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#14583133 - 06/09/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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absolutely amazing video. Seriously man it is very brave of these people to speak out against what they were doing in Iraq. touches home coming from the people who were there
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
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Excellent video man. Made me tear up.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14583187 - 06/09/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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me too man. I fought the tear at first then i let it slip down my face. Ron Paul has cured my apathy. His followers are going to give those corporate mother fucks a god damned run for their money this election time. It coincides with so many big thigns. Might this be the change of consciousness predicted for 2012?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
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after seeing that I had to watch old yeller and bash my big toe with a hammer to feel better. Clean your guns,gather like minded people,we are the ones to put a stop to white house bull
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I love how posts like this are basically fucking ignored around here 
Everything in that fucking video is true. What do you say to that shroomery?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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i support this movement as a former soldier myself. we did some fucked up things over there. this video doesnt tell the half of it either
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#14584886 - 06/09/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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WHAT? You mean we aren't killing bad guys and bringing democracy to the middle east? 
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DeadHearts said: I love how posts like this are basically fucking ignored around here 
What do you propose we do about it? I'm all ears. Wanna form a political activism group, or do you want to get our guns and form a mob? I mean really, if we mob, we'll get shut down by riot police. If we vote in Ron Paul, he'll get shutdown by Congress. How do you propose we end this out of control military industrial complex with it's 445 billion/year budget and ties to every branch of our government?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj] 3
#14585059 - 06/09/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Videos like these should be broadcast on every channel so everyone can see them.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
#14585121 - 06/09/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"The real terrorism is this occupation." There is no occupation. We are there at the invitation of the duly elected government of Iraq, the only duly elected government not named Israel in the entire region. Enabling fifth columnist nitwits encourage the murderous insurgents to continue killing regular people in order to further their own lust for power.
You can make a case that the war was bad for America. Only a fucking idiot would argue that it was bad for Iraq.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
#14585149 - 06/09/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, the war has been so great for the Iraqi people
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum] 1
#14585183 - 06/09/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Yeah, the war has been so great for the Iraqi people
It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
#14585208 - 06/09/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what's this they were saying about every apartment biulding being blown up in baghdad?
seems I'll have a very difficult time believing anything they say if they lie to me once, google maps has 2yo images of baghdad and it's largely untouched
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=&=&q=baghdad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl




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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
#14585229 - 06/09/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
they dont control shit, all this war has done is brought more instability in the region. Like every other "liberation" the US has spearheaded.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: danielx] 1
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danielx said:
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zappaisgod said: It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
they dont control shit, all this war has done is brought more instability in the region. Like every other "liberation" the US has spearheaded.
Complete bullshit. They actually have elections for candidates not chosen by a mullacracy. You probably don't think Americans control their own country. Some other unstable countries liberated by America:
Japan Germany, France, Poland, South Korea, et fucking cetera.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#14585253 - 06/09/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: "The real terrorism is this occupation." There is no occupation. We are there at the invitation of the duly elected government of Iraq, the only duly elected government not named Israel in the entire region. Enabling fifth columnist nitwits encourage the murderous insurgents to continue killing regular people in order to further their own lust for power.
You can make a case that the war was bad for America. Only a fucking idiot would argue that it was bad for Iraq.
Ya, how great it is that their country is left in shambles. How great it is that an Iraqi can't leave his home without fear of imminent death. How great it is that because of this almost certainty of imminent death, the people are basically caged into their homes and fearful of walking the streets. Oh wow Hussein is dead. It doesn't change the fact that life was actually better with him in power than it is now. Those things I listed above were not a part of daily life when he was in power and America hadn't invaded. You have to be one of the dumbest people on the planet to think Iraq is sunshine and lolipops now that he is dead lol Fucking dolt
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
Hussein's reign over Iraq is no more justified than our invasion and subsequent occupation. But hey I guess the over 1 million civilian casualties agree with your assessment.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Racinette]
#14585304 - 06/09/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Racinette said: Ya, how great it is that their country is left in shambles.
load of shit
here's baghdad
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=&=&q=baghdad&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
here's Fallujah
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=&=&q=Fallujah%2C%20%20Iraq&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
what percentage is now uninhabitable because of US bombing
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#14585328 - 06/09/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whats important here is not the condition of the buildings in the country
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
#14585329 - 06/09/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
Hussein's reign over Iraq is no more justified than our invasion and subsequent occupation. But hey I guess the over 1 million civilian casualties agree with your assessment.
more bullshit... iraq bodycount presents a very liberal view of the collateral casualties and they have blamed all violent deaths in iraq since 2003 on the US, that includes auto accidents, insurgent attacks, honor killings and any other violent death regardless of it's cause on the US and their count is 101k-110k, some retarded doctards organization gave an estimate of 1 million... care to show us how that number was reached?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I took this class called the Historical Diplomatic Study of the War in Iraq... and WOW, after reading a series of books...: Cobra 2, Plan of Attack, the Assassins gate and doing research on the movies the Tillman story and Gunner Palace, I have to say WOW... Way to Go America, way to go Soldiers.... I actually go to school with some transfer students from the military college of Georgia, and they are enlisted and all, most have had personal stories from Iraq, or knew someone who had. The professor of the Iraq class gave a very detailed history of the Iraq war, it's key players, and wars before it. Before judging, trying reading the Thunder Run chapter or Black Hawk Down Iraq.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
#14585356 - 06/09/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Only a fucking idiot would argue that it was bad for Iraq.
Um, if you were living in Baghdad around 2003 when America toppled the Imperial Palace, you could have scored over a billion dollars in loot, because the American soldiers were given orders to not stop looters, even from ancient historical museums.. One liquor store lost over $80,000 in old cask liquors.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
#14585359 - 06/09/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
Hussein's reign over Iraq is no more justified than our invasion and subsequent occupation. But hey I guess the over 1 million civilian casualties agree with your assessment.
Other shit:
"1 million civilian casualties" my ass. "Put that fact back in the ass you pulled it out of." I believe that was Teragon. And who is responsible for most of the civilian casualties? Baathists and insurgents who can't stand that they didn't win the elections, little wannabe dictators. Why do you supposedly peace loving children suck the teats of tyrants? They would chop your fair head off in a heartbeat.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
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zappaisgod said: Only a fucking idiot would argue that it was bad for Iraq.
Um, if you were living in Baghdad around 2003 when America toppled the Imperial Palace, you could have scored over a billion dollars in loot, because the American soldiers were given orders to not stop looters, even from ancient historical museums.. One liquor store lost over $80,000 in old cask liquors.
Who gives a shit? You know where liquor and antiquities lie on a list of wartime priorities? Nowhere.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
#14585374 - 06/09/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not saying that the Jessica Lynch rescue was overrated, but it was entirely orchestrated for the American media and the mass population. We've seen a Surprising acceptance in a War, in America, as compared to Vietnam.. Which lives are worth the most?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
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Two_Swarm said:
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zappaisgod said: Only a fucking idiot would argue that it was bad for Iraq.
Um, if you were living in Baghdad around 2003 when America toppled the Imperial Palace, you could have scored over a billion dollars in loot, because the American soldiers were given orders to not stop looters, even from ancient historical museums.. One liquor store lost over $80,000 in old cask liquors.
Who gives a shit? You know where liquor and antiquities lie on a list of wartime priorities? Nowhere.
You have no idea what your talking about. "Only a fucking idiot would argue it was bad for Iraq"
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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bullshit this...bullshit that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
May be exaggerated somewhat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties
This is the "retarded doctard" survey you referred to, coming from one of the oldest scientific journals in the world...and one of only two that was peer reviewed....
The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006. The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006.[4] More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% (186,318) of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% (144,246) to others, and 46% (276,472) unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56% or 336,575), car bomb (13% or 78,133), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13% or 78,133), accident (2% or 12,020), and unknown (2%).
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585387 - 06/09/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Whats important here is not the condition of the buildings in the country 
but the conditions of the building denote the condition of the country especially when some twat from IVAW id claiming that all the apartment buildings in baghdad have been bombed, that would mean that they're uninhabitable and that would in fact reflect the condition of the city and as a whole, the country given that those two cities have seen the bulk of the fighting
would this not reflect the condition of Sarajevo while it was under seige?





I wonder why IVAW only has 1200 members world wide with more than 400,000 people serving there from all over the world? $$$
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.
You do not have to prove to me what condition the buildings are in because its not important. Sure it would be more obvious that the country is probably not doing too well
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That guy in the last picture wearing a robe was like ' GEE I"M GLAD I converted to Buddhism, those Muslims just got pwned."
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585415 - 06/09/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries. /
SImple math, more people dead means less mouths to feed, less disease and pestilence, and less spread of anarchy and dictatorship. I'm not saying the kid who was burned alive as his mother watch his skin melt off was justified... it's a sickly thing, this war. Wait, we're still at war? WTF? 10 years later?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
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Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries. /
SImple math, more people dead means less mouths to feed, less disease and pestilence, and less spread of anarchy and dictatorship. I'm not saying the kid who was burned alive as his mother watch his skin melt off was justified... it's a sickly thing, this war. Wait, we're still at war? WTF? 10 years later?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
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unam sanctum said: bullshit this...bullshit that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
May be exaggerated somewhat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties
This is the "retarded doctard" survey you referred to, coming from one of the oldest scientific journals in the world...and one of only two that was peer reviewed....
peer review doesnt detect fraud and an opinion survey from Opinion Research Business, certainly doesnt give an accurate count of collateral casualties especially when you look at the nice figure that lancet gives of 46% as unknown cause of death. violence', which could have been any number of sources are 600,000 of the deaths then add in car bombs being 13%, 14% was other explosive ordinance, you know, IEDs apparently meant for americans, and just how many of the claimed 186,000 coalition caused deaths were actually insurgents and not collateral casualties
so once more... what a huge load of bullshit
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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WHat I meant to say is " AMERICA" is still at war, 10 years later? Just because I live in America doen't mean I don't want terrorists sneaking up and ninja-ing me.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
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Two_Swarm said: That guy in the last picture wearing a robe was like ' GEE I"M GLAD I converted to Buddhism, those Muslims just got pwned."
that guy in the picture is a muslim, the wars in central europe was all about exterminating the muslim population, the US/UN stepped in the stop it
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I do not blame the people for wanting to kill us. How many horrific stories do we have to hear about our own soldiers raping and killing people over there.
If that shit was happening here your asses would be fighting "democracy" as well.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Funny you mention it, in my International Organization class I am Exposed to all sorts of issues involving International Government ORganizations. I'm not gonna spew conspiracy theory shet. And you don't know he foloows the Islam faith, because that guy was actually at temple night in the new Sactuary of Kongzi and Mozi, in the city opening, last Friday.
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What about the money? Pris and zappa i'd like to hear what you think about the money situation considering how poorly our economy is doing right now. Our defense budget is huge and seems to flow into these black hole military contractors. Seems like a roundabout way to funnel tax payer money into certain organizations pockets.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Nova]
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Nova said: What about the money? Pris and zappa i'd like to hear what you think about the money situation considering how poorly our economy is doing right now. Our defense budget is huge and seems to flow into these black hole military contractors. Seems like a roundabout way to funnel tax payer money into certain organizations pockets.
I forgot to mention The THree Trillion Dollar war, another book about Iraq and the cost of the war.
Three Trillion is just a drop in the Cucket of AMerican Debt.
What do you think an American life is worth. What about the life of the lowliest terrorist?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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Ok explain why a scientific peer review journal commits fraud knowingly? Also I never said coalition forces were the sole or even major contributor to these deaths although as wikileaks showed we did do our share of killing, with a lot more likely left out.
I see you talking a lot about cause and effect though. Without the US invading Iraq in the first place the number of violent deaths in general would have diminished greatly. What justifies this suffering to you? More than the deaths even take into account the psychological harm caused to the people our soldiers humiliate on a daily basis? And the perpetual state of hatred the violence causes both sides.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.


afghani people even opened brothels for US troops and allowed them the best of the best
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what the hell is ur problem pris????? war is not cool or good. why are u trying to argue with us ?????? get a life dude!!!
i know u were in the military in the past, but this doesn't make u a spokesperson for them.
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Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.


afghani people even opened brothels for US troops and allowed them the best of the best

Aw thats cute.
I could post some phots that suggest otherwise 
Oh well war is war.
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Great vid realfuzz!!! 
end the wars and occupations!
just because a war/military/police loving moderator thinks war and killings is alright, does not make it so.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
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unam sanctum said: Ok explain why a scientific peer review journal commits fraud knowingly? Also I never said coalition forces were the sole or even major contributor to these deaths although as wikileaks showed we did do our share of killing, with a lot more likely left out.
because the study's data collection methods remain a closely guarded secret, can we guess which study wasnt peer reviewed, peer review is crap in many instances because it simply allows for the reviewers to gauge plausibility, it doesnt demand duplication of anything proving that these studies are accurate
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/7/0/data_bomb/
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Without the US invading Iraq in the first place the number of violent deaths in general would have diminished greatly. What justifies this suffering to you?
it's a UN invasion, not a US invasion... coalition forces and all, why's the US always the ones catching the blame when the UN forces are the ones that are there
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PostiveOutlook said: what the hell is ur problem pris?????
Yeah, pris. quit being a pris, geez. I mean dang those goats were used for milk only! Like, what the hell, dude.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Prove to me and the rest of us that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan helped the people of thos two countries.


afghani people even opened brothels for US troops and allowed them the best of the best

Aw thats cute.
I could post some phots that suggest otherwise 
Oh well war is war.
his "proof" is laughable




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PostiveOutlook said: what the hell is ur problem pris????? war is not cool or good. why are u trying to argue with us ?????? get a life dude!!!
where have I said war is good, sometimes going to war is a necessary evil, a great example is bosnia, kosovo and sarajevo. all I've been doing is calling bullshit on bullshit
the first thing peopple should do is get their fact straight, isnt that the foundation of this site, to dispel misinformation?
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Dude thats just war. people die. all of them were terrorists or haters of our freedom
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unam sanctum said: Ok explain why a scientific peer review journal commits fraud knowingly? Also I never said coalition forces were the sole or even major contributor to these deaths although as wikileaks showed we did do our share of killing, with a lot more likely left out.
because the study's data collection methods remain a closely guarded secret, can we guess which study wasnt peer reviewed, peer review is crap in many instances because it simply allows for the reviewers to gauge plausibility, it doesnt demand duplication of anything proving that these studies are accurate
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/7/0/data_bomb/
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Without the US invading Iraq in the first place the number of violent deaths in general would have diminished greatly. What justifies this suffering to you?
it's a UN invasion, not a US invasion... coalition forces and all, why's the US always the ones catching the blame when the UN forces are the ones that are there
First off you answer none of my questions..surprise. Secondly that link is a load of bullshit, when I try to read the full article it fails. Thirdly UN, US whatever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War
On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]
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you guys just dont understand the humor...
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That image of the dozen dead bodies may seem extreme, but most people desensitize themselves to such things early on.. in fact violent video games were invented by the governments of the coalition forces to control the populations riot reaction to mass violence. So when it does happen, those people are REALLY shocked, when they get a limb blown off or like see a guy blown in half, still alive.
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You're the one who started posting pictures in an argument you should have foreseen people taking that shit seriously
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unam sanctum said: Yeah, the war has been so great for the Iraqi people
It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
hey zappa its feeding time, big ol government just put out its teet with your name on it. What would you like today, vanilla or chocolate processed, dried and cut up reality?
How come saddam wasnt a tyrant when he invaded Iran? how come when he was torturing his own people before the kuwait war we didnt hear about it or do anything? How come we gave this dictator millions in aid, only to go against him when British oil fields are in jeapordy.?
Why did we leave this dictator in power after the first gulf waR? sounds to me like we were leaving us some work for the future. Youre full of shit dude, the Iraqi people have not benefited at all.
Do some research about american supported dictators. Do not buy into this fucking "were installing democracy" bullshit. Countless times we have gone against other countries democrratic processes only to install dictators that are tolerant toward US private interest.
Saudi Arabia, bam, terrible dictators, horrible regime, but we give them hella tons of aid. And the mainstream media who;s jerkin off the defense sector never says one god damn thing about how tyrannical Saudi's are. How come the mainstream media didnt tell us about the gruesomness of the Sha of Iran? Yeah the Sha, the same ones who our CIa put in power after the democratically elected ruler decided he wanted to nationalize british oil fields to help support the countries economic interest?
What about the Contra in south america? Huh? What about Papa and Baby Doc of haiti that we supported?
We support dictators all over the place, dont dance around this fucking charade of bullshit that we are actually trying to help the iraqi people
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unam sanctum said: First off you answer none of my questions..surprise. Secondly that link is a load of bullshit, when I try to read the full article it fails.
to the contrary, I did in fact answer your question, the data collection process is a secret, secrets data collection in peer review? doesnt that go against the whole peer review process, just because you refuse to acknowledge or refuse to read refutation of this crap doesnt mean it's inaccurate
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On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]
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Their status as Coalition Provisional Authority, or "Occupying Powers" under a United Nations resolution changed when the new government came to power on June 28, 2004, although they were still heavily influenced by the massive U.S. military and diplomatic presence in the country.[3]
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and pris you know Damn well we led and tricked the public into supporting Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction? Comeone you know they were merely tickling our balls with that one, they knew that wasnt true. And look, 10 fucking years later.
HOow the fuck would you feel if your homeland, the land of your ancestors was being occupied by some douchbags who speak a different language, see you as sub human and terrorize your population?" How would you feel if civilians doors were being kicked in and inspected at any time of the night with no warrant, because theyre looking for some brown guy with a turban?? How fucking disrespected I would feel to have our national sovereignty thrown out the window because some douchbag war mongels need a way to funnel taxpayer money into defense contractors pockets..
Its fucked up beyond belief. How the fuck did we let ourselves get into another vietnam. We are no safer now then we were 10 years ago. We are 10x as broke and we have spent this last decade feverousely recruiting for al Queida. (by killing civilians, yes civilians with moms and dads, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, we are in fact recruiting more terrorist)
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Obama 2007
Its all business.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
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You're the one who started posting pictures in an argument you should have foreseen people taking that shit seriously
whodathunk they'd believe the goats were afghani women, lol... afghanistan isnt alabama
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I would not go as far as to call this another vietnam. There was really no point in fighting that war after Diem got killed. Ironically enough Diem's death changed it from a paper war to a military conflict.
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realfuzzhead said: and pris you know Damn well we led and tricked the public into supporting Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction?
meh.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/
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HOow the fuck would you feel if your homeland, the land of your ancestors was being occupied by some douchbags who speak a different language
I guess you're unaware, my ancestors homeland is occupied by some douchebag who speak a different language, they made us adopt and adapt to their language and customs, they disarmed us, slaughtered us and herded us into pens like cattle and left us to die, then they placed a government bureaucracy over us and told us we were a sovereign people
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How would you feel if civilians doors were being kicked in and inspected at any time of the night with no warrant, because theyre looking for some brown guy with a turban??
would would you feel to get $50kUS for having to deal with your door being kicked in because a squad was following a tip that turned out to be wrong, how would you like that check written within a few weeks as opposed to having to fight in a court system for years for that cash
do you have a real clue about how things are handled over there?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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unam sanctum said: First off you answer none of my questions..surprise. Secondly that link is a load of bullshit, when I try to read the full article it fails.
to the contrary, I did in fact answer your question, the data collection process is a secret, secrets data collection in peer review? doesnt that go against the whole peer review process, just because you refuse to acknowledge or refuse to read refutation of this crap doesnt mean it's inaccurate
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On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."[1]
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Their status as Coalition Provisional Authority, or "Occupying Powers" under a United Nations resolution changed when the new government came to power on June 28, 2004, although they were still heavily influenced by the massive U.S. military and diplomatic presence in the country.[3]
Most of the criticism deals with selection of locations, number of clusters, and accuracy of war time stats, not with the methodology Calls used.
How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened? That's some fucked logic there Pris.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine]
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idk man. 10 years in a different country, in which we were tricked into going into (pentagon papers), we spent an insane amount of money. IMO Bush is just as shady as nixon. The dissent voice against the war gets absolutely no media attention. We accomplish absolutely nothing but taking our money, bbuilding bombs with it and blowing them up in a desert. We have killed countless civilians, earned the stigma as terrorist of the 21st century.
And when we pull out of Iraq, within 10 years we will become great trading partners with them and our relations will be much tighter than any amount of war could of brought us
just like vietnam
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm just saying, you can pull whatever facts you want out of your ass, but you're still taking a side, which includes bias, and to be biased is to be partially or fully one sided, and if you're not two sided, you can't even see the third dimension. If you are fully 3d in your view on the globalized war, the fourth dimension envelopes the idealism of a grandeur plan, one that could only have been conceptualized by a being of higher existence than us mere humans could comprehend.
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unam sanctum said: How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened? That's some fucked logic there Pris.
it wasnt illegal, if it was please explain
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realfuzzhead said: just like vietnam
We weren't tricked into going into vietnam, we entered to secure a good friendship with Diem because he was a christian anti communist leader in southeast asia, which was a rare as fuck opportunity to help contain communism as part of Kennan's containment policy yadda yadda yadda, it just got massively out of hand when the CIA authorized a coup in Cable 243 and Diem was "accidentally" murdered by some fanatic officers, but we really knew exactly what we were getting into, it was just very hush hush to begin with.
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unam sanctum said: How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened? That's some fucked logic there Pris.
it wasnt illegal, if it was please explain
First off, Legality and Illegality are subjected to an entire batch of international treaties and complexes. It's not like massive world leaders are controlling the uppermost 1% of the worlds wealth and intelligence, is it:?
Most smart people realize money is worthless. WHatis of value is that which can be used and trusted amoung transparent allies.
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I have a good friend in the miltary. Last i heard he was in Afghanistan killing tobacco smugglers. You know, the kind of stuff that's going to save our lives. They don't even know what the fuck they're doing there.
The solution lies in Einstein's quote at the beginning of the vid. "The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service."
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unam sanctum said: How does making it legal later negate the fact that the invasion was illegal when it happened? That's some fucked logic there Pris.
it wasnt illegal, if it was please explain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War
The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: "From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal."[1][2] The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court reported in February 2006 that he had received 240 communications in connection with the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 which alleged that various war crimes had been committed.
The UN Security Council, as outlined in Article 39 of the UN Charter, has the ability to rule on the legality of the war, but has yet not been asked by any UN member nation to do so. The United States and the United Kingdom have veto power in the Security Council, so action by the Security Council is highly improbable even if the issue were to be raised.
Just because you don't get caught doesn't mean you weren't cheating.
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iwasaClown said: I have a good friend in the miltary. Last i heard he was in Afghanistan killing tobacco smugglers. You know, the kind of stuff that's going to save our lives. They don't even know what the fuck they're doing there.
The solution lies in Einstein's quote at the beginning of the vid. "The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service."
"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service"
Love that quote. And as they state in the video it seems the numbers of people saying no to war are rising. Or should I say followers of that movement.
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the man in the video was right. If our media wasnt bias, they would tell the american public both sides of the story. They would let the dissent voice speak, but they don't.
They throw around some rhetoric and call it patriotism, while the parents and young adults of our nation prepare to make the choice of whether or not to join the military.
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Unfortunately the background music and video title makes it difficult for me to facebook this one, and as such I won't.
A little too dramatic. The fact that Iraq Vets are saying things like this would have been enough without all the extra ambiance which lacks professionalism.
It's meant to appeal to emotion but it's preaching a bit hard to the choir. Gotta keep it somewhat neutral (again, kill the music and standardize/PC-proof the title) if you want to actually go about convincing the unconvinced.
I haven't heard of or thought of some of these concepts before though so it was a win for me. Thanks a lot for sharing.
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Man, i'm gonna FB it. I don't give a DAMN!
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
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since when is the US governed by the UN, sounds to me that the UN has many conflicting charters, one that gave the Coalition forces power under the UN charter and various resolution and others that allowed Anan to disagree and call it illegal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441
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Humility said: Unfortunately the background music and video title makes it difficult for me to facebook this one, and as such I won't.
A little too dramatic. The fact that Iraq Vets are saying things like this would have been enough without all the extra ambiance which lacks professionalism.
It's meant to appeal to emotion but it's preaching a bit hard to the choir. Gotta keep it somewhat neutral (again, kill the music and standardize/PC-proof the title) if you want to actually go about convincing the unconvinced.
I haven't heard of or thought of some of these concepts before though so it was a win for me. Thanks a lot for sharing.
I agree. But the video still remains important.
One day we wont need these videos. It will all be common sense. Something so rare in this world.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
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yup
if you have any friends who a specifically one sided support america's decision to kill whomever whenever kidna guys, send them to this and tell them that they should listen to the troops.
i did and i havnt gottena response yet
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the man in the video was right. If our media wasnt bias, they would tell the american public both sides of the story. They would let the dissent voice speak, but they don't.
which way does that bias run, didnt the media vilify george bush? why would they support 'his war'
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: since when is the US governed by the UN, sounds to me that the UN has many conflicting charters, one that gave the Coalition forces power under the UN charter and various resolution and others that allowed Anan to disagree and call it illegal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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because they have PR's inside the military and inside the military industrial complex. You bet your fucking ass they are going to be bias and make it out to be patriotic to not question your countries actions, to go halfway around the world to a fucking desert because it "is of the utmost importance to our national security"
They never show both sides. They never show the sides of the civilians. Its not just this war, its all of the times we have installed military dictators. You never hear about it. You never fucking do unless they effect our private interest and then the media simultaniously makes the guy out to be the devil in human flesh, rally up the american people by showing an american flag and then wee are off to protect our corporations.
Our national defense was not in jeapordy in either Afghanistan or Iraq. We can defend our country from here, we do not to fucking police the world. We are following the same path countless other empires went down on the road to collapse.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said: because they have PR's inside the military and inside the military industrial complex. You bet your fucking ass they are going to be bias and make it out to be patriotic to not question your countries actions, to go halfway around the world to a fucking desert because it "is of the utmost importance to our national security"
They never show both sides. They never show the sides of the civilians. Its not just this war, its all of the times we have installed military dictators. You never hear about it. You never fucking do unless they effect our private interest and then the media simultaniously makes the guy out to be the devil in human flesh, rally up the american people by showing an american flag and then wee are off to protect our corporations.
Our national defense was not in jeapordy in either Afghanistan or Iraq. We can defend our country from here, we do not to fucking police the world. We are following the same path countless other empires went down on the road to collapse.
Quiet dude. Would you have it good here. Would you rather have been born over there? You are IN right now. Doesnt it feel good? Put on a country song and crack a beer.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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I wouldn't like it if they had bases on my home land but we're america! we can do whatever we want, we are only looking out for the interests of GOD and of our wonderful nation. Them damn muslums don't know freedom from the broad side of a barn, and their stupid little SUNNII- Shiate dispute doesnt mean shit because it's not christian based. Its our right to go halfway across the world and mediate disputes that go back thousands of years and are embedded in the blood of these peoples, we can work it out with force.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Hey, have you forgotten?
Bump this shit. right now.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
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man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.
It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..
fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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unam sanctum said: Yeah, the war has been so great for the Iraqi people
It has. They actually control their own destiny now. They have been rid of the yoke of a tyrant. Why gaggles of nitwits fellate Saddam Hussein's legacy as if it farted unicorns is beyond any rational comprehension. He was a vile pox on the planet. Especially vile to Iraqis.
hey zappa its feeding time, big ol government just put out its teet with your name on it. What would you like today, vanilla or chocolate processed, dried and cut up reality?
How come saddam wasnt a tyrant when he invaded Iran? how come when he was torturing his own people before the kuwait war we didnt hear about it or do anything? How come we gave this dictator millions in aid, only to go against him when British oil fields are in jeapordy.?
Because it hadn't risen to a level that demanded international (not just US) intervention. Duh. British oil fields? Fucking spare me that ridiculous canard. They were Kuwaiti oil fields and regarding Iran let me point out that it would suit the living shit out of me if we destroyed their government too.Quote:
Why did we leave this dictator in power after the first gulf waR? sounds to me like we were leaving us some work for the future. Youre full of shit dude, the Iraqi people have not benefited at all.
Why was he left in power? Because the UN is a conglomeration of cunts. It was a mistake, I knew it was a mistake and we weren't in charge.Quote:
Do some research about american supported dictators. Do not buy into this fucking "were installing democracy" bullshit. Countless times we have gone against other countries democrratic processes only to install dictators that are tolerant toward US private interest.{/quote]
I know all about US supported dictators. Some are friendly and some are particularly vile. You also have an insane notion that the US has installed any of them. How fucking dumb do you have to be to believe, in this day and age, that the CIA is capable of installing anybody?Quote:
Saudi Arabia, bam, terrible dictators, horrible regime, but we give them hella tons of aid. And the mainstream media who;s jerkin off the defense sector never says one god damn thing about how tyrannical Saudi's are. How come the mainstream media didnt tell us about the gruesomness of the Sha of Iran? Yeah the Sha, the same ones who our CIa put in power after the democratically elected ruler decided he wanted to nationalize british oil fields to help support the countries economic interest?
The CIA did not put the Shah in power. They just helped. He also stayed within his own borders.Quote:
What about the Contra in south america? Huh? What about Papa and Baby Doc of haiti that we supported?
The Contras? The Sandinista were better? Fuck that. I am not aware that we had anything to do at all with maintaining the Duvaliers in Haiti. Quote:
We support dictators all over the place, dont dance around this fucking charade of bullshit that we are actually trying to help the iraqi people
Yes, NO FUCKING SHIT, most of the world is governed by dictatorships. Some are friendly and some are not. Most of them STAY WITHIN THEIR OWN FUCKING BORDERS. By the way both Gulf Wars had extensive international cooperation and support. It wasn't just us.
I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. Are you saying we should depose all dictators and enforce elections everywhere? Because all you come up with is that some dictators are still around while we went after this poor put-upon thug indiscriminately. Or we should never do anything about anything? What is your fucking policy? I can't wait to hear this muddled bit of nonsense.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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We're really just a bunch of motherfuckers looking for the next mother to fuck.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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THe truth is, I've never been to war, never want to be. THat doesnj't mean I wouln't try to kill someone, if there were trying to kill me. Now a days, nations just errase people, like a bad dream.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: unam sanctum]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441
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seems like the wars have
and for the record, I do oppose these wars, I also oppose Kokesh's little group of bull shitters making false claims, there's a lot of heinous acts in every war but for these tools to lie about some of this shit is just ridiculous, the claims of being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians goes over the top because it's one of those orders that can be refused under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I have never known a soldier that wasnt aware of it
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
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Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
#14585892 - 06/09/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL
Pris and Zappa support the troops, unless they disagree with the thoroughly just and necessary war. Then fuck em.
Cause Pris and Zappa are always right.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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Are you saying we should depose all dictators and enforce elections everywhere? Because all you come up with is that some dictators are still around while we went after this poor put-upon thug indiscriminately. Or we should never do anything about anything? What is your fucking policy? I can't wait to hear this muddled bit of nonsense.
LOL, hes not saying any of that. And as far as we never should do anything about anything well thats not whats he saying either. There is plenty of shit we could be involved in that is worth of our interaction. But instead we just invest our time only in what protects our status quo. Which your mind is a slave to.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
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no what Im saying is that we should respect other nations national sovereignty and mind our own fucking business.
Does it not make sense to you that we are only making more fucking enemies? We are recruiting more terrorist by being over there and we seperating ourselves from ever havign some sort of reconciliation between western/eastern people.
We need to stop giving away taxpayers dollars to fucking dictators around the world (Saddam, Ghaddafi, Egyptian dictator, The Sha, Saudi Arabia, Syria)
They can handle their own fucking problems and every, I MEAN EVERY god damn time we go over to the middle east we get tons of blow back. Didnt want 9/11 to happen? Maybe we shouldnt have installed dictators over the Iran people after they democratically elected a ruler. Dont want to be terrorized? Maybe we should stop supporting the Saudi dictators.
People can handle their own revolutions and they can install democracy themselves if they want to, just like we got our own democracy. We should stay the fuck out of their business, especially if the only benefits we get out of it are making money for defense contractors.
fuck man. Where the fuck did we get the right to police the world? Seriously where in the fuck did we get the right
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To be honest I do not support the war in any form, but it is correct that you CANNOT withdraw troops instantly after maintaining an occupying force in a country with an extremely unstable government for several years. It will just cause extreme political discourse and we will be right back in there once again.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said: no what Im saying is that we should respect other nations national sovereignty and mind our own fucking business.
Does it not make sense to you that we are only making more fucking enemies? We are recruiting more terrorist by being over there and we seperating ourselves from ever havign some sort of reconciliation between western/eastern people.
We need to stop giving away taxpayers dollars to fucking dictators around the world (Saddam, Ghaddafi, Egyptian dictator, The Sha, Saudi Arabia, Syria)
They can handle their own fucking problems and every, I MEAN EVERY god damn time we go over to the middle east we get tons of blow back. Didnt want 9/11 to happen? Maybe we shouldnt have installed dictators over the Iran people after they democratically elected a ruler. Dont want to be terrorized? Maybe we should stop supporting the Saudi dictators.
People can handle their own revolutions and they can install democracy themselves if they want to, just like we got our own democracy. We should stay the fuck out of their business, especially if the only benefits we get out of it are making money for defense contractors.
fuck man. Where the fuck did we get the right to police the world? Seriously where in the fuck did we get the right
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
#14585917 - 06/09/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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like there is ANY "honorable" way to kill another human being
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Nova]
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Nova said: What about the money? Pris and zappa i'd like to hear what you think about the money situation considering how poorly our economy is doing right now. Our defense budget is huge and seems to flow into these black hole military contractors. Seems like a roundabout way to funnel tax payer money into certain organizations pockets.
This is actually a point I said could be argued. Kind of. Those are jobs and they are legit functions of the federal government but are they good or bad for the economy? There is no doubt that it is essential that we maintain the greatest military in the history of the world but do we have to spend the extra money to use it in these particular instances? I posit that it was in our interests to do so. You can posit otherwise if you like, but that just comes down to counting beans and who gets them. In truth I would rather burn money in a fire than contribute it to creating a dependent welfare state. My point here is that most of the people who whine about the cost aren't the ones actually paying it and they're just pissed they didn't get a bigger chunk of my check since it went to the military and the biggest victims of the welfare state are welfare recipients.
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?
Yep. Kind of time to peel out of both of them, I think
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Heffy]
#14585932 - 06/09/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pris and Zappa support the troops, unless they disagree with the thoroughly just and necessary war. Then fuck em.
Cause Pris and Zappa are always right.
 You guys should go enlist.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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what sickens me the most if how the media ann military industrial complex fucking suck eachothers duck into tricking the american public into going to war.
They dont present both sides, theres no debate on war, theres just a bunch of god damn fear mongering and arousal to the tide of "patriotism" and before you know it we are violating other nations national sovereignty and the possible blowback is never fucking considered.
We are not ANY fucking safer now then we were ten years ago. I bet we have doubled the amount of people who want to kill us. We never hear about the dictators of the world, UNLESS it is in the corporate interest to go send our young men to some fucking desert to stick our nose in someone elses business.
Im not a fucking idiot, obviously we need some defense spending. DEFENSE NOT MILITARISM. We are not the fucking world empire. We do not own the middle east. We barely even understand the middle east.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?
Yep. Kind of time to peel out of both of them, I think
Agreed but can't you just picture the scenario? Corrupt elections resulting in successive third party coups until the cows come home. THEN it will be another Vietnam.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: and for the record, I do oppose these wars, I also oppose Kokesh's little group of bull shitters making false claims, there's a lot of heinous acts in every war but for these tools to lie about some of this shit is just ridiculous, the claims of being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians goes over the top because it's one of those orders that can be refused under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I have never known a soldier that wasnt aware of it
The rules aren't always applied. The Uniform Code might be the last thing in a solder's mind when they're being barked at to shoot someone and shit's getting real.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: LayinUp]
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LayinUp said: like there is ANY "honorable" way to kill another human being
I do not think so. Even in self defense its an act that should never be praised. You do what you have to do but these wars is not one of thos things.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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What I don't understand, is why the killing of BInLdn was such a cliche AMerican play. THey knew exactly what it was gonna look like.
No American Casualties in the mission, what they didn't mention were the injured critical co-alition troops that were almsot killed.
THe compound was ready for the death ahead.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine]
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DiscoBiscuitsTrip said: Saddam is dead, Osama is dead. So what i want to know is why are we still there?
Yep. Kind of time to peel out of both of them, I think
Agreed but can't you just picture the scenario? Corrupt elections resulting in successive third party coups until the cows come home. THEN it will be another Vietnam.
Well we have to do the right thing at some point. We need to leave asap. Or should I say tomorrow. If they get taken over again by another dictator well then it is what it is. Until they bomb our cities or invade or land we need to stay the fuck out of their business.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.
It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..
fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks
Osama bin Laden perpetrated the attacks on the US solely because we had some troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia because of Saddam Hussein. To protect Saudi Arabia. Did you know that SA doesn't have a military worth a cocksniff? Who the fuck made that cunt the ruler of Saudi Arabia? His own fucking family despised him before anybody else did. WE WERE THERE AT THE INVITATION OF THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT. And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too. Big fucking deal. Go live under a rock.
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man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.
It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..
fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks
And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too. Big fucking deal. Go live under a rock.
Yeah, who was the last to invade our homeland?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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The whole area is a powder keg. If there is a World War III in the near future then it will doubtless have something to do with that region.
I think the argument is stale, though. We can all agree that we are in some unexpectedly deep shit and there is absolutely no simple solution that will leave us all feeling peachy.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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China has a floating Casino that can hold a million people stacked up. Seems they are ready for the Apocalypse of global warming and mass flooding. Still too worried about the day to things like owning a home, most Americans are helping family survive. Yet, eventually, the saved things come to use and full fruition.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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oh yeah you talked to him? You sure it had nothing to do with the fact that we armed the Taliban and gave them monet to fight the soviets , only to waltz out and leave their country in fucking ruins after the war? YOu sure it has nothing to do with the puppet fighting we supported during the cold war?
you sure it has nothing to do with us supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected ruler in Iran because he didnt support US corporate interest? You sure it has nothing to do with us perpetuating the interest of our oil companies in the land of their ancestors? You sure it has nothing to do with us forcing capitalism upon all area's of the middle east, only for all the wealth earned to settle at the top and leave the middle and lower classes to bottom out?
You sure? I think they had every fucking right to attack us. I think they have every fucking right to demand we leave their country. We do not care about the civilians of other countries. We do not care about the torture or war crimes carried out by dictators across the world. We care about oil and other corporate interest.
What pisses me off is that they sell it as if we are the greatest, most moral people on earth. That whereever we send our troops we grace with the gifts of democracy, that we fight for the rights of the people of this earth.
WHICH WE FUCKING DONT. Thats what fucking gets me. They orchestrate and carry out lies to fool the american public into believing we are doing our moral duty when all we are doing is sucking the dick of fucking defense contractors
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Iraq forfeited it's sovereignity when it invaded KUwait, got driven out and surrendered under certain terms. Those terms were not being met. Not even close. Oops.Quote:
Does it not make sense to you that we are only making more fucking enemies? We are recruiting more terrorist by being over there and we seperating ourselves from ever havign some sort of reconciliation between western/eastern people.
I have never subscribed to the notion that surrender is a preferable response to criminality. Nor do I believe that Saddam Hussein was a representative of the Eastern world. WTF! Did you forget that he initially attacked another Eastern nation that we saved? Fucking hell. Hold more than one fact in your head at a time, boy.Quote:
We need to stop giving away taxpayers dollars to fucking dictators around the world (Saddam, Ghaddafi, Egyptian dictator, The Sha, Saudi Arabia, Syria)
They can handle their own fucking problems and every, I MEAN EVERY god damn time we go over to the middle east we get tons of blow back. Didnt want 9/11 to happen? Maybe we shouldnt have installed dictators over the Iran people after they democratically elected a ruler. Dont want to be terrorized? Maybe we should stop supporting the Saudi dictators.
Blow back? How's this for blow back. We have to deal with those fucking monsters over and over again because we never completely defeat them. Germany is no problem. Japan is no problem. We fucking meddled there, didn't we? Quote:
People can handle their own revolutions and they can install democracy themselves if they want to, just like we got our own democracy. We should stay the fuck out of their business, especially if the only benefits we get out of it are making money for defense contractors.
fuck man. Where the fuck did we get the right to police the world? Seriously where in the fuck did we get the right
50 fucking nations were involved in both those issues. It isn't JUST US like the nitwits like to present. I doubt we would have done it if that had been the case. Just fucking ignorant and/or forgetful.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I kind of view Osama as a spoiled brat who got way more publicity than he deserved. I mean, the dude comes from one of the most wealthy Saudi families in existence, but he decided to be the black sheep, and I don't know what attack you are referring to but I'll assume it's 9/11. In that case, there is no one cause, you guys could argue about them for years. Partially, he was a lunatic who made a plan that was lucky enough to work. Partially, the US did some screwing over. Partially, you can blame religious zealot behavior. You can blame the political games of the cold war. It's far too complicated to sum up these things in a couple paragraph post on an internet forum.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.
It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..
fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks
And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too. Big fucking deal. Go live under a rock.
Yeah, who was the last to invade our homeland?
Iran.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Caine]
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Do you guys not see the Illuminati are involved and internationally orchestrated the events and executed anyone who ever mention the Illuminati or the thought of the new IGO.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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man some people are such fucking tools. WE INVITED 9/11. IF SOME COUNTRY REPEATEDLY OVER THE COURSE OF 60 YEARS STUCK THEIR NOSE IN OUR BUSINESS AND INFLUENCED WITH FORCE OUR DECISION MAKING THE LEAST WE WOULD DO IS HIJACK THEIR AIRPLANES AND DESTROY THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR BUILDINGS.
It sounds fucked up but god damn people, show some fucking cultural relativism. Americans are not god, and we are not above morality. We must consider what we have done to the peoples of the middle east and why they hate us..
fuck man. funny video though. fuckin hicks
And every fucking country sticks their nose in our business, too. Big fucking deal. Go live under a rock.
Yeah, who was the last to invade our homeland?
Iran.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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Blow back? How's this for blow back. We have to deal with those fucking monsters over and over again because we never completely defeat them. Germany is no problem. Japan is no problem. We fucking meddled there, didn't we? Quote:
those are fucking different. Those were militaristic nations who directly posed a threat to us. Im not saying I did not support the 93 gulf war, they invaded kuwait,. We went in and stopped them. Why then did we only blow him up to be a dictator after that? Why didnt we blow him up when he was torturing his people before then? Why were giving him 100m in aid before that? Seems like blowback to me, we bought his weapons that he used against us. My point is we should not be giving aid to fucking anybody. We should not be supporting or fighting against anyone over there, its not our business and we always get blowback.
How can you even compare germany/japan to this? they are apples and oranges, the types of war arent even comparible.
why did we help kuwait but not Iran? Why did we give this "dictator" millions and millions of US tax dollars only to have to remove him later?
Why did we not go to congress for a declaration of war in '01?
Why did we support the Sha of Iran when they were clearly a very oppressive regime and were torturing their own citizens? If we care so much about human rights why did we defend the dictators or Saudi Arabia?
And why did we give aid to Papa and Baby Doc of Haiti?
http://tfclub.tripod.com/list.html http://www.tomveatch.com/dictatorships.html http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/02/a-reminder-mubarak-isn-t-the-only-u-s-backed-dictator/21262/ http://www.military-veterans-for-justice.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=13
those are a list of dictators who we take give taxdollars too. dont act like america is there to do fucking justice we are serving our fucking corporate interest and you fucking know it. We dont give two shits about human or civil rights.,
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i dont understand how your so sick of the welfare system but you have no objections to us investing our money in metal and explosives, and EXPLODING those in a fucking desert. there is no fucking return on our investment. We are blowing up our moeny and making more enemies.
We are no more safe then we were 10 years ago. I dont understand how you can support us on our road to collapse.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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i dont understand how you are so against people getting money from the government but you dont give two shits about defense contractors and oil companies making money off of our tax dollars.
why cant we let them just handle their own problems? why cant we let them decide how to govern their fucking selves? We are like the parent who has a child who absolutely dispises them, and instead of talking to our child or spending time with them, we throw money at them and hope that they say nice things to us in our presence just so we can feel good for a few minutes,.
Once again, we are only recruiting more enemies against us. We are teaching generations of middle eastern people why exactly they should hate america. We are taking the lifeblood of our nation and sending them halfway across the world. We are borrowing 42 cents of each dollar to fucking do it to.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Its all business.
WhoaWhoa Whoa.
I just tried to take this youtube video and post it to my facebook profile. A perfectly legitimate, not-spam video of Obama giving an official speech to the American Public. It was BLOCKED by FB for being abusive/spamming. What the fuck.
NOW THAT IS POLICE-STATE LIKE. What the FUCK.

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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I was able to post it to mine Meams 
But that is weird.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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ill try again.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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No. I did not have the opportunity to talk to him. But he told us why he did it, which pretty much every school child should know.Quote:
You sure it had nothing to do with the fact that we armed the Taliban and gave them monet to fight the soviets , only to waltz out and leave their country in fucking ruins after the war? YOu sure it has nothing to do with the puppet fighting we supported during the cold war?
We didn't just arm the Taliban, we didn't ruin that country (which by the way isn't Saudi Arabia, bin Laden's homeland), the Russians did. Inasmuch as there was anything there to be ruined. They should have kissed our asses. We didn't invade Afghanistan, the Soviets did Quote:
you sure it has nothing to do with us supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected ruler in Iran because he didnt support US corporate interest? You sure it has nothing to do with us perpetuating the interest of our oil companies in the land of their ancestors? You sure it has nothing to do with us forcing capitalism upon all area's of the middle east, only for all the wealth earned to settle at the top and leave the middle and lower classes to bottom out?
Yes, since he specifically said it was because we had troops in his holy land, Saudi Arabia. Forcing capitalism? He came from one of the biggest beneficiaries of capitalism in the world. Are you arguing he was some kind of Marxist warrior? Holy shit that is some strange projection you got going on there, Komrade.Quote:
You sure? I think they had every fucking right to attack us. I think they have every fucking right to demand we leave their country. We do not care about the civilians of other countries. We do not care about the torture or war crimes carried out by dictators across the world. We care about oil and other corporate interest.
Who has those rights? Every psychopathic nutcase's wishes must be considered as the policy of their government? Quote:
What pisses me off is that they sell it as if we are the greatest, most moral people on earth. That whereever we send our troops we grace with the gifts of democracy, that we fight for the rights of the people of this earth.
Well? Which Iraq would you rather live in? This one or the Saddam one? Which country would you rather live in Iran or Iraq?Quote:
WHICH WE FUCKING DONT. Thats what fucking gets me. They orchestrate and carry out lies to fool the american public into believing we are doing our moral duty when all we are doing is sucking the dick of fucking defense contractors
Oh spare us your paranoid raving "defense contractor" bullshit. Endlessly ignored by you is that there were over 50 nations involved. IT WASN'T JUST US. Get that in your head.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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wow i just did the same thing. that is fucking bullshit. Its an unedited video clearly showing obama lying to the face of the US public.
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youre not worth talking to zappa. Have fun supporting us on our road to collapse. I hope you know that the next terrorist attack on our soil will be because of people like you. People like you who cannot step outside their narrow little mind set and consider the lives of the people we are fighting.
You are the most ethnocentric bastard i have ever met on this website. you have absolutely no consideration for the people of the nations we are occupying. For people a right wing neo-con you sure seem to support actions above our congressional approval. You sure seem to support a one-world military and crushing the voice of the dissent. you sure seem to think that america's boarders dont end at the the atlantic but stretch out to the middle east.
Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
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Prisoner#1 said: and for the record, I do oppose these wars, I also oppose Kokesh's little group of bull shitters making false claims, there's a lot of heinous acts in every war but for these tools to lie about some of this shit is just ridiculous, the claims of being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians goes over the top because it's one of those orders that can be refused under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, I have never known a soldier that wasnt aware of it
The rules aren't always applied. The Uniform Code might be the last thing in a solder's mind when they're being barked at to shoot someone and shit's getting real.
when 'shit is getting real', orders are the last thing you're concerned about, keeping your ass from being shot off is, in a fire fight anything shooting in your direction is an enemy combatant, and typically civilians arent doing the shooting and are doing all they can to GTFO of the area or at the least take some sort of cover, one of the many things you learn in boot camp is target identification and acquisition, look for the flash, shoot in that direction. if you're shooting at the flashes and civilians are hit then there's 2 things that stand out in my mind as to what happened, either the enemy used civilians as shields OR the guns the enemy was using were carted off by survivors
both do happen as does the occasional civilian being shot accidentally whether because they were a mistaken target or a stray/ricochet shot and the dumbass that subscribes to the spray and pray philosophy and doesnt give a fuck what they hit
any CO/NCO that gives explicit orders, as was claimed by this tool to shoot civilians in their homes makes him a criminal, I suspect these 1200 jackasses shot anything that moved and fabricated their stories to try and absolve their guilt for killing civilians
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said: Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.
you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Pris I have the feeling that if someone you cared about got shot you'd quit your collateral damage rationalizing.
It's rare that an order will be given to kill civilians.
It's very frequent that an order will be given to kill "everyone". Houses are blown up, folks are shot and it doesn't *matter* whether they are civilian or combatant because the people who can make decisions about specific instances get paid to look the other way.
Whatever, I'm not the one blowing up homes full of people. That kind of thing affects everyone differently, but it affects everyone.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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realfuzzhead said: Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.
you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?
lolol
It doesnt matter. Especially when this war is supposed to support "freedom and democracy"
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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It doesn't matter?
I'd rather have innocent deaths with the ultimate end of a more stable and people-driven nation, rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.
seems silly to think otherwise, right?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: any CO/NCO that gives explicit orders, as was claimed by this tool to shoot civilians in their homes makes him a criminal, I suspect these 1200 jackasses shot anything that moved and fabricated their stories to try and absolve their guilt for killing civilians
Interesting. I wonder just how many trigger happy douchebags are enlisted..i hope they're not the majority.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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meams said: rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.
seems silly to think otherwise, right?
Yes, i understand in the short term during hte war, fear is rampant regardless, and it can be interpreted that we (the US) are a "strong hand of a dictator".
but thats not the goal, and without these actions, the same deaths would be occuring with no 'progress' at all.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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The collapse will not come from without nor will it have anything to do with foreign "intervention".Quote:
You are the most ethnocentric bastard i have ever met on this website. you have absolutely no consideration for the people of the nations we are occupying.
We aren't occupying any nation. You are a fantasist.Quote:
For people a right wing neo-con you sure seem to support actions above our congressional approval.
I do not support our current involvement in Libya. Afghanistan and Iraq were both authorized by Congress.Quote:
You sure seem to support a one-world military and crushing the voice of the dissent.
I do not consider murdering 3,000 people an acceptable form of dissent. Since we disagree so wholeheartedly would you consider it acceptable if I chopped your head off?Quote:
you sure seem to think that america's boarders dont end at the the atlantic but stretch out to the middle east.
For the last time, it wasn't just us. Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you not well?Quote:
Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.
We don't deliberately kill civilians. We protect them as best we can. It is your pals who deliberately kill civilians.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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It doesn't matter?
I'd rather have innocent deaths with the ultimate end of a more stable and people-driven nation, rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.
seems silly to think otherwise, right?
What makes you think that area will be more stable?? What evidence coming from anything we have done thus far makes you think they will have a more stable environment there? Or the way in which they perceive this country??
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thoughts]
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Prisoner#1 said: any CO/NCO that gives explicit orders, as was claimed by this tool to shoot civilians in their homes makes him a criminal, I suspect these 1200 jackasses shot anything that moved and fabricated their stories to try and absolve their guilt for killing civilians
Interesting. I wonder just how many trigger happy douchebags are enlisted..i hope they're not the majority.
it would appear that out of a total of around half a million that served in Iraq, there's at least 1200
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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realfuzzhead said: Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.
you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?
lolol
Misses the point. We do not care if someone is a dictator. If we did we wouldnt support all the dictators that we do. What we care about is protecting private interest and prop it up to make it look like we are trying to defend injustice abroad.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: It doesnt matter. Especially when this war is supposed to support "freedom and democracy"
It doesn't matter?
I'd rather have innocent deaths with the ultimate end of a more stable and people-driven nation, rather than have innocent deaths and a constant environment of fear, perpetuated by the srong hand of a dictator.
seems silly to think otherwise, right?
What makes you think that area will be more stable?? What evidence coming from anything we have done thus far makes you think they will have a more stable environment there? Or the way in which they perceive this country??
Stable was probably the wrong word choice. There is nothing more stable than a total dictatorship. I, myself, would have gone with free.
How the insane perceive us is not to be considered except in the context that they will know good and goddam well that fucking with us is a bad idea. That is the only thing insane maniacs can understand. I don't give two shits if they sell us their oil, there is other oil to buy and drill here at home. Enough, in fact. Say, how has it gone with us taking over all of Iraq's oilfields, anyway?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Humility]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said: Those innocent peoples blood will be on your hands. And we will have to go to war again for another 10 years, killing more civilians while we try and uproot a guerilla movement that wants us out of their land.
you realize less innocent people are killed during a war than are killed via the hand of an unchecked dictator, right?
lolol
Misses the point. We do not care if someone is a dictator. If we did we wouldnt support all the dictators that we do. What we care about is protecting private interest and prop it up to make it look like we are trying to defend injustice abroad.
As I have posted several gazillion times and which you can't seem to wrap your brain around is that they have to get particularly heinous for us AND MOST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD to actually do anything.
I sure as shit do not support this sudden Ghaddafi business. He should have been taken out 30 years ago when he was actively insane. He's pretty much been an international lamb for about a decade.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Stable was probably the wrong word choice. There is nothing more stable than a total dictatorship. I, myself, would have gone with free.

You're having a laugh. Anybody who thinks we're trying to bring democracy to these countries is fooling themselves. We don't want countries to be democratic when 80+% of their people want IRan to have nukes.
We're just trying to install a new dictator who will play ball.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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looks to me like we dont declare war as often as you think zappa
http://www.johntreed.com/declarationofwar.html
and I UNDERSTAND IT WASNT JUST THE US DOING IT. but be fucking real, its not germany , nor south korea leading this shit. It's us, we sit atop the UN, we sell them the same bullshit we sell the american people, it doesnt make it any more justified.
and what else were they supposed to do to show dissent? fucking call uo Obama? Go to our media? what the fuck were they supposed to do?
Why cant we let them just fucking handle their irrational middle eastern politics in their own matter and why dont we fucking spend the money on building up our own infrastructure? You support building schools, and roads in iraq while our education system is failing and our infrastructure is crumbling?
And how are we not occupying those nations? how are we not occupying afghanistan and iraq? If some country had over 100,000 soldiers here and could do what they want, when they want Id consider us occupied.
in a world with no absolutes it is not our duty to install our morals and ways of life on people halfway across the world. Do you feel more safe now that we are going broke blowing shit up and losing lives in a fucking desert halfway accross the world?
Cause I sure as hell fucking dont' we are taking boarder patrols from here and sending them to iraq. We are taking young men and sending them there. We are diverting precious recources from a struggling private sector and blowing them up over in some fucking desert. I cant believe you are such a fucking pawn of the military industrial complex, but oh wait that doesnt exist right? its just some hippy mumbo jumbo made up because we hate war right?
zappa youre wrong. The brutality of the dictator has NOTHING to do with why or when we take them out. If that was true we wouldnt of given money to the hundreds of dictators that I cited in the post i directed at you. We do not care how badly a dictator brutalizes his people, unless it effects our interest.
if we did we wouldnt of given 100m to ghaddafi or we wouldnt of support Saddam at all. We wouldnt of supported any of the other fucking dictators either
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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was it right? was it wrong? .
But no pakistanis have hijacked a commercial jet, and no buildings have been targeted for demolition with people in them. good tactic? maybe so, maybe not - but extremely effective.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: vvitchdoctor]
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm
15 of the 19 were saudi. So why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan?
and if we are in afghanistan, why dont we destroy the poppy fields? To ensure that our DEA has work to do and so our prison complex has people to arrest right?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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15 of the 19 were saudi. So why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan?
and if we are in afghanistan, why dont we destroy the poppy fields? To ensure that our DEA has work to do and so our prison complex has people to arrest right?
The poppy's are a boomin bruhhh
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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PRISONER AND ZAPPA
WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE US USING WHITE PHOSPHORUS?U
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
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Two_Swarm said: That image of the dozen dead bodies may seem extreme, but most people desensitize themselves to such things early on.. in fact violent video games were invented by the governments of the coalition forces to control the populations riot reaction to mass violence. So when it does happen, those people are REALLY shocked, when they get a limb blown off or like see a guy blown in half, still alive.
I dont know about that. Im pretty sure i'd have some problems if I saw someones head blown off in front of me and ive been playing violent games since I was 10-11 yrs old
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WHY WERE THEY USING DEPLETED URANIUM
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I always seem to be out when these debates go down. Should I be thankful?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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sort of.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said: I always seem to be out when these debates go down. Should I be thankful?
Yeah nobody's mind ever gets changed, it's just the Pub vs zappa and Pris. If you don't like The O'Reilly Factor you won't like this shit.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
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 That pretty much sums it up.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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For real.
But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: PRISONER AND ZAPPA
WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE US USING WHITE PHOSPHORUS?U
"uh, um... white phosphorous... possibly napalm, may or may not have been used"
sure doesnt sound like he has a clue what was used
and what do I say about it... dont get it on you
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: WHY WERE THEY USING DEPLETED URANIUM
WHY IS IT USED IN CONCRETE IN THE US?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
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Mad_Larkin said: I always seem to be out when these debates go down. Should I be thankful?
Yeah nobody's mind ever gets changed, it's just the Pub vs zappa and Pris. If you don't like The O'Reilly Factor you won't like this shit.
so you're saying you dont like the truth.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: For real.
But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.
That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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AlphaFalfa said: PRISONER AND ZAPPA
WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE US USING WHITE PHOSPHORUS?U
"uh, um... white phosphorous... possibly napalm, may or may not have been used"
sure doesnt sound like he has a clue what was used
and what do I say about it... dont get it on you
Same goes for semen.
But yeah, I have to agree, that guy didn't sound like he had a clue. Also, I'm almost certain military code for White Phosphorus is Willie Pete not Whiskey Pete...
That being said, I've no doubt that it's been used as an offensive weapon in Iraq.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
#14586538 - 06/09/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.
That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.

You are probably right.

Maybe ill find one to join
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said: For real.
But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.
That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.

You are probably right.

Maybe ill find one to join

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Thanks for posting, realfuzzhead. very interesting & eye opening.
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Sometimes I feel bad for what we did there. And sometimes I feel good.. And other times I have no clue what I feel.. I feel LIED to mostly. But there isnt anything you or I can do about it now...
This clip cheers me up most the time..
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: memes]
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DeadHearts said: For real.
But overall I think whoever views this thread will more than likely side with us rational thinkers when it comes to something like war in which an "evolution" of sorts I believe is taking place. Slowly but surely.
That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.

You are probably right.

Maybe ill find one to join

www.vadriven.com
start a war thread - see what happens 
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
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This video cracks me up.
War and politics are corrupt. Did you people really not know that? Holy shit good morning to ya.
Soldiers know what they're getting into. If anybody is stupid enough to think that they're "serving their country" then they got another thing coming. Don't join the fucking Military if you don't want to be told what to do, period. "Serving your country" is a fucking ludicrous ideal in itself... country is an illusion, a boundary to keep us from realizing we're all fucking human. Country and language and religion are just ways to try and seperate from one another, which in my eyes is nothing but devolution.
Nobody in this video said anything mind blowing... everyone I've talked to who was in the desert just says it was either kick-ass and they wanna go back, or it was really fucking boring and they'd rather not go again 
What really makes me laugh though is what the Marine said about private contractors, which is definitely true. The Military pays these contractors an absolutely INSANE amount of money.. fucking blue jean pricks with alligator skin shoes, pathetic.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: uber_aj]
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I can't wait.
Its already interesting. They cannot even get past the Einstein quote
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said: country is an illusion, a boundary to keep us from realizing we're all fucking human. Country and language and religion are just ways to try and seperate from one another, which in my eyes is nothing but devolution.
try telling that to the international committee on ludicrous statements
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pfxtc said: country is an illusion, a boundary to keep us from realizing we're all fucking human. Country and language and religion are just ways to try and seperate from one another, which in my eyes is nothing but devolution.
try telling that to the international committee on ludicrous statements
They'd make me King.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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That's mostly b/c we're on a mushroom/drugs forum. Try having this debate on a muscle car forum, it's the polar opposite.

You are probably right.

Maybe ill find one to join

www.vadriven.com
start a war thread - see what happens 
Im signed up and have made my first thread. Ill report back with responses 
Welp you were right. Im am now considered to be a troll and not one single person has made one good point in regards to our wars or has agreed with me in any way. Im also "the kid bitching about roe/ruf" not sure what that means lol.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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If someone tells me to "drag a girl into the street by the arm" I'd say fuck you. I'm not in the military but if someone told me to do it, no lol. These people did the order and are feeling guilty as they should. Fucking idiots.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: PreparationH]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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None of my friends in the military cry about their chain of command telling them to shoot unarmed people. More like my good friend bitches that they're sitting ducks rolling on patrols just waiting to get shot in the face first before they can engage people.
Shame on the Marine Corps. and Army for allowing these types of people to get to their positions of power
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: PreparationH]
#14586931 - 06/09/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know what youre saying but this was just a experiment of sorts to see what (people from a different background) thought when proposed certain questions. I basically just reposted the OP from this thread.
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Yeah nobody's mind ever gets changed, it's just the Pub vs zappa and Pris. If you don't like The O'Reilly Factor you won't like this shit.
I've never watched the O'Reilly factor and the total time I have spent watching Fox News probably does not amount to one hour. Everyday the NY Times is dropped on my doorstep and I read it almost entire. This debate has been made over and over again in the proper forum in which both sides have weighed in FOR YEARS. Why do people insist on posting this shit in the Pub? Why don't the mods immediately move them out?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: LayinUp]
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Yeah nobody's mind ever gets changed, it's just the Pub vs zappa and Pris. If you don't like The O'Reilly Factor you won't like this shit.
I've never watched the O'Reilly factor and the total time I have spent watching Fox News probably does not amount to one hour. Everyday the NY Times is dropped on my doorstep and I read it almost entire. This debate has been made over and over again in the proper forum in which both sides have weighed in FOR YEARS. Why do people insist on posting this shit in the Pub? Why don't the mods immediately move them out?
If thats the case then the pub's name should be changed to something else.
This is where most of the people of the site choose to spend their time and thus their posts are seen by more people. Duhhh!
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Humility said: Pris I have the feeling that if someone you cared about got shot you'd quit your collateral damage rationalizing.
no relevance what so ever to the discussion
How is it not relevant? I'm saying that if you were personally involved in a conflict and you suffered as a result of someone else's "mistake" I highly doubt you'd be willing to be as non-chalant about things as you are when it's some story about some people some place thousands of miles away.
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I've never watched the O'Reilly factor and the total time I have spent watching Fox News probably does not amount to one hour. Everyday the NY Times is dropped on my doorstep and I read it almost entire. This debate has been made over and over again in the proper forum in which both sides have weighed in FOR YEARS. Why do people insist on posting this shit in the Pub? Why don't the mods immediately move them out?
If thats the case then the pub's name should be changed to something else.
This is where most of the people of the site choose to spend their time and thus their posts are seen by more people. Duhhh!
Why have forums at all, then?
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I've never watched the O'Reilly factor and the total time I have spent watching Fox News probably does not amount to one hour. Everyday the NY Times is dropped on my doorstep and I read it almost entire. This debate has been made over and over again in the proper forum in which both sides have weighed in FOR YEARS. Why do people insist on posting this shit in the Pub? Why don't the mods immediately move them out?
If thats the case then the pub's name should be changed to something else.
This is where most of the people of the site choose to spend their time and thus their posts are seen by more people. Duhhh!
Why have forums at all, then?
Ohhh the horror!!!
Truth is no matter where this is posted the facts remain the same. War is bullshit. Especially when it is being carried out by our current American system.
I will never understand why some people hate on others for hating on war. Its just terrible all around.
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"Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell 'em at K-Mart."
"He died in Korea!"
"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea."
No one—and I repeat, no one—has ever died for a flag. See, a flag is just a piece of cloth. They may have died for freedom, which is also the freedom to burn the f*ckin' flag.
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Ohhh the horror!!!
Truth is no matter where this is posted the facts remain the same. War is bullshit. Especially when it is being carried out by our current American system.
I will never understand why some people hate on others for hating on war. Its just terrible all around.
I hate war too, honey. It really sucks. You know what else sucks? Police and prisons. That doesn't mean we should stop having them. There are really really shitty people out there and it aint us. Sometimes an obligation is thrust upon you. Adults know this.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ohhh the horror!!!
Truth is no matter where this is posted the facts remain the same. War is bullshit. Especially when it is being carried out by our current American system.
I will never understand why some people hate on others for hating on war. Its just terrible all around.
I hate war too, honey. It really sucks. You know what else sucks? Police and prisons. That doesn't mean we should stop having them. There are really really shitty people out there and it aint us. Sometimes an obligation is thrust upon you. Adults know this.
We need police yes. We do not need as many prisons as we have thats for damn sure. The numbers of non violent criminals in this country is insane! Thanks mainly to the current war at home.
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pfxtc said: "Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell 'em at K-Mart."
"He died in Korea!"
"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea."
No one—and I repeat, no one—has ever died for a flag. See, a flag is just a piece of cloth. They may have died for freedom, which is also the freedom to burn the f*ckin' flag.
You dont get symbolism do you?
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pfxtc said: "Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell 'em at K-Mart."
"He died in Korea!"
"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea."
No one—and I repeat, no one—has ever died for a flag. See, a flag is just a piece of cloth. They may have died for freedom, which is also the freedom to burn the f*ckin' flag.
You dont get symbolism do you?

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Humility]
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Humility said: Pris I have the feeling that if someone you cared about got shot you'd quit your collateral damage rationalizing.
no relevance what so ever to the discussion
How is it not relevant? I'm saying that if you were personally involved in a conflict and you suffered as a result of someone else's "mistake" I highly doubt you'd be willing to be as non-chalant about things as you are when it's some story about some people some place thousands of miles away.
I really dont grasp the point you're trying to make as it's out in left field in regard to the topic, I've lost friends to a sniper's bullet, seen people I cared about killed by artillery, I've seen children go through some of the most horrific treatment humans can devise and most were civilians. do you think this had no effect on me? these people were not collateral, they were targets. it wasnt a case when a few bullets went astray, or shelling coordinates were a little off, these were people targeted deliberately by the JNA
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I think your full of it. I think 95% of everything you write is made up on the spot.
If I'm wrong, your either omniscient or plainly, the harbinger of all truth.
Your welcome.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: thescientist]
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If I'm wrong, your either omniscient or plainly, the harbinger of all truth.
Your welcome.
His facts are usually 100% right on. You just don't like his view points.
I don't most of the time either, but it's fun to watch him argue himself the winner.
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"Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell 'em at K-Mart."
"He died in Korea!"
"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea."
No one—and I repeat, no one—has ever died for a flag. See, a flag is just a piece of cloth. They may have died for freedom, which is also the freedom to burn the f*ckin' flag.
Oh wow, some guy quoting Bill Hicks in an attempt to sound intelligent. Too bad Bill Hicks was a fucking moron
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I respectfully disagree with your 1st point, and fully agree with the last 2. He consistently reduces the overall quality of this site for myself and certainly many others through his relentlessness and domineering presence.
I'm getting quite tired of it. Coaster wouldn't even be this bad as a mod.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Newlord]
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"Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell 'em at K-Mart."
"He died in Korea!"
"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea."
No one—and I repeat, no one—has ever died for a flag. See, a flag is just a piece of cloth. They may have died for freedom, which is also the freedom to burn the f*ckin' flag.
Oh wow, some guy quoting Bill Hicks in an attempt to sound intelligent. Too bad Bill Hicks was a fucking moron 
What an epic failure of a post.
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AlphaFalfa said: WHY WERE THEY USING DEPLETED URANIUM
WHY IS IT USED IN CONCRETE IN THE US?
In VERY FEW applications does it get used in concrete.
Why did my brother need creams for a disease that he healed with a dietary change???
Because the doctors don't know any better.
We've been through this Prisoner.
No need to get into or all over it again.
Let it be.
Okay, bud.
Anything else though?
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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WHY IS IT USED IN CONCRETE IN THE US?
In VERY FEW applications does it get used in concrete.
I worked with it, thousands of cubic yards, that's hundreds of thousands of tons of DUcrete, no adverse health problems
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Because the doctors don't know any better.
ok, so doctards dont know any better, what's that tell you about the count of casualties in the lancet survey and their claims about depleted uranium
now what's it got to do with iraq vets wanting the US out of iraq
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EntheogenicPeace said: If we support it (i.e. fund, arm, & even train the forces carrying it out) when it suits our political & economic interests, how are we better than the Serbs who were committing similar crimes?
what are the crimes the US is committing
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what are the crimes the US is committing
Im sure there are plenty. And there are a lot of people who would agree. Heres one.
MPs Call for Arrests of Kissinger, Cheney, Bush at 2011 Bilderberg Conference (Suedostschweiz, Switzerland)
According to this article from Switzerland’s Suedostschweiz, which includes a letter from Swiss MP Dominique Baettig calling for the arrest of U.S. officials, the group is rumored to be meeting in St. Moritz, Switzerland – starting today.
According to a letter on the Bilderberg conference addressed to Simonetta Sommaruga, a National Council member and head of the Jura Police Department, Jura representative Dominique Baettig is calling for the arrest of conference participants who are internationally wanted for war crimes (George W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, and Richard Perle). Based on the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, such action is called for when a country makes a referral or response to an initiative by the U.N. Security Council, or by its own prosecuting authority.
The following is an excerpt from an e-mail sent on May 9th by National Council Representative Dominique Baettig to Justice Minister Barbara Janom-Steiner:
Dear Mrs. Janom-Steiner,
I write to you as a citizen in a democracy to inform you, as the responsible government representative, of my concerns referenced above.
Therefore, it would be good if you would first familiarize yourself with my letter to Federal Counselor Simonetta Sommaruga, and then, after appropriate consultation with Federal Prosecutor Erwin Beyeler, take all necessary measures, should certain Bilderberg participants – at least Messieurs Bush, Kissinger, Cheney, Perle, etc. – seek to avoid a “Bush-Cointrin” or a “Polansky-Kloten” scenario, to arrest these individuals at Samedan or St. Moritz Airports for potential delivery into the hands of the various courts of jurisdiction (The Hague, etc.).
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are we going with a running total? maybe we should arrest the world because you're financing the murder of these people, your parents and grand parents did as well and no country isnt financing it so we're all war criminals, let's all head to The Hague for our trials
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are we going with a running total? maybe we should arrest the world because you're financing the murder of these people, your parents and grand parents did as well and no country isnt financing it so we're all war criminals, let's all head to The Hague for our trials
Shit has to stop somewhere. Instead of funding wars and outspending all other counties on defense we should focus on the positive. There are clear and obvious problems with our way of life and government and bla blah we all know blah blah.
Other countries are no better off but damn.
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EntheogenicPeace said: Pretending that millions have not been killed (& millions more maimed & burned) in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, & SE Asia from U.S. militarism, what crimes did bin Laden & other al Qaeda leaders commit? They themselves didn't commit them, but rather financed, provided arms & training, moral & ideological support & so forth for terrorist acts, exactly the same as the U.S. government did/does.
are we going with a running total? maybe we should arrest the world because you're financing the murder of these people, your parents and grand parents did as well and no country isnt financing it so we're all war criminals, let's all head to The Hague for our trials
We are "financing it" at the barrel of a gun.
Try not paying taxes/resisting.
I can't believe the ends you go to to defend these mobsters.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm not saying I agree with the war plans to invade Iraq.. but normally, historically, and empirically, it takes the post war planning commission TWICE the time to plan the after war, than the war itself... Did anyone notice this giant american fallacy around the war in IRaq? Sun Tzu woulda been pissed
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
#14592768 - 06/10/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thankfully people like Pris and whoever else made thread not one-sided. Even Iraq veterans aren't gonna be the ones always right.
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SprewellSleeve said: Thankfully people like Pris and whoever else made thread not one-sided. Even Iraq veterans aren't gonna be the ones always right.
Including the ones who support the war
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: DeadHearts]
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SprewellSleeve said: Thankfully people like Pris and whoever else made thread not one-sided. Even Iraq veterans aren't gonna be the ones always right.
Including the ones who support the war 
Yes. I'm just tired of seeing America being twisted around as one of the most evil countries in the world.
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SprewellSleeve said: Thankfully people like Pris and whoever else made thread not one-sided. Even Iraq veterans aren't gonna be the ones always right.
Including the ones who support the war 
Yes. I'm just tired of seeing America being twisted around as one of the most evil countries in the world.
Come on man. You need to be asking yourself some serious questions here. Anyone who really sits down and ponders what good this country actually does for the world or even or own people now days you should be able to realize that this country is indeed one of the most "evil" in the world. Although I myself would not use the term evil.
The thing its thats ok. We have been making mistakes for a long time but we can still turn it around for the better if we just take responsibility for the past and for the future.
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But at the same time its fucking stupid. Its seems to me that we are a long way off from turning things around and Im afraid that we do not have time to be "a long way off" 
Very frustrating.
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Including the ones who support the war 
Yes. I'm just tired of seeing America being twisted around as one of the most evil countries in the world.
Come on man. You need to be asking yourself some serious questions here. Anyone who really sits down and ponders what good this country actually does for the world or even or own people now days you should be able to realize that this country is indeed one of the most "evil" in the world. Although I myself would not use the term evil.
The thing its thats ok. We have been making mistakes for a long time but we can still turn it around for the better if we just take responsibility for the past and for the future.
I don't see why people jump on America as if this world would be so much better with a different country being the most powerful. There's a lot of shit going on because of America, but it just comes off as "in" to bash it, just like it's "in" to bash Bush for the way he talks and whatever else he did as President even though obama is a moron (not saying I like Bush, I don't follow politicians much at all).
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Including the ones who support the war 
Yes. I'm just tired of seeing America being twisted around as one of the most evil countries in the world.
check your media source... Does being overweight and nuclear armed and ready to burst make America evil? How many other IGO's are involved.....
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DeadHearts said: But at the same time its fucking stupid. Its seems to me that we are a long way off from turning things around and Im afraid that we do not have time to be "a long way off" 
Very frustrating.
Hopefully people start thinking outside of a box. Enough of just two parties running things.
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The thing its thats ok. We have been making mistakes for a long time but we can still turn it around for the better if we just take responsibility for the past and for the future.
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Hey, you may be right on me needing to invest time in it. One of the turn-offs (although I'm not blaming it on this, because this isn't the majority of the reason) is there's so many lies out there that I don't want to waste so much time reading them not knowing if they are or not.
And I know the American government is corrupt, but I'm not gonna say America sucks because of the government. The fact that us knowing this and being against it (and having the freedom to let it be known) shows that the government ISN'T America. Unfortunately for a long time Americans voted in goons, hopefully that changes soon.
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And I know the American government is corrupt, but I'm not gonna say America sucks because of the government. The fact that us knowing this and being against it (and having the freedom to let it be known) shows that the government ISN'T America. Unfortunately for a long time Americans voted in goons, hopefully that changes soon.
Yes, for the most part we can thank our parents and grand parents for some some of it Im sad to say. Even most of us are part of the blame. We let the shit continue over and over again and I suppose you cannot blame the government for taking advantage. But thats why I feel talking with others about this stuff is the only to get some change going.
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DeadHearts said: Shit has to stop somewhere. Instead of funding wars and outspending all other counties on defense we should focus on the positive. There are clear and obvious problems with our way of life and government and bla blah we all know blah blah.
Other countries are no better off but damn.
great talking points, especially the blahblahblah
did you realize that your posts are superficial, there's virtually no substance to them, it's like ordering a dinner and being served a large plate with a few peas on it
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Shins]
#14593706 - 06/11/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: I can't believe the ends you go to to defend these mobsters.
I really wish you guys had some depth to your thought processes, seems that anything I say that contradicts you is defense of some other bullshit, can you show me where I have ever said we needed to be in these wars?
please, show me where I'm defending military action in the middle east
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Two_Swarm
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14593735 - 06/11/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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there's virtually no substance to them, it's like ordering a dinner and being served a large plate with a few peas on it
The bigger the plate, the larger the portion, inless you're a contortionist and know how to distribute portions and sizes of appetite. Oh come on, if only *we(h)* could see the truth.... I mena dang, add some micro-nutrients to your posts.. you need some Vitamin C and multi..
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Two_Swarm
1+1=3

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
#14593738 - 06/11/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I actually prefer carrots and broccoli for my nutes but sometimes I will fine mesh some minteral mash to produce the best ideas.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Two_Swarm]
#14593743 - 06/11/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does anybody else put ketchup or steak sauce on their vegetables? I do.
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NetDiver
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unsupported premises being used by some people in this thread:
-war was necessary to remove saddam hussein -violence is the only effective method of problem solving.
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Two_Swarm
1+1=3

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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: NetDiver]
#14593756 - 06/11/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: unsupported premises being used by some people in this thread:
-war was necessary to remove saddam hussein -violence is the only effective method of problem solving.

ZNope, America wanted a showcase after the domination of Afghanistan, we had to go own another nation... look how we won! Look at the videos of the Capital getting blown up... CHEERS. Mass profits... what else
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muddy
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Newlord]
#14593765 - 06/11/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Newlord said:
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pfxtc said:
"Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag."
"Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell 'em at K-Mart."
"He died in Korea!"
"Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea."
No one—and I repeat, no one—has ever died for a flag. See, a flag is just a piece of cloth. They may have died for freedom, which is also the freedom to burn the f*ckin' flag.
Oh wow, some guy quoting Bill Hicks in an attempt to sound intelligent. Too bad Bill Hicks was a fucking moron 
Jus cos hicks made more inteeligence than yous is no reyson to dis wot he sayd.
tyhe flag is nothing....
Nothing
NOTHING
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muddy
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: muddy]
#14593767 - 06/11/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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war is peace
enough said
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Shins
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14593770 - 06/11/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Shins said: I can't believe the ends you go to to defend these mobsters.
I really wish you guys had some depth to your thought processes, seems that anything I say that contradicts you is defense of some other bullshit, can you show me where I have ever said we needed to be in these wars?
please, show me where I'm defending military action in the middle east
I dunno, sometimes i just get the impression.
I could very well be wrong though...
listen man no hard feelings, we argue over the internet a lot but i bet you're a way different person in real life, things can get confused over the 'net.
Sorry for flaming you before and stuff, i shouldn't get all pissy on you like that and take out my "rage against the machine" on you.
You really do stimulate discussion though for sure, and that's a good thing.
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14595153 - 06/11/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychoslut
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: muddy]
#14595161 - 06/11/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The man at ten minutes tells the biggest hey fuck you pal in recorded history, FTW!
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[quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: Iraq veterans speak the truth [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14595798 - 06/11/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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DeadHearts said: Shit has to stop somewhere. Instead of funding wars and outspending all other counties on defense we should focus on the positive. There are clear and obvious problems with our way of life and government and bla blah we all know blah blah.
Other countries are no better off but damn.
great talking points, especially the blahblahblah
did you realize that your posts are superficial, there's virtually no substance to them, it's like ordering a dinner and being served a large plate with a few peas on it
How so? What I stated is true
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