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Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora
    #14583135 - 06/09/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am starting this thread to encourage a brainstorming session toward directing the search for undiscovered psychoactive properties in known plant species, which comprise roughly 4/5 of all species worldwide (about 1/5 of plant species are thought to remain undiscovered).

Perhaps we could...

1. Consider members of a genus
    a. already known to contain psychoactive plants.
    b. native to difficult-to-reach areas/ rough terrain.

2. Try to find common, observable traits shared by known psychoactive species, that make them distinct from inactive relatives.

3. Gather relevant data from both existing literature and field work.

Looking forward to any ideas.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14583143 - 06/09/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Lots of them are green


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14585276 - 06/09/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Lots of them are green



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2. Try to find common, observable traits shared by known psychoactive species, that make them distinct from inactive relatives.





Umm...


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14585279 - 06/09/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You can't tell if a plant is magic by looking at it. You need a GC/MS.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: Doc_T]
    #14585285 - 06/09/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

For sure. That's why this is just an idea pool!

Are you saying that this is simply too speculative to be valuable?


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14585927 - 06/09/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

TLC is the poor mans GC


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14587499 - 06/09/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Around these parts in a particular village, the villagers know of a plant, wich they say its peyote, and turns you insane if you eat it...

tough it is not peyote, its roots kinda look like peyote roots, because its a tubercle, a friend of mine in the village gave me 3 of these tubercles that I already put to root in some pots with soil

will post pics when it sprouts


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: AIRDOG]
    #14587621 - 06/09/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm rather familiar with the "false peyotes" stories, and most people say they're the aztekiums or the ariocarpus.

They've been analyzed with GCMS, and bioassays, of some very old plants and they turned out to be dead-ends.  All the people who have eaten them have to say is that they were very sad at having wasted such old specimens.

L. Diffusia is the only false peyote that has been identified as active.

(not trying to be a naysayer,  mostly just trying to save you the heart ache of eating such old and endangered plants)


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14588036 - 06/09/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Are you saying that this is simply too speculative to be valuable?




Yes. At least the way it's structured.
Consider that the question has been asked and answered; you should be mining data from research libraries.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #14588422 - 06/09/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm rather familiar with the "false peyotes" stories, and most people say they're the aztekiums or the ariocarpus.

They've been analyzed with GCMS, and bioassays, of some very old plants and they turned out to be dead-ends.  All the people who have eaten them have to say is that they were very sad at having wasted such old specimens.

L. Diffusia is the only false peyote that has been identified as active.

(not trying to be a naysayer,  mostly just trying to save you the heart ache of eating such old and endangered plants)




this thing im talking about its not a cactus at all... it has big purple leaves, at the top of a purple stalk, will post a pic when they sprout, they are supposed to be active, gave some to a friend in a party and he said they were nice, but he was also on other stuff so??


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: Doc_T]
    #14588604 - 06/10/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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WordlessNature said:
Are you saying that this is simply too speculative to be valuable?




Yes. At least the way it's structured.
Consider that the question has been asked and answered; you should be mining data from research libraries.




You may very well be right.
I'll try to think of a better design.

Perhaps we might only suggest species or genera for which existing entries cannot be easily found.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: WordlessNature]
    #14588657 - 06/10/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@ airdog:

Could the plant be khat? I believe those have purple stalks, at least from what I've seen on the picture tube they looked like they did.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: AIRDOG]
    #14588916 - 06/10/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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this thing im talking about its not a cactus at all... it has big purple leaves, at the top of a purple stalk, will post a pic when they sprout, they are supposed to be active, gave some to a friend in a party and he said they were nice, but he was also on other stuff so??



Irie,
Kinda sounds like Datura Metel(?)!! Be careful if it is!:crazy2:

As for other candidate that need more research;
Phyllanthus urinaria....Info I have;
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It is cautioned that only Phyllanthus amarus, gwen anbafey blan, is used and not Phyllanthus urinaria, gwen anbafey wouj, which one herbalist claims is smoked as an hallucinogen.  These plants are very similar, both having the seed under the leaf along the stem.



I have plenty of this growing in mi yard!
We also use the gwen anbafey blan, the white one, in medicinal teas for the kids....
I just haven't had time to look in to the "Red" ones...
I got way too many other things growing in the yard!!!:rastamon:
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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: Zaka]
    #14589109 - 06/10/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

it is not a datura species either.... posting a pic of the tubercle today


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: AIRDOG]
    #14589853 - 06/10/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

many plants are called "peyote".  the plant you have may very well be peyote, it just isnt Lophophora williamsii.

Common names lead to a LOT of confusion.  As do latin names, but far less often.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: kadakuda]
    #14590626 - 06/10/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

@Zaka

I'd be willing to examine the unburned particles of those for ya :laugh:

I'd report back here and a trip report if it indeed does induce any altered state.


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: fngbronco]
    #14602212 - 06/12/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this is the small tubercle... I have it rooting in a pot, post pics when it sprouts


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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: AIRDOG]
    #14602384 - 06/12/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That plastic bag from fishing lures? Looks like a platic worm bag :smile: looking forward to seeing the plant!


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Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not.    -fngbronco

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Re: Likely candidates for novel psychoactive flora [Re: fngbronco]
    #14602862 - 06/12/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Irie,
Possibly Caladium bicolor ???
Obviously a tuber???
Came across this whilst searching my data base of Araceae species;
Typhonium trilobatum (Rhizome used as a herbal medicine in India)
Hmmm???? Found this searching wiki;
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All parts of the plant are poisonous. They should not be ingested and may irritate sensitive skin.



Respect,
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