welcome those who would call BS/dismiss these as some "new age rambling" or what have you, especially since it takes a while for this Law of One stuff to sink in (I spent 2 years avidly studying and contemplating it to get as much an understanding of it as I do now)

However I would be interested in knowing why you would deem it bullshit?

1 – The principle is universally applicable, non sectarian, available to all.
2 – No particular skills and knowledge are required. It works for everyone.
3 – It is based on the respect of Free Will, with no manipulation.
4 – It is self-empowering, and based on individual choices.
5 – It does not rely on judgement, and is based on unconditional love.
6 – It is non-dogmatic.
7 – It promotes unity, rather than separation.

I am merely offering this information here as a catalyst. Whether one chooses to utilize this catalyst or not is beyond my control.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14584817 - 06/09/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A man true to my heart.

He deems it bullshit because he holds beliefs already.  Thats the point ;-)

Mind closed, case closed. 

I hold no beliefs in anything.  How can I?  The point of learning is to change.  I'm not old and ignorant yet.  Some people get there at 14 others its 60 - I hope to stay open forever.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584819 - 06/09/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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A man true to my heart.

He deems it bullshit because he holds beliefs already.  Thats the point ;-)

Mind closed, case closed. 

I hold no beliefs in anything.  How can I?





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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1] * 1
    #14584825 - 06/09/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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:brilliant:  I like it


This part "In order to allow the mechanisms of Free Will to function (thus allowing a purity of experience for the life experiences of each spirit) it is imperative that a veil be placed which causes one to forget that they are indeed the Creator." is food for thought... unexplored territory for me :strokebeard:




I am only rehashing that knowledge which is available to us all, yet simultaneously really fucking complex to truly and fully grasp. It's a pretty simple sentence, right? "All is One". Yet the implications of that are astronomical, and it is NOT something we will ever fully penetrate, at least not in this density/level/plane of existence we are at.

www.lawofone.info is the main website, but luckily there are study guides which I find EXTREMELY helpful and I honestly wish I'd have found them 2 years ago!

http://home.comcast.net/~super-manny/eBooks/The%20Law%20of%20One%20Study%20Guide%20V.2.pdf


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14584853 - 06/09/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No, we're billions of individual great apes, fighting each other, advancing our own agendas and forming special interest groups in a desperate bid to see life play out the way we think it should. Some want peace and happiness bestowed on everyone else, some want to see their own hate and pain inflicted on the world. Most just want to get laid, get high, have kids and die satisfied.

The idea of a unified consciousness is like any other religious afterlife idea; we created the idea to soften our conscious awareness of the fact that we will die.

I personally love the idea that when we die the metaphorical raindrop we existed as on earth will splash into the ocean of consciousness (thanks Chinacat), but I don't really believe it will happen.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14584859 - 06/09/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A little backstory: In 1981-84 a group of individuals well versed in psychic phenomenon, metaphysics, what have you (Carla Ruckert, Don Elkins, Jim McCarthy) channeled (as in, to communicate with a foreign source using one of them as a medium) an entity which presented itself as "Ra", a "social memory complex" (which I can gather is a large group of completely integrated souls - or "group soul") anyways, the semantics on this aren't too important. What is important is the data that this entity relayed to them which comprises the entirety of the Law of One channelings - though topics such as healing, Earth history, pyramids, etc. were all covered.

Hence why I posted the study guide since it just filters out all the miscellaneous info and presents the actual Law of One. If you're curious about stuff like Atlantis or pyramids or chakras then you can have a look at the main website, but be warned it is fucking EXTENSIVE. Even I haven't gotten through all the topics presented in it!


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14584871 - 06/09/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven

i read half the replies in this thread and feel like im sitting in a church - a bunch of unsupported theories


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584882 - 06/09/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No, we're billions of individual great apes, fighting each other, advancing our own agendas and forming special interest groups in a desperate bid to see life play out the way we think it should. Some want peace and happiness bestowed on everyone else, some want to see their own hate and pain inflicted on the world. Most just want to get laid, get high, have kids and die satisfied.

The idea of a unified consciousness is like any other religious afterlife idea; we created the idea to soften our conscious awareness of the fact that we will die.

I personally love the idea that when we die the metaphorical raindrop we existed as on earth will splash into the ocean of consciousness (thanks Chinacat), but I don't really believe it will happen.




Therein lies the beauty of Creation. The evil Illuminati suit and tie progressing towards global domination, the peaceful Sadhu, the beggar, the drunk, the Shroomery member, the average joe: exist. Thus they are one. Let no consideration of bird or beast, darkness or light, shape or shadow prevent you from seeing the true implications of unity.

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it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven

i read half the replies in this thread and feel like im sitting in a church - a bunch of unsupported theories




What then, do you believe in my friend? There is a distinction between a theory and a belief. Would you go into a tribe of Lakota Indians and tell them their beliefs are bullshit?


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14584885 - 06/09/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I agree but

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The idea of a unified consciousness is like any other religious afterlife idea; we created the idea to soften our conscious awareness of the fact that we will die.




This is not nessacerily true.  It seems logical from a cynical POV but its not definite.  Theres data suggesting there is an "afterlife".  NDEs, ghosts etc  I have to wonder how these things enter our reality at all if the cynical POV is as logical as it first appears.

Once could state they are manifestions of our mind too yet I have personally seen tons of data to suggest they are not.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584889 - 06/09/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Waking Life is my favorite movie of all time, but calling it a movie does not cover all that it is. I have seen it well over 100 times and EVERY time I learn something new. Some scenes that I used to think were boring are now the most interesting to me. As I grow, I understand more and more of what is transmitted through that little disc.

Go watch it.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584897 - 06/09/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven





What is not a theory?

Please prove anything absolutely and I will send you my life savings.  :hehehe:


Oh I get it... your theories are better than ours?  You shit don't stink, huh?


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584907 - 06/09/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven





What is not a theory?

Please prove anything absolutely and I will send you my life savings.  :hehehe:




Ythan created the Shroomery.

Check please :chillin:

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584909 - 06/09/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Can you UNPROVE them!?!?!




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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14584914 - 06/09/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I need absolute proof.

:money: waiting :smile:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584917 - 06/09/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven





What is not a theory?

Please prove anything absolutely and I will send you my life savings.  :hehehe:





i will tell you what is not a theory: when you bump into something in the dark, that's reality. that's real. you can't see the chair, but you bump into it anyway. because it is really there. your awareness of the chair has no effect on it.

the way i see people inventing their own pseudo-religion-science on a daily basis is ridiculous.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584918 - 06/09/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I need absolute proof.

:money: waiting :smile:




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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584925 - 06/09/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i already answered him. send me your money now princess


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584926 - 06/09/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ever heard of quantum mechanics?

Particles can go through solid objects.  There is scientific proof that you can go through a chair - its simply highly unlikely.

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584940 - 06/09/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ever heard of quantum mechanics?

Particles can go through solid objects.  There is scientific proof that you can go through a chair - its simply highly unlikely.

NEXT!  :lol:




there is a reason its called the THEORY of quantum mechanics.

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584945 - 06/09/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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LayinUp said:
it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven





What is not a theory?

Please prove anything absolutely and I will send you my life savings.  :hehehe:


Oh I get it... your theories are better than ours?  You shit don't stink, huh?




Back to this again then...

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584954 - 06/09/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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nice1 said:
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it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven





What is not a theory?

Please prove anything absolutely and I will send you my life savings.  :hehehe:


Oh I get it... your theories are better than ours?  You shit don't stink, huh?





Back to this again then...

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584958 - 06/09/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hahaha, there is no data for ghosts or the paranormal. Human beings have a tendency to see faces where there aren't any. It's bred into our genes, b/c babies that didn't respond to the faces of their parents were likely discarded in favor of ones who did. Ghosts are as real as the man in the moon.

NDEs are interesting, I've experienced one myself. It was much like a DMT trip, but shorter. In mine, the OEVs turned the girls who took my bleeding ass to the hospital into Valkyries, which I laughed at, b/c in my youth I always thought Nordic religions were the coolest. I never believed it though. That experience suggested to me that NDEs are a coping mechanism built into us, a way for us to relax and have some peace as we die. We're shown what we wanted to believe was coming.


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    #14584961 - 06/09/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Oh I get it... your theories are better than ours?  You shit don't stink, huh?




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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584962 - 06/09/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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nice1 said:
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it's bullshit because there is no way any of these silly little theories can ever be proven





What is not a theory?

Please prove anything absolutely and I will send you my life savings.  :hehehe:


Oh I get it... your theories are better than ours?  You shit don't stink, huh?




Back to this again then...

NEXT!




Thread made. Now all that is needed is Ythan's input.

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14584966 - 06/09/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You have yet to prove anything absolutely friend.

Cash waiting.

Your attempt of going through a chair as an example failed because particles can go through solid objects thus its possible just unlikely.


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    #14584972 - 06/09/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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you owe me money.




You owe yourself the ability to ammend your beliefs.


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    #14584980 - 06/09/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There is this theory called cosmic habituation in which all kinds of phenomena change due to being observed.  There is a radio program where the scientist credited with the theory was asked what could possibly be the cause of this in your wildest speculation.  He said "It would answer a lot of questions if there was some kind of unified consciousness".
Here is the link.
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14584983 - 06/09/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with most of your post again,

except this

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Hahaha, there is no data for ghosts or the paranormal.




There is personal experience.  Ghosts have been shown to be interacting with our environment, physical change.  I've personally witnessed it on several occasions.  Unfortunately its not repeatable.  I've yet figured out how to get a ghost to come down to the lab for testing and peer review with me :wink:

They exist in every culture on the planet.  We have recordings.  Unfortunately thats as good as it gets but to say theres no data is ludicrous.  human history is FULL of it.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14584996 - 06/09/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Your attempt of going through a chair as an example failed because particles can go through solid objects thus its possible just unlikely.




no, my attempt didn't fail. prove to me someone can walk through a chair.

if you fucking KNEW anything...

Interestingly, this theory does not only apply to subatomic particles, but also to macroscopic objects like me, you, and Donald Trump’s hair. Since our bodies are composed of particles, each of which are just wave functions, your body is simply the superposition of these zillions of wave functions, thereby creating its own “macroscopic” wave function. Theoretically, for this reason, you have a finite probability of passing through a wooden door, much like the electron tunneling effect. But, don’t try it. Because, when you sum up all of your constituent particles’ wave functions, there is a mathematical tendency for the probabilities of large-scale anomalous quantum effects to be extremely small. It is analogous to flipping pennies. The odds that a single penny comes up heads (electron passes through the barrier) is 50-50, but the odds that 1000 pennies all come up heads (you pass through the door) is 2^^1000 (equivalent to a 1 followed by 301 zeros, an impossible to imagine large number) to 1. And you have a helluva lot more than 1000 subatomic particles in your body. Given how much matter there is in a human, the mathematical probability of someone ever walking through a wall is greater than the estimated life expectancy of our universe - if it is possible at all.

Notice how this how block of bullshit starts out with "Interestingly, this theory"? Key word, theory? :smile:

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14585010 - 06/09/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Seems you have forgotten where we started friend. 

You called our theories bullshit and I asked you why your theories were better and if you could prove anything.  :lol:


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    #14585020 - 06/09/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Hahaha, there is no data for ghosts or the paranormal.




ever watched ghost adventures?? :lol:

seriously though they DO get some unexplained and weird shit during their investigations and it makes me wonder...
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    #14585023 - 06/09/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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:lol:

Seems you have forgotten where we started friend. 

You called our theories bullshit and I asked you why your theories were better and if you could prove anything.  :lol:





it has become obvious to me that you are a dumbass, that's my theory.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585045 - 06/09/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Insult me because your arguement is wrong as opposed to amending your POV.  :yawn:  Is learning dead?

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    #14585064 - 06/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There is personal experience.  Ghosts have been shown to be interacting with our environment, physical change.  I've personally witnessed it on several occasions.  Unfortunately its not repeatable.  I've yet figured out how to get a ghost to come down to the lab for testing and peer review with me :wink:




Personal experience is the most unreliable form of evidence there is. Eyewitness testimony has been showed time and time again to be mostly worthless, as our imperfect memories highly distort what we really experienced. We've all felt the presence of someone in an empty room, we've all hallucinated faces in the dark. What's more likely, that our brain made a mistake, as it's known to do, or that we saw the soul of somebody who died and stayed on earth?

Ghosts have never been shown to interact with our environment. They've been said to, sure; never shown (unless you consider a chair on Ghost Hunters sliding in the dark to be valid evidence, LOL). If you tell a group of people that a building (which has no history of ghost sightings) is haunted and you send them in, you'll hear stories of eerie feelings and occasionally, a few encounters.

We're highly susceptible to hallucinations and suggestibility. When I was a kid I had repeated hallucinations that I called The Golden Things. They were little fairy/angel things that would come up to my window at night and dance there while I watched. I tried to show my parents and brothers but they never saw them. It's as normal for an adult to hallucinate humanoid figures as it is for a child.


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    #14585065 - 06/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There is this theory called cosmic habituation in which all kinds of phenomena change due to being observed.  There is a radio program where the scientist credited with the theory was asked what could possibly be the cause of this in your wildest speculation.  He said "It would answer a lot of questions if there was some kind of unified consciousness".
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    #14585078 - 06/09/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

LOL see above ^^^

and what isn't eye witness testimony ;-)


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    #14585082 - 06/09/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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:lol:

Seems you have forgotten where we started friend. 

You called our theories bullshit and I asked you why your theories were better and if you could prove anything.  :lol:





it has become obvious to me that you are a dumbass, that's my theory.




He is not a dumbass.

His ponderings and beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither is above another.

I have relayed what information I can, you have seen it, thus in your mind this concept will exist. If you so choose further along your own path that by any chance you ever wish to return to this information it will be available to you at any time, irregardless of what your current beliefs and perspectives are.


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    #14585111 - 06/09/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, he just went full circle and failed to notice the point...  which was that we are all just talking about theories.

For all anyone knows we are in the matrix.  Prove anything.  Nobody can.  Philosophers have been preaching this stuff since man ever put chissel to stone.

I see the issue though.  He believes his theories.  I'm glad I believe nothing :wink: its only posabilities for me.


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    #14585166 - 06/09/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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His ponderings and beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither is above another.




This is my biggest problem with superstition and pseudoscience. The belief that is based on enormous amounts of repeatable data, scoured over and scrutinized by thousands of the smartest people the world has to offer certainly is above the half-baked ideas of a stoned guy.

Take for example, the group of Channelers you mentioned earlier. Nobody tests those people. Nobody asks these grand entities to solve a complex math equation to prove that they really do possess some higher knowledge. If they did, they'd surely be booed and scoffed at by the believers in the room. But ask them about any topic that the channelers are familiar with and you'll get a mouthful.

In the long run, you can say that there is no harm done, that letting you have a world view based on the meanderings of con artists and whatever ideas seem the most pleasing to you doesn't affect anybody else. But, one belief is certainly more valid and it isn't the one that accepts dragons and magic as part of reality.


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    #14585191 - 06/09/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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and what isn't eye witness testimony ;-)




Data compiled by thousands of people who independently tested a hypothesis and came to the same conclusions.

One person sees a ghost - nothing noteworthy there. Five thousand people see the same ghost and it's recorded on several cameras affecting the physical world - I'll check it out.


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    #14585200 - 06/09/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I put it simply...

Everyone has theories thats all.
Nobody can prove they have the correct theories.

Science is a tool (method) and does not deal in absolutes.    (It is the best method we have created though to my knowledge)
Only faith (belief) such as religions deal in absolutes.  :wink:


It is that simple.

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    #14585213 - 06/09/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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His ponderings and beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither is above another.




This is my biggest problem with superstition and pseudoscience. The belief that is based on enormous amounts of repeatable data, scoured over and scrutinized by thousands of the smartest people the world has to offer certainly is above the half-baked ideas of a stoned guy.

Take for example, the group of Channelers you mentioned earlier. Nobody tests those people. Nobody asks these grand entities to solve a complex math equation to prove that they really do possess some higher knowledge. If they did, they'd surely be booed and scoffed at by the believers in the room. But ask them about any topic that the channelers are familiar with and you'll get a mouthful.

In the long run, you can say that there is no harm done, that letting you have a world view based on the meanderings of con artists and whatever ideas seem the most pleasing to you doesn't affect anybody else. But, one belief is certainly more valid and it isn't the one that accepts dragons and magic as part of reality.




I am fairly certain I did not touch upon superstition or pseudoscience in what information I have offered. Whether these people were tested for their validity or their results, I am not certain, but what is certain is that whatever method they may have utilized to achieve their intended goal they have, and this is evidenced by their results which comprise the Law of One material. This material exists, does it not? I will also mention that they have 20 years of experience in various fields pertaining to the nature of what they do.

I would not be so quick to say that these worldviews (singularity or unification) are those of the ponderings of con artists, as these are worldviews which predate many.

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I put it simply...

Everyone has theories thats all.
Nobody can prove they have the correct theories.

Science is a tool (method) and does not deal in absolutes.    (It is the best method we have created though to my knowledge)
Only faith (belief) such as religions deal in absolutes.  :wink:


It is that simple.

Only our egos blind us from accepting this.




Very much so. People forget that science is merely an approach, and an effective one at that, but science on its own cannot provide all the answers in relation to the bigger picture. It is the conjunction of science and esoteric/spiritual practices which will indeed be the future.


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    #14585218 - 06/09/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Right, everyone has theories, none of them are perfect, but some are based on facts, data, peer review and application to the objective reality that all sane people experience, while others are based on fear, con artists, ignorance and nonsense.

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    #14585226 - 06/09/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So does a mass concensus reality make it any more real or closer to truth than one mans theory of reality?  :grin:

facts, shcmacks...

Science or faith?

Science has not declared ghosts untrue.  There is data for ghosts.  To say there isn't is not science.  Its faith.

You must remain open to the posabilty.  Else you are a believer.


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    #14585275 - 06/09/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously not or else Mohammed would be God.

It's application to the real world and universe, the integrity of the data, the repeatability of the experiments and the education/intelligence of the people consenting do. Science isn't perfect, but it's the best, most accurate information we have about our world and it's been able to predict future events far better than any of the umpteen thousand channelers or mystics who have spouted nonsense (at a cost) over the centuries.

Sunset_mission, channeling is without any doubt pseudoscience/superstition. It's a group of people who charge money to sit there and watch them connect with a made up entity that never says anything new or contradictory to what their audience believes. I can guarantee you that they aren't tested for validity.

And in response to your edit, Nice_1, as I said earlier; One person sees a ghost - nothing noteworthy there. Five thousand people see the same ghost and it's recorded on several cameras affecting the physical world - I'll check it out.

I welcome the existence of ghosts, aliens and fire-breathing dragons, but until I see anything that suggests they are real and not simply the imagination or tired/drunk hallucinations of one person, I'll continue to not accept them as reality.


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Ghosts are as real as the man in the moon.






100% false


Sure I cant prove it. But it does not mean its bullshit.

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Ghosts are as real as the man in the moon.






100% false


Sure I cant prove it. But it does not mean its bullshit.

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    #14585308 - 06/09/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cool we are in agreement then.

Apart from

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there is no data for ghosts or the paranormal.




Where we started off.  :grin:

You require personal experience to alter your theory of likelyness :smile:  I have had those personal experiences, multiple witness, convincing as anything else in this reality - I hope you do too one day.  :smile:

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    #14585309 - 06/09/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, well I'll leave the burden of proof on you who believe in them.

I suppose it depends on how you define "real" as well. For my part, I don't accept hallucinations as reality. On a forum dedicated to hallucinating, I can see how you might differ in that regard.


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Ghosts are as real as we are. I as many many others can tell you the same.
Im not saying you have to believe me or anyone else. But dont sit there and call it
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:facepalm:

I thought we understood each other until that ^^^

Ok back to you proving they are hallcuniations? 

You can't.  We already agreed nothing is provable and science doesn't deal in absolutes. 

Why the faith?  You are using pseudo science yourself because claiming all ghost are hallucination in the name of science when it is faith :facepalm:


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Haha, well I'll leave the burden of proof on you who believe in them.

I suppose it depends on how you define "real" as well. For my part, I don't accept hallucinations as reality. On a forum dedicated to hallucinating, I can see how you might differ in that regard.





I dont need proof. And it is of no burden to me. And the whole "hallucination"
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He has a belief; he calls it science :facepalm:


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sometimes


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Another indicator :wink:


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what about EVPs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomenon





Thats obviously just hallucinations.


That and hearing someone run around downstairs slamming cupboards and moving
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Check out the Enfield poltergeist

It will blow your mind.

Police, newspaper reporters, everyone saw, heard this ghost...

It talked through a little girl and gave the precise details of its name, DOB and method of death which were confirmed years later by the family and the death certificate.

People photographed this child floating around the room.

Of course it was all a mass hallucination just like the millions of other reports coming from every culture throughout human history.  :lol:


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well i mean have you ever heard one? it's definitely sound, sometimes audible words/phrases so its definitely not hallucinations.

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How can you tell what's a hallucination and what's not? You can't. Its all in your brain either way, both outside and inside stimuli.


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:facepalm:

I thought we understood each other until that ^^^

Ok back to you proving they are hallcuniations? 

You can't.  We already agreed nothing is provable and science doesn't deal in absolutes. 

Why the faith?  You are using pseudo science yourself because claiming all ghost are hallucination in the name of science when it is faith :facepalm:




Hahaha, Jesus Christ. :facepalm: I never agreed that "nothing is provable." That's insane. Laws of physics are provable. Maybe not applicable in special relativity, but certainly provable. While I admit science isn't perfect, it is the search for absolutes, and it's the only way we'll uncover those.

I don't have to prove that ghosts are hallucinations. I don't believe in ghosts b/c I've never seen any remarkable evidence for them, same with fire-breathing dragons. I do believe in hallucinations b/c I've experienced them and there are many known ways to trigger them.

My disbelief in ghosts is not faith, it's logic. You see what resembles a human form or face floating in the dark and jump to, "Oh it's the soul of someone who died, still roaming around on earth." That's your theory, fine. My theory is that you're hallucinating, a common phenomenon amongst us great apes. If I'm ever proven wrong, I'll happily discard my theory.

I do believe in proof and I require it to adopt extreme theories like, We're all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively and Ghosts are real evidence of the afterlife and defy our current understanding of the world. :shrug:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14585396 - 06/09/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

uber_aj said:
Hahaha, there is no data for ghosts or the paranormal.




ever watched ghost adventures?? :lol:

seriously though they DO get some unexplained and weird shit during their investigations and it makes me wonder...
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    #14585399 - 06/09/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That child was seriously fucked up and disturbed by what happened to her.  She did play tricks during the investigation but was not responsible for all that happened.

The amount of bizzarre incidents and the facts presented are really astounding.  Even the police went in and witnessed objects flying around on their own.


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    #14585404 - 06/09/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hahah me too. they are pretty ridiculous, and when they get scared it makes me :lol: so hard.

but seriously they get a lot of creepy stuff on there
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    #14585412 - 06/09/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Hahaha, Jesus Christ. :facepalm: I never agreed that "nothing is provable." That's insane. Laws of physics are provable. Maybe not applicable in special relativity, but certainly provable. While I admit science isn't perfect, it is the search for absolutes, and it's the only way we'll uncover those.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Sorry but you are a pseudo scientist then.

Science does not deal in absolutes.  There are no "laws" in the scientific method of reasoning.  You don't even understand what the method is.

"Provable" is an absolute.  You sir have a faith.


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    #14585429 - 06/09/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You believe all ghosts are hallucinations - thats a faith.

You believe scientific theories are absolutes because you call them "laws".


You on par with religion.


As for not agreeing nothing is provable...  back to the question of concensus reality again.  You think its more real or closer to truth because some other people agree. 

Its faith.  Not science.  So stop presenting your beliefs as science.


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    #14585433 - 06/09/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No, we are not. Just more hocus pocus bullcrap from Bill Hicks.


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No, we are not. Just more hocus pocus bullcrap from Bill Hicks.





:facepalm:

Yup, that is just some random theory Bill Hicks pulled out of his ass hole.


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    #14585473 - 06/09/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm:

Well I suppose I do have faith. I have faith that if we stick to skeptical thinking and the scientific method, we'll eventually have a unified theory of everything. That over time we'll prove some theories to be correct, as millions of people spend hundreds of years trying to find flaws in those theories without success.

So tell me, since I'm just a simple pseudo-scientist, is math a big scam? Since it's dealing in absolutes and proofs, is it all garbage? Hurry up, I need to know before I register for classes...


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:facepalm:

Well I suppose I do have faith. I have faith that if we stick to skeptical thinking and the scientific method, we'll eventually have a unified theory of everything. That over time we'll prove some theories to be correct, as millions of people spend hundreds of years trying to find flaws in those theories without success.

So tell me, since I'm just a simple pseudo-scientist, is math a big scam? Since it's dealing in absolutes and proofs, is it all garbage? Hurry up, I need to know before I register for classes...





You can not prove an equation when it comes to certain things. Math has its place.

We are talking about things that we simply do not understand in life here.
Things that may or may not happen after death. No scientist can prove anything
in relation to that shit.

Most scientists will not even touch that sort of ting along with ufos and shit like
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:facepalm:

Yup, that is just some random theory Bill Hicks pulled out of his ass hole.





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    #14585528 - 06/09/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thats cool but just try and remain open minded.  Science is based on that.  Thats part of the method ;-)

Your beliefs in ghosts are seperate and I'm sad you have concluded they are not real and falsly concluded science has established that

Theres been no accepted theoretical science on ghosts yet and even when (if) there is - stay open - and even when there is still posability to changing the theory on presentation of new information - so stay open and accept that a belief is not part of science because its all theories of likelyness.

Skeptical thinking... a true skeptic
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A person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions


think about that.


I don't think many people realise what a skeptic or the scientific method is anymore. :sad:

I am a skeptic.  I like to utilise the scietific method.  A skeptical scientist who has had exceptional life experiences involving what the concensus calls the "paranormal" which I call the "misunderstood".


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The eyes don't see what the mind doesn't know.




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    #14585603 - 06/09/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, I am open minded, but I do weigh evidence when taking a position on something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I haven't concluded that science has authoritatively said that ghosts aren't real, I've simply decided that with the information I've seen/read, the evidence for ghosts being more than human imagination/hallucination is lacking at best.

So, I can't relay my position here any better. I'm open to changing my mind if new evidence emerges, but for now I don't accept ghosts as genuinely existing in objective reality and I certainly don't accept them as evidence of an afterlife.

So, considering I'm one of the few people in this thread doubting the existence of ghosts despite their widespread reporting, how is my position not one of skeptical thinking? Think about that, man.


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Like I said, I am open minded, but I do weigh evidence when taking a position on something. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I haven't concluded that science has authoritatively said that ghosts aren't real, I've simply decided that with the information I've seen/read, the evidence for ghosts being more than human imagination/hallucination is lacking at best.

So, I can't relay my position here any better. I'm open to changing my mind if new evidence emerges, but for now I don't accept ghosts as genuinely existing in objective reality and I certainly don't accept them as evidence of an afterlife.

So, considering I'm one of the few people in this thread doubting the existence of ghosts despite their widespread reporting, how is my position not one of skeptical thinking? Think about that, man.





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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585612 - 06/09/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I already did :smile:

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You require personal experience to alter your theory of likelyness :smile:  I have had those personal experiences, multiple witness, convincing as anything else in this reality - I hope you do too one day.  :smile:

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585614 - 06/09/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Its obvious everyone's made up their mind about this :lolsy:
Even if someone 'wins' the debate... a man convinced against his will is a man of the same opinion still :wink:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585651 - 06/09/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I talked about it earlier in the thread, but I'll go again.

Yes, I have. When I was five or six, I had reoccurring visions of little golden floating things that only I could see. I had names for them, even drew pictures in my journal that I read a couple months ago.

When I was a little older, maybe nine, I saw the ghosts of two men at the foot of my bed. It was right as I woke up (funny how these things tend to happen to people in altered states of consciousness).

When I was nineteen I had a shroom induced ego death where I experienced the familiar feeling of leaving my body, followed by an indescribable trip through the stars, telepathically communicating with other-worldy beings and the like. For a good year I believed that the same thing would happen when I really die. It might still, but I bet it's all over when the electrical signals in my brain stop working.

Three years ago I was stabbed and bled pretty good, had an amazing NDE with Valkyrie visuals and the like.

Two weeks ago I could've sworn that somebody shouted my name inside my 400sq ft apartment, but I was stoned out of my mind and concluded that much all these other experiences, I was hallucinating. :shrug:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585669 - 06/09/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry I missed that before.

The golden things and the mushroom trip and the name calling can all be
called "hallucinations" as it just makes sense.

But as far as you saying..

"funny how these things tend to happen to people in altered states of consciousness"

Most of my experiences happend when I was awake and alert and sober.


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    #14585693 - 06/09/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In my experiences they were certainly not hallucination.

I had a multiple witness UFO sighting of a close encounter with a landing silent running flying disc.  I had 2 other witnesses.  I could of thrown a rock at it.  It altered the grass where it landed for years that grass was yellow and dead.

I have seen an appirition in a graveyard with 7 other witnesses about 8 foot in front of us floating along.  Everyone saw it.

Me and my father experienced a poltergeist moving an object in a house and the owner declared she was aware of the poltergeist, confirming our experience after it happened.

I have had several visions of the future.  1 of which I had time to write down 100's of details before it happened and when it did I was just struck in absolute awe watching 10 minutes of these precise details rolling out in front of me.


I can't just dismiss these things.  There were as real as my PC in front of me now.  :shrug:  Other people witnessed them and they altered our physical environment.


From my experiences in life.  We are not even scratching the surface of understanding the truth of this reality.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585737 - 06/09/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've also had experiences that are more understandable.

I have had sleep paralysis and seen entities - but I think it was likely just sleep paralysis and hypnagogic imagery, simple as that.

I have noticed other people claim to see things that I cannot see and I tell them :shrug:

I had one time when I woke up about 5 times and went into my kitchen and every time was a dream then I finally actually woke up!  That was intense :lol:

I just have to speak my truth I spose.  Thats what we are all here for.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585755 - 06/09/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fair enough, but that doesn't make them any more real than my experiences, does it? If I was alert and sober and heard my name called loudly, I might check to see if my landlady was at the door, but if she wasn't I'd still figure it was a hallucination, not a ghost calling my name.

I watch the same UFO videos that you do and I keep an open, inquisitive mind, but my thoughts are usually, "Shit, I wonder what those triangle lights in the sky are?" as opposed to, "Fuck, I bet they're Greys from Zeta Reticuli and the government is covering it all up." Same thing with ghosts.

It would take nothing short of a ghost appearing to me and at least one other person in a sober state, reaching out and touching myself or some object in the room for me to reevaluate my position here. Anything else isn't enough for me. There are 100 reasons somebody would fake a ghost story, 100 ways they could make it seem real to an outside observer.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585770 - 06/09/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Fair enough, but that doesn't make them any more real than my experiences, does it? If I was alert and sober and heard my name called loudly, I might check to see if my landlady was at the door, but if she wasn't I'd still figure it was a hallucination, not a ghost calling my name.

I watch the same UFO videos that you do and I keep an open, inquisitive mind, but my thoughts are usually, "Shit, I wonder what those triangle lights in the sky are?" as opposed to, "Fuck, I bet they're Greys from Zeta Reticuli and the government is covering it all up." Same thing with ghosts.

It would take nothing short of a ghost appearing to me and at least one other person in a sober state, reaching out and touching myself or some object in the room for me to reevaluate my position here. Anything else isn't enough for me. There are 100 reasons somebody would fake a ghost story, 100 ways they could make it seem real to an outside observer.





I watch videos yes but never have I stated that I truly believe that some of
the things we see are alien. To me its logical but I also believe it could be
governemnt. Which would be just as important. Hiding that type of technology would
be so wrong. But people have been seeing this stuff way before flight had been
achieved.

Yes someone can make up stories for whatever reason they see fit. But I know
what I have experienced and I can not say that it was something natural or that
I hallucinated in any form. I cannot prove this of course so we have to agree to
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585785 - 06/09/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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In my experiences they were certainly not hallucination.

I had a multiple witness UFO sighting of a close encounter with a landing silent running flying disc.  I had 2 other witnesses.  I could of thrown a rock at it.  It altered the grass where it landed for years that grass was yellow and dead.




I envy you for that, that would give me a big inquisitive chubby. I believe in UFOs 100%, I'm not convinced they're aliens though, are you?

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Me and my father experienced a poltergeist moving an object in a house and the owner declared she was aware of the poltergeist, confirming our experience after it happened.




Care to go into more detail? Did you and your dad see it move at the same time, or separate from each other?

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I have had several visions of the future.  1 of which I had time to write down 100's of details before it happened and when it did I was just struck in absolute awe watching 10 minutes of these precise details rolling out in front of me.




That's crazy shit, I've had heightened dejavu before too, where I got at least 10 details right before they played out.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585804 - 06/09/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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"Fuck, I bet they're Greys from Zeta Reticuli and the government is covering it all up."




Thats such a negative stereotype though.  Makes me wonder what sources you use to get information on the subject.  I can suggest some credible researchers if you actually care...

Yes there are extremists in EVERY field.  Doesn't mean I disregard the subject matter.



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that would give me a big inquisitive chubby




Really?  Its been a thorn in my side ever since...  you really wanna know how it feels to have realised a reality that everyone else disregards and wants to institutionalise or shun you for because they have not experienced it.  Its not nice.  I can't even talk to people about it because I'm label, judged and shunned.

One of my GF even left me after asking me about the experience and I told her, only cuz she asked after seeing me make some posts about it online.

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see it move at the same time, or separate from each other?




Same time.

I can tell from your attitude you think I'm lying but then you would.  You have not had any of these experiences yourself so you have to rationalise it.

To be fair to you - I would probably do the same if I was in your shoes.  I don't have that priviledge though.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585914 - 06/09/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I watch videos yes but never have I stated that I truly believe that some of the things we see are alien.




My apologies, could've sworn you had in an ancient alien thread or something.

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I can suggest some credible researchers if you actually care...




I know I sound like the stereotypical skeptic who trivializes all this shit, but I have watched the better documentaries on UFOs and I find it fascinating, though inconclusive.

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Really?  Its been a thorn in my side ever since...  you really wanna know how it feels to have realised a reality that everyone else disregards and wants to institutionalise or shun you for because they have not experienced it.  Its not nice.  I can't even talk to people about it because I'm label, judged and shunned.




I'd still rather see one up close and not be able to talk about it, honestly. I know pretty fucking well what it's like to be labeled, judged and shunned; I'm an atheist preacher's kid and a salesperson.

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Same time.

I can tell from your attitude you think I'm lying but then you would.  You have not had any of these experiences yourself so you have to rationalise it.

To be fair to you - I would probably do the same if I was in your shoes.  I don't have that priviledge though.




I don't have to rationalize it, I've just heard a few hundred people embellish stories they were telling; as often from faulty memory as the desire to make a more interesting story. Maybe you and your dad did see an inanimate object move suddenly. I'd for sure be freaked out, but I wouldn't jump to poltergeist. There are tons of phenomena we don't understand, but I think the majority of ghost and alien sightings can be boiled down to hallucination and what can't be, shouldn't be assumed to be spirits/aliens/magic.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585935 - 06/09/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I watch videos yes but never have I stated that I truly believe that some of the things we see are alien.




My apologies, could've sworn you had in an ancient alien thread or something.







Yes I have made a thread or 2 on the subject because it is very plausible IMO.
There is no concrete evidence to support this but I think there is plenty enough
to atleast question the very real possibility. What I meant was I do not believe all
UFO's are alien but I think its a very real possibility that a lot of them are.
Or that they could all just be government or natural occurrences or some sort.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14586003 - 06/09/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I know I sound like the stereotypical skeptic who trivializes all this shit, but I have watched the better documentaries on UFOs and I find it fascinating, though inconclusive.




Highly suggestive though.  What could possibly have that technology?  I take it you've heard about them landing at our nuclear weapons facilities and shutting them down?

The was Rendalsham forest in the UK
The malstrom airforce base where a UFO with a beam of light shut down about 10 independant war heads with a beam of light
Some other scientist who's name I can't remember was testing a dummy nuke rocket and a UFO came in and knocked it out of flight
Theres people like Travis Walton, multiple witness abduction, missing several days, witnesses accused of his murder and lie detector tested

Had some policeman froma place near me who was taken by them and he had physical evidence.  His squad car clock and watch had gone out of sync with the station, his boot had been cut with some strange tool.  Its nuts.

In Australia there was an abduction of several people at the same time and they didn't even know each other.  Always the same beings.  The greys as they are called.

In africa there were 40 odd kids that all saw them land and communicate telepathically and these guys don't even have TV's, yet all these kids about 10 years old interviewed seperately and all drew the greys.

Hell the British gov has released their files and had there top man from the MOD on mainstream news here stating some of them are unknown and probably intelligence of unknown origins.  france has publicly come to the same conclusion with their Cometa report.

Its absolutely epic that all this goes on and is not commonly accepted as some interaction with an unknown intelligence.  We put people in jail for life based on less evidence.

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I know pretty fucking well what it's like to be labeled, judged and shunned; I'm an atheist preacher's kid and a salesperson.




Ok cool.  I sounded pretty ignorant there I see but you got my point.

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I don't have to rationalize it, I've just heard a few hundred people embellish stories they were telling; as often from faulty memory as the desire to make a more interesting story.




Fair point; I am a scientist.  I am skeptical.  Believe me I've tried to rationally explain my experiences to myself.

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Maybe you and your dad did see an inanimate object move suddenly. I'd for sure be freaked out, but I wouldn't jump to poltergeist.




We didn't jump to it.  We asked the owner of the house what she thought about it and she told us matter of factly they had a "friendly ghost" that did all sorts of things and that it did not bother her.  :shrug:  Mostly tidying up bizarrely enough.


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