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Dosile Kouki
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apparently its real painful having to jab yourself in the ass
no homo
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phantomstranger
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straight test e 500 mg a week.
the shots in the ass hurt way less than the thighs imo.
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LayinUp
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my buddy swears by some shit called halotest25, but i'm still bigger than he is.
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phantomstranger
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: LayinUp]
#14582418 - 06/08/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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LayinUp said: my buddy swears by some shit called halotest25, but i'm still bigger than he is.
prohormones are shit
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Eminence



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I know I didn't hit my genetic limit when I started. It would've been a better idea to wait, but I'm kind of impatient. But I'm definitely not lazy.
But no, really the reason muscles gained from steroids will go away quicker is just because of hormonal imbalances, testosterone increases nitrogen retention, which lets your muscles use more protein, if your PCT isn't spot on, and you don't get your hormones in check the right way, you'll have an estrogen rebound and that can cause catabolism.
Also cortisol rebounds will kill gains too.
As long as you have a good PCT that brings you back to normal hormone wise, you can keep the muscle just as easily as with natural muscle, assuming you continue training and eating properly.
The muscles you gain from steroids aren't earned any differently than muscles gained naturally. It's still the same process, just a giant boost.
But a lot of people do lose their muscle faster over time just because they could've had a better PCT.
But, if you're taking steroids AFTER you hit your genetic limit, you will definitely shrink back down to you genetic limit pretty quickly, that's why body builders are on the stuff the majority of the year.
But there was some study somewhere that was saying if you were to use them enough, after you've passed your limit, they can permanently stretch out your muscle cells, increasing your genetic limit. Although it'd be easier to just do that with HGH.
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: Eminence]
#14582463 - 06/08/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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frylock91 said: Certain steroids are known to not give you gyno, others are notorious for giving you crazy gyno. But you just take some ancillaries to prevent it.
I've already done them before and every cycle worked fine, but you can add way more than 20 lbs to a lift lol.
I mean Idc that she doesn't like them, I was more irritated at the "I'd look down on you" part of it.
But I think Arnold was in an awkward position, he's governor, he's gonna have some pressure on him to talk negatively about them. Before he was governor he was talking about how safe they were.
Do you feel you have reached a plateau in your lifting? Ever consider getting as far as you can without them before using them?
"I'd look down on you" - that is definitely some bs
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Eminence



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You have the ancillaries needed? It would suck to come up with some sides and not have anything on hand.
With long esters like enanthate, if you get sides, they'll take longer to go away obviously.
If you don't already have it, you should really look into getting some HCG.
If you take it on cycle it'll make your PCT go so much smoother.
And I'm assuming you're taking enanthate to minimize shots. With HCG you'd use an insulin needle, which wouldn't hurt at all, you could easily deal with an everyday shot of HCG.
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Mush 4 Brains
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whoops, i didnt notice you just addressed that
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Eminence



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Yeah I hit a bit of a plateau, but definitely not my genetic limit though.
But yeah I was surprised she said that, she's pretty tolerable of everything else.
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Dosile Kouki
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: Eminence]
#14582503 - 06/08/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i don't know the specifics of all the substances and pct routines and whatnot etc and hormonal balances that you do, but the fact of the matter is about 90% of people dont maintain the physique. steroids are a facade. its not going to last, because once you stop working out, and you will, whether by loss of interest or injury, you will lose your gains. look at arnold schwarznegger now.
in my opinion steroids are not really worth it. i don't think the gorilla look is very good anyway, i think a person who is well toned and visibly strong is good enough, instead of being a waddling goliath who can't walk and move properly.
but thats my 2c, im anti-steroid. its your body your choice. you seem to have done your research and know what your on about so there shouldn't be any worries for you really.
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: Eminence]
#14582518 - 06/08/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know people that have done short cycles with them....if you only do it a few times and keep working out they can be awesome but if you stop working out you'll lose all the shit you gained you will still lose some after you stop but they can be a great booster. Long term steroid use can fuck you up in many many ways as u alrdy kno
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phantomstranger
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: Eminence]
#14582523 - 06/08/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I haven't hit my natural limit yet either it was impatience plus one of my friends hooked me up with a couple bottles so I said why not.
I'm about 6' 180lbs, a week and a half into my cycle. If i can hit 200 I'll be pretty fuckin stoked. For just test I shouldnt need too much but I have clomid and nolvadex on hand for pct and adex I'll probably start taking in a low dose in a few weeks.
I don't have any problems with steroid use obviously but it's still not something I would just tell anyone bc you'll get a bad rep for it. Even though tons of people use them, you can look around the gym and already know that a lot of these guys especially the bigger ones have used them at some point.
The only problem I have is these 18-19 year old kids that are juicing thinking they are gonna get huge when they have no business doing it. It's some serious shit, I should think you have to have been working out for a few years solid to know the work and commitment required before you go and start injecting yourself or worse taking prohormones with no knowledge of pct and fucking yourself up.
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thodub

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I'm pretty sure your nuts shrink a little if they shrink a lot then there is a problem my friends said their nut sack shrank
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Eminence



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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: thodub]
#14582557 - 06/08/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah but you'll lose your muscle whether you got them with roids or not, I'm not sure if you're specifying about roids but I got the process down though so I know how to keep the gains just as easily as with natural gains.
But yeah if you don't use HCG on cycle your nuts will definitely shrink, then you're gonna have to take more drugs after you stop than you would've with HCG to get your boys back to normal.
If your friends balls are still shrunken right now then that's bad, hopefully you mean they only shrank only when he did the cycle.
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phantomstranger
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: thodub]
#14582559 - 06/08/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thodub said: I'm pretty sure your nuts shrink a little if they shrink a lot then there is a problem my friends said their nut sack shrank
Your balls shrink because there is an overabundance of testosterone in your system so your balls will stop producing it to help balance it out. After you're done your body will start producing testosterone again and your balls will go back to their regular size.
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Eminence



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Yeah you'll definitely get up to 200, the only thing is don't get so stoked you forget that some is water weight. I'm assuming since you're using enanthate you're gonna be on this cycle for at least 6 weeks right?
6 is still too short for a long ester like that, but if it's your first I bet you can gain at least 20 pounds all muscle.
Idk how much you know about roids but just in case, go easy on the clomid though, technically you don't even need clomid for PCT. Nolva is good enough.
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phantomstranger said:
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thodub said: I'm pretty sure your nuts shrink a little if they shrink a lot then there is a problem my friends said their nut sack shrank
Your balls shrink because there is an overabundance of testosterone in your system so your balls will stop producing it to help balance it out. After you're done your body will start producing testosterone again and your balls will go back to their regular size.
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: Eminence]
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I'm not an expert by any means but I've researched enough to where I think I can be pretty responsible. If it turns out I don't need the clomid that would be great bc I heard the sides can be pretty bad. I'm planning for 10 weeks since that's how long my gear will last but we'll see how it goes.
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Eminence



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Well good luck. I bet you'll use again. 
Eventually you should try Tren though. I praise that stuff to everyone.
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Re: Views on Anabolic Steroids [Re: frostz]
#14582687 - 06/08/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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frostz said: roids aren't worth it. your penis will shrink.
not if you inject the roids into ur dick n do dick push ups. imagine... ur snake would be massive!
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