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Question about green/brown mold.
    #14583123 - 06/09/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, yes I know what your all thinking, green mold...throw it out! Lol well I have with 8 jars that were obviously contaminated. However I have 4 jars that appear to be fine. I stared with 12 jars and only four that I kept just to see what happens. During the first part of mycelium growth it showed little parts that were greenish/brown. However it was very little on two of the four jars. Since it was not much I decided to let the mycelium do its thing. Sure enough the jars were covered with white fluffy goodness with no signs of bad mold. I since then have kept them in the jars in fear of unleashing the green mold in my grow room. The cakes are now starting to pin in the jars and are ready to flush a lot of shrooms. My question is...Do you think the mycelium killed the bad molds or do you think they are hiding in the cakes? If I decide to go ahead and birth the cakes and they grow with no sign of bad molds do you think it would be safe to still eat them? Normally I dont have any problems and this is my first encounter with the "dreaded green mold" Would like some feedback on to what you think or if you had a similar experience. Thanks!


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: cknugget]
    #14583200 - 06/09/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

if they pin and grow it will be safe to eat them. fraid thats the only part of your question i can answer at the moment. ps like your avatar!:goodluck:


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: shroomzi8]
    #14584118 - 06/09/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ps cubensis mycelium cannot beat trichoderma.

dont birth contaminations.

steam the jars for 90 minutes before you throw them out.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: k00laid]
    #14584677 - 06/09/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ps cubensis mycelium cannot beat trichoderma.




I agree here, but there are a few molds that healthy cubensis can beat.  Green does not always equal trichoderma, (although usually it does.)


The mold contamination in this jar was overtaken by the mycelium.  The jar was spawned then to coir, and is now fruiting in my FC (should be about ready to harvest tonight.)


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14584723 - 06/09/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

pics or it didnt happen


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14585194 - 06/09/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ps cubensis mycelium cannot beat trichoderma.




I agree here, but there are a few molds that healthy cubensis can beat.  Green does not always equal trichoderma, (although usually it does.)


The mold contamination in this jar was overtaken by the mycelium.  The jar was spawned then to coir, and is now fruiting in my FC (should be about ready to harvest tonight.)




It was not overtaken, it was covered by mycelium.  The mold is still there & the fact that you actually spawned it to bulk & the fact you're actually telling others this & saying it can be done, is quite frustrating.

Anything w/ a contam in it that's going to spore needs to be steamed for 90 or PCed @ 15 PSI for 60 minutes then tossed, IMMEDIATELY.

You're just going to screw up future grows & I bet that monotub is turning on you as I type this...


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14585498 - 06/09/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It was not overtaken, it was covered by mycelium.



This is absolutely an accurate correction.  Although the mycelium was definitely threading through the infection, it almost certainly had not killed all of it.  It is worth mentioning that I removed the infected area from the jar - I used a spoon to pull out the spawn and separated out the green bits and the areas directly around the green.  Despite my best efforts, I am confident that quite a few thousand mold spores/conidia  still made their way into the tub.

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The mold is still there & the fact that you actually spawned it to bulk & the fact you're actually telling others this & saying it can be done, is quite frustrating.



I'm sorry it's frustrating, but it can be done.  I'm not necessarily saying it SHOULD be done, but I am showing that it can.  This isn't just a fluke, either - it's not the first time I've spawned a jar with a small spot of mold infection successfully, I've been doing this a few years.  I also supplement my coir with coffee and/or manure, which should encourage infection. 

Trichoderma is always a death sentence, no matter how small an infection, and I agree that those should be PC'd and disposed of.  Same for any jar with more than a small spot of infection.

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You're just going to screw up future grows & I bet that monotub is turning on you as I type this...



(It's not a monotub, it's a small tray.)  It's always possible that it will infect, of course - but not before I harvest a modest amount from something that would have otherwise been tossed out.  A little coir and spent coffee grounds leftover from other tubs I was spawning, and the minimal time of doing a little spooning and mixing was worth that to me.  The other tubs from similar spawn from past years all flushed out to the point that they produced less than 3g's dry per harvest, and were then tossed with no visible infection.

I know I go against the grain with regard to the phobias that any and all mold contamination is a sign of impending doom to all future grows and you must eradicate every and all said jars with extreme prejudice.  It's just a matter of preference.  You can try it with the expectation that success isn't a sure thing.

If I didn't have to worry about the quality of the air I breathe in my own place, I'd grow a tub of pure trichoderma in my greenhouse, toss that out and then fruit cubensis in it the next day to prove that proper fruiting conditions are the key, not eliminating all traces of mold from a grow area.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14585513 - 06/09/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The other tubs from similar spawn from past years all flushed out to the point that they produced less than 3g's dry per harvest, and were then tossed




then i think the differing views boil down to just how we choose to use our fruiting space.

exactly like you said.

to you this was worth it.

to others it wouldnt be, id never open a jar of green before PCing it for 90 minutes :S


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: k00laid]
    #14585602 - 06/09/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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exactly like you said.

to you this was worth it.

to others it wouldnt be, id never open a jar of green before PCing it for 90 minutes :S




:thumbup:

The only thing I'd mention here is that 90 minutes of PCing is way more than necessary.  30 minutes at 15PSI is more than enough to kill all the mycelium, and any trace of mold and mold spores in the jar.  The only thing that would survive would be bacterial endospores, but those should have been killed off by the first PC run and aren't much of a concern.

Another one of those preference things, though.  Nothing wrong with overkill.

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EDIT: Thermophilic organisms would still survive, but again - not much of a concern.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14585613 - 06/09/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

thats what they say isnt it

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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: cknugget]
    #14651760 - 06/21/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, I appreciate the feedback. However Im pretty stubborn so I got materials for a small fc, I went ahead and birthed the 4 cakes I was talking about sure enough they are starting to pin and grow. I am keeping these far away from any of my other jars and grow room. I took a few pics and want you all to take a look at them and tell me if you think they will be safe to eat. Thanks in advance.                                                                                                                                                                   


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: cknugget]
    #14652636 - 06/22/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Those look just fine.  You can tell there is almost certainly an infection in that last picture.  Yes - as long as the caps/stems aren't slimy and they don't have any mold growing on the fruits directly, they'll be safe.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14655781 - 06/22/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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so howd your green jar turn out bro?


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14656258 - 06/22/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Those look just fine.  You can tell there is almost certainly an infection in that last picture.  Yes - as long as the caps/stems aren't slimy and they don't have any mold growing on the fruits directly, they'll be safe.





id agree, the last pictures loioks like theres alot of metobolites being produced, which is a sign its fighting something


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14658355 - 06/23/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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so howd your green jar turn out bro?




I made the sub too 'hot' (too much chicken manure), so it didn't perform as well as it should have, but it's just about all flushed out now and almost ready to move out of the GH.  I snapped pics, but forgot to upload them.  Will grab them off the cam tonight, and grab a couple updated ones as well.  I ended up with a tad under over a dry ounce from it.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14661256 - 06/23/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Here we are....



The 9th, when we first talked about it


The 10th


Today, alongside other grows


Today

It flushed several times over the weeks from then until now... total just under an ounce.


Currently in dehyrator... various stages of dryness.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14661499 - 06/23/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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It flushed several times over the weeks/quote]

well if thats all your after :thumbup:


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: cknugget]
    #14663241 - 06/24/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Good pics man! Considering all that went into saving them pretty good yield to me. Here is a few more pics I took today. Still not many but getting there. I will have to see how they look by harvest time if I will risk eating them or not.                                                                                                                                                                               


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    #14664093 - 06/24/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Those all look perfectly fine to me.


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Re: Question about green/brown mold. [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14664185 - 06/24/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My thoughts exactly but like I said before this is my first encounter with any kind of molds so I dont know what to expect. Have 6 more healthy jars that will get birthed this weekend.


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