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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585045 - 06/09/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Insult me because your arguement is wrong as opposed to amending your POV.  :yawn:  Is learning dead?

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You owe yourself the ability to ammend your beliefs.




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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585064 - 06/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There is personal experience.  Ghosts have been shown to be interacting with our environment, physical change.  I've personally witnessed it on several occasions.  Unfortunately its not repeatable.  I've yet figured out how to get a ghost to come down to the lab for testing and peer review with me :wink:




Personal experience is the most unreliable form of evidence there is. Eyewitness testimony has been showed time and time again to be mostly worthless, as our imperfect memories highly distort what we really experienced. We've all felt the presence of someone in an empty room, we've all hallucinated faces in the dark. What's more likely, that our brain made a mistake, as it's known to do, or that we saw the soul of somebody who died and stayed on earth?

Ghosts have never been shown to interact with our environment. They've been said to, sure; never shown (unless you consider a chair on Ghost Hunters sliding in the dark to be valid evidence, LOL). If you tell a group of people that a building (which has no history of ghost sightings) is haunted and you send them in, you'll hear stories of eerie feelings and occasionally, a few encounters.

We're highly susceptible to hallucinations and suggestibility. When I was a kid I had repeated hallucinations that I called The Golden Things. They were little fairy/angel things that would come up to my window at night and dance there while I watched. I tried to show my parents and brothers but they never saw them. It's as normal for an adult to hallucinate humanoid figures as it is for a child.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sigma_zero]
    #14585065 - 06/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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There is this theory called cosmic habituation in which all kinds of phenomena change due to being observed.  There is a radio program where the scientist credited with the theory was asked what could possibly be the cause of this in your wildest speculation.  He said "It would answer a lot of questions if there was some kind of unified consciousness".
Here is the link.
http://www.radiolab.org/blogs/radiolab-blog/2011/may/03/cosmic-habituation/




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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585078 - 06/09/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

LOL see above ^^^

and what isn't eye witness testimony ;-)


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14585082 - 06/09/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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:lol:

Seems you have forgotten where we started friend. 

You called our theories bullshit and I asked you why your theories were better and if you could prove anything.  :lol:





it has become obvious to me that you are a dumbass, that's my theory.




He is not a dumbass.

His ponderings and beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither is above another.

I have relayed what information I can, you have seen it, thus in your mind this concept will exist. If you so choose further along your own path that by any chance you ever wish to return to this information it will be available to you at any time, irregardless of what your current beliefs and perspectives are.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14585111 - 06/09/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, he just went full circle and failed to notice the point...  which was that we are all just talking about theories.

For all anyone knows we are in the matrix.  Prove anything.  Nobody can.  Philosophers have been preaching this stuff since man ever put chissel to stone.

I see the issue though.  He believes his theories.  I'm glad I believe nothing :wink: its only posabilities for me.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14585166 - 06/09/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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His ponderings and beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither is above another.




This is my biggest problem with superstition and pseudoscience. The belief that is based on enormous amounts of repeatable data, scoured over and scrutinized by thousands of the smartest people the world has to offer certainly is above the half-baked ideas of a stoned guy.

Take for example, the group of Channelers you mentioned earlier. Nobody tests those people. Nobody asks these grand entities to solve a complex math equation to prove that they really do possess some higher knowledge. If they did, they'd surely be booed and scoffed at by the believers in the room. But ask them about any topic that the channelers are familiar with and you'll get a mouthful.

In the long run, you can say that there is no harm done, that letting you have a world view based on the meanderings of con artists and whatever ideas seem the most pleasing to you doesn't affect anybody else. But, one belief is certainly more valid and it isn't the one that accepts dragons and magic as part of reality.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585191 - 06/09/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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and what isn't eye witness testimony ;-)




Data compiled by thousands of people who independently tested a hypothesis and came to the same conclusions.

One person sees a ghost - nothing noteworthy there. Five thousand people see the same ghost and it's recorded on several cameras affecting the physical world - I'll check it out.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585200 - 06/09/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I put it simply...

Everyone has theories thats all.
Nobody can prove they have the correct theories.

Science is a tool (method) and does not deal in absolutes.    (It is the best method we have created though to my knowledge)
Only faith (belief) such as religions deal in absolutes.  :wink:


It is that simple.

Only our egos blind us from accepting this.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585213 - 06/09/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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His ponderings and beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither is above another.




This is my biggest problem with superstition and pseudoscience. The belief that is based on enormous amounts of repeatable data, scoured over and scrutinized by thousands of the smartest people the world has to offer certainly is above the half-baked ideas of a stoned guy.

Take for example, the group of Channelers you mentioned earlier. Nobody tests those people. Nobody asks these grand entities to solve a complex math equation to prove that they really do possess some higher knowledge. If they did, they'd surely be booed and scoffed at by the believers in the room. But ask them about any topic that the channelers are familiar with and you'll get a mouthful.

In the long run, you can say that there is no harm done, that letting you have a world view based on the meanderings of con artists and whatever ideas seem the most pleasing to you doesn't affect anybody else. But, one belief is certainly more valid and it isn't the one that accepts dragons and magic as part of reality.




I am fairly certain I did not touch upon superstition or pseudoscience in what information I have offered. Whether these people were tested for their validity or their results, I am not certain, but what is certain is that whatever method they may have utilized to achieve their intended goal they have, and this is evidenced by their results which comprise the Law of One material. This material exists, does it not? I will also mention that they have 20 years of experience in various fields pertaining to the nature of what they do.

I would not be so quick to say that these worldviews (singularity or unification) are those of the ponderings of con artists, as these are worldviews which predate many.

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I put it simply...

Everyone has theories thats all.
Nobody can prove they have the correct theories.

Science is a tool (method) and does not deal in absolutes.    (It is the best method we have created though to my knowledge)
Only faith (belief) such as religions deal in absolutes.  :wink:


It is that simple.

Only our egos blind us from accepting this.




Very much so. People forget that science is merely an approach, and an effective one at that, but science on its own cannot provide all the answers in relation to the bigger picture. It is the conjunction of science and esoteric/spiritual practices which will indeed be the future.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585218 - 06/09/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Right, everyone has theories, none of them are perfect, but some are based on facts, data, peer review and application to the objective reality that all sane people experience, while others are based on fear, con artists, ignorance and nonsense.

One is worth more to humanity and the individual than the other. That's all I'm saying...


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585226 - 06/09/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So does a mass concensus reality make it any more real or closer to truth than one mans theory of reality?  :grin:

facts, shcmacks...

Science or faith?

Science has not declared ghosts untrue.  There is data for ghosts.  To say there isn't is not science.  Its faith.

You must remain open to the posabilty.  Else you are a believer.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: nice1]
    #14585275 - 06/09/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously not or else Mohammed would be God.

It's application to the real world and universe, the integrity of the data, the repeatability of the experiments and the education/intelligence of the people consenting do. Science isn't perfect, but it's the best, most accurate information we have about our world and it's been able to predict future events far better than any of the umpteen thousand channelers or mystics who have spouted nonsense (at a cost) over the centuries.

Sunset_mission, channeling is without any doubt pseudoscience/superstition. It's a group of people who charge money to sit there and watch them connect with a made up entity that never says anything new or contradictory to what their audience believes. I can guarantee you that they aren't tested for validity.

And in response to your edit, Nice_1, as I said earlier; One person sees a ghost - nothing noteworthy there. Five thousand people see the same ghost and it's recorded on several cameras affecting the physical world - I'll check it out.

I welcome the existence of ghosts, aliens and fire-breathing dragons, but until I see anything that suggests they are real and not simply the imagination or tired/drunk hallucinations of one person, I'll continue to not accept them as reality.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585300 - 06/09/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ghosts are as real as the man in the moon.






100% false


Sure I cant prove it. But it does not mean its bullshit.

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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585302 - 06/09/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Ghosts are as real as the man in the moon.






100% false


Sure I cant prove it. But it does not mean its bullshit.

:facepalm:



yes it does:macdre:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14585309 - 06/09/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, well I'll leave the burden of proof on you who believe in them.

I suppose it depends on how you define "real" as well. For my part, I don't accept hallucinations as reality. On a forum dedicated to hallucinating, I can see how you might differ in that regard.


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585308 - 06/09/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cool we are in agreement then.

Apart from

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there is no data for ghosts or the paranormal.




Where we started off.  :grin:

You require personal experience to alter your theory of likelyness :smile:  I have had those personal experiences, multiple witness, convincing as anything else in this reality - I hope you do too one day.  :smile:

Good luck on your journey :sun:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: stuntmanmike]
    #14585312 - 06/09/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ghosts are as real as we are. I as many many others can tell you the same.
Im not saying you have to believe me or anyone else. But dont sit there and call it
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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585314 - 06/09/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm:

I thought we understood each other until that ^^^

Ok back to you proving they are hallcuniations? 

You can't.  We already agreed nothing is provable and science doesn't deal in absolutes. 

Why the faith?  You are using pseudo science yourself because claiming all ghost are hallucination in the name of science when it is faith :facepalm:


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Re: Are we all just one consciousness......? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14585315 - 06/09/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Haha, well I'll leave the burden of proof on you who believe in them.

I suppose it depends on how you define "real" as well. For my part, I don't accept hallucinations as reality. On a forum dedicated to hallucinating, I can see how you might differ in that regard.





I dont need proof. And it is of no burden to me. And the whole "hallucination"
thing is asinine.


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