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Looking forward to death
    #14584105 - 06/09/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is probably gonna sound insane but then I've always been crazy so I'm cool with that.

Life is a manic depressives journey.  Its great one minute and horrible the next.  Its cool though I'm up for enjoying the ride.

The thing is I'm quite looking forward to death.  As in its the ultimate adventure.  I hope its blissful or peaceful or nothingness or traveling astral dimensions as a ghost.

I sometimes think maybe it will be horrible but I'm gonna stay positive in my morbid fantasy.

I don't really hold any beliefs but I think the odds are most likely that we do have a soul or at least there is something else.  Maybe the brain is simply the reciever of consciousness not the creator :wink:

I don't have those answers nor do I care much to discuss them because the majority of people just revel in ego and state "you just get eaten by worms".  Thats such a boring :yawn: perspective and probably untrue. 

My grandad came back as a spirit - visited my mother and his my grandmother and told them of some future events that came true.  So I think its likely there is something after.  Its gonna be the greatest adventure we have.  lol.

I'm not looking forward to the pain of being old though.  I think I'd rather use enough morphine to put me out of my misery when its time to go.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584114 - 06/09/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Haven't you ever wondered if maybe after you died, all you see is darkness and nothing more? O_o that's scary..


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: Best In The World]
    #14584140 - 06/09/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you are seeing then I'd expect you can still create because there is someone (thing) viewing. 

Hmmm, that would suck and be well boring.  :lol:


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584171 - 06/09/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's just nothingness..which, since it can't be experienced, would be kinda awesome. You wouldn't even know you were gone :shrug:

If there is an after life I really hope that the Christians are wrong cause I don't wanna go to hell :mad2:


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: Anthony917]
    #14584210 - 06/09/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If it is absolute nothing then thats good because its ultimate bliss because you are nothing anymore.  No pain or pleasure and you know no different.  Its probably my preference of choice but I'm not sure... depends if theres something better on offer... like joining God.

Christians have to be wrong IMO.  So many religions and cults that I cannot pick one and say yes that is absolute truth.  All writtten by man FFS :lol:

Tibetan book of the dead was probably the closest IMO.  They believe you have to learn to free your mind now so you don't become trapped as a ghost when dead.

You ever heard how priest exorcise ghosts?  They have to tell them that they are dead cuz ghosts most don't realise or want to believe.  Which is why they just hang around their houses pissed off banging draws and stuff.  You have to make them realise they are free to travel in the astral realm. 

Theres this whole white light phenomena as well thats been a reoccuring theme in people who have near death experiences...  I actually experienced it myself in an ego death experience on mushrooms.  Was one of the most profound moments of my life.

  I realise I sound like a lunatic :lol: but this kind of way out stuff is interesting to me.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584250 - 06/09/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I died but was resuscitated. It's peaceful in retrospect, but you don't realize that you're dead. You know nothing, you are nothing. It's like the universe never existed. Then I came back and puked my brains out. :puke:


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584278 - 06/09/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If you are seeing then I'd expect you can still create because there is someone (thing) viewing. 

Hmmm, that would suck and be well boring.  :lol:




No it wont be boring, there will be no consciousness to view it as boring.

I don't see how the "eaten by worms" view of death is egoistic. People who hold that view know that their ego will be destroyed forever.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: limestoneman]
    #14584282 - 06/09/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thats comforting to me.  I hope its more peaceful than this crazy world :grin:

What happened?  How did you die?  Did you experience anything while you were dying?


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: limestoneman] * 1
    #14584285 - 06/09/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I don't claim to know what happens when you die.
However I don't believe that there is nothing.
The main reason for this is that something HAD to exist in the beginning.

I don't think Christianity or any religion is right for that matter.
But I bet they all have truths.

I guess I won't know till I die :P


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14584287 - 06/09/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see how the "eaten by worms" view of death is egoistic. People who hold that view know that their ego will be destroyed forever.




Because we don't know ;-)  The ego is there to make you think you do know.  Its what clings us to this reality.  IMO  Its like a comforter or security box for the mind.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: limestoneman]
    #14584290 - 06/09/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Im excited as well.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: limestoneman]
    #14584292 - 06/09/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It's peaceful in retrospect, but you don't realize that you're dead. You know nothing, you are nothing. It's like the universe never existed.




Sounds about right to me.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584307 - 06/09/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see how the "eaten by worms" view of death is egoistic. People who hold that view know that their ego will be destroyed forever.




Because we don't know ;-)  The ego is there to make you think you do know.  Its what clings us to this reality.  IMO




We don't know, right, but I go on the evidence, if that's egoistic then forgive me. There's no real evidence for life after death other than subjective and personal experiences.

I've never had one of these experiences and so personally, I don't believe in life after death.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: limestoneman]
    #14584387 - 06/09/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good Nice, I cant wait to be dead :sniper:  :minigun:  :machinegun:  :laser:  :cruelworld:  :microwave:  :header:  :heresjohnny:  :trollslayer:  :grenade:

Thinking of infinite nonexistence is mindblowing, like those states of non-rem sleep where you dont exist and you just wake up afterwards; except forever. There is no waking up

Maybe perpetual nonexistence is a paradox such that it cant not exist forever, therefore that dieing moment of awesome is eternal. Its like dividing by zero, or the other way around; even eternal division will never reach zero so those last moments will just slow down to such an extent that it will keep accelerating the time dilation eternally; yet that moment will be guaranteed to be one of ultimate bliss as the mind will be in a death experience and the mind will be functioning on an ineffable level

What if you dream forever, perhaps your dream self is the real you:sleep:. Eventually you will reach a state of enlightenment and lucid dream from then on. I would love something like that

Its possible we will join with that ultimate consciousness, I think of consciousness as all parts of the same whole. Like a hard drive partitioned into many different sections all completely separate from one another yet part of the same whole; perhaps we too are all part of this one mind. There are so many dichotomies in life: black and white, good and evil, yin and yang, night and day; death could be the ultimate unification of all things

Hell is such a horrible idea, I wouldn't wish such a fate on the evilest being alive. We are all victims of this subjective existence, so if a god exists and tortures us that bastard would have the people on his conscience

What if, in that nothingness of nonexistence, only the mind exists. The mind would no longer be tied down by the bounds of this world and body, therefore it could think freely creating its own world

Whatever it is, it will be the answer; the ultimate truth

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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584446 - 06/09/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Thats comforting to me.  I hope its more peaceful than this crazy world :grin:

What happened?  How did you die?  Did you experience anything while you were dying?



I was rinsing out my needle after a good fat shot of some new dope that I recklessly didn't test. Last thing I remember is putting the cap back on the needle and then waking up at the hospital and puking all over. I didn't even feel it hit me.
After that I saw suicide as incredibly selfish. The dead live in void. Void of pain and suffering while the living struggle to survive to be with each other.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: limestoneman]
    #14584473 - 06/09/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

on a lighter note...

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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14584503 - 06/09/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see how the "eaten by worms" view of death is egoistic. People who hold that view know that their ego will be destroyed forever.




Because we don't know ;-)  The ego is there to make you think you do know.  Its what clings us to this reality.  IMO




We don't know, right, but I go on the evidence, if that's egoistic then forgive me. There's no real evidence for life after death other than subjective and personal experiences.

I've never had one of these experiences and so personally, I don't believe in life after death.




If you go on the evidence then you have to accept that theres no conclusive proof either way.  Meaning you remain open to either possibility.

As it happens several prominent doctors have opened scienctific studies on the NDE experience because theres so much data coming out of hospitals pointing that death is not the end.  :shrug:

You are mistaken if you think its scientific to believe theres no life after death.  Science does not know and there is data pointing both ways thus it remains open.  Anything is possible.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: nice1]
    #14584515 - 06/09/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the only problem I have with near death experiences are that, they are NEAR death. While this person may have technically been "dead", I am unconvinced that their brains ceased to function.

I think during the process of death, the brain goes through incredible and dramatic changes, probably secreting all sorts of chemicals which most likely play into these NDE's. I, of course, have absolutely no idea, but I don't think that NDE's count as proof of life after death.

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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: Wise Toad]
    #14584525 - 06/09/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nice post.  I have to agree with philosophising :thumbup: Interesting stuff.

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Its possible we will join with that ultimate consciousness, I think of consciousness as all parts of the same whole.




I've been wondering about this a lot as well.  We are all the same soul and the brain is the receiver and seperator.  Although my knowledge and experiences of ghosts suggests different.  I remain open.  It could even be both.  Another paradox like you stated.

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Whatever it is, it will be the answer; the ultimate truth





I'd like that to be true.  I'm not sure it will though.  I hope so.


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Re: Looking forward to death [Re: Anthony917]
    #14584540 - 06/09/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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the only problem I have with near death experiences are that, they are NEAR death. While this person may have technically been "dead", I am unconvinced that their brains ceased to function.

I think during the process of death, the brain goes through incredible and dramatic changes, probably secreting all sorts of chemicals which most likely play into these NDE's. I, of course, have absolutely no idea, but I don't think that NDE's count as proof of life after death.

:shrug:




Yes but the studies have been done on people that are clinically dead.  No brain function.  Gone.  Sometimes for a long time!!!

Type NDE documentary into youtube if you are interested ;-)  Its unbiased.

the scientific POV is that they cannot establish at what time the people are having the experiences themselves, however, people have reported data on things that have happened while they were brain dead that seems impossible they would randomly make up.  Visiting the relatives in spirit form and then reporting exactly where, they were, what they did and said etc etc  Thats one hell of an amazing coincidence in some cases.  Which is why the research labs have been set up - not just here in the UK but world wide.  Its been being noticed by top medical professionals world over.


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