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trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's)
    #14578194 - 06/08/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had a really powerful trip in april.
It left me shook. I still think back to the trip every day. Trying to understand what I was feeling and how it developed and continued. Trying to understand what my mind felt.

Now I wonder if the experience was me going crazy, or really a profound experience, should I take it at face value or consider it deep?

Cause even the moments where it felt extremely profound and really third eye opening, when I take a look at those moments out of context, I can really say I was just fucked up.. I can say I was just loopy on shrooms. Does anyone else feel this?  Like theres this underlying thought, that its all just your mind fucked up?

I had these deep moments like “its all just an experience, life and the journey.” Trippy quotes and stuff. And I remember thinking I should tell my family, and teachers and friends how great shrooms are. But i think about it now, I was spewing shit I believed then, but seem like fucked up garble.

I had one serious question here too:

During my experience, I felt like I was being attacked with a mindfuck, like I was getting heavy shifts in my perception. It would shift every few seconds, like I was stuck in a mind loop, getting higher without knowing what was occurring..
one two three, HEAVY SHIFT, one two three, HEAVY HIGHER SHIFT.

I kept asking “when will I come down?” I wasn’t fighting the experience, just feeling incredibly overwhelmed and attacked by it! The serene moment came towards the end. Does anyone else feel like the experience isn’t soothing? Isn’t peaceful? Isn’t serene? But instead a huge fucking mind fuck attack perception ass-blast?

i find myself thinking if i want to experience that again.
i do.

thanks for anyone who replies with some insight.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: cheo]
    #14578218 - 06/08/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: cheo]
    #14578294 - 06/08/11 04:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds pretty normal to me.  It is good to get dragged out of your comfort zone.  Call it mind fucked if you like but snapping out of the normal thinking pattern is valuable.  Continue to digest the experience.  Trash it, incorporate it, think about it.  The main point being different things to think about.

SO often we hear about people talking about thought loops while tripping but not considering the thought loops we are stuck in when not tripping.

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: farmer88] * 1
    #14578533 - 06/08/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It sounds like you took a large dose of a powerful mind altering drug.

What did you expect?

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: Subconscious]
    #14578654 - 06/08/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That usually only happens in the beginning and the peak, it happens to me.

Its part of the process, look at it to practice controlling your emotions.  If you feel scared, focus only on positive thoughts.  If your mind is racing try and focus it on something.

These mind altering substances take some getting use too.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14578700 - 06/08/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think everyone exerpeince is different, yet have some of the same elements

Tripping alone without a guide, you have to be able to recognize thoughts which are heading you into trouble or loops... That is when you need a change... Go somewhere different, change the movie, change the music, go outside, move your mental stimulation from point A to point D, where B was the loop that kept you going back to A. One great reason to be outside, always something new to focus on...

Mushrooms at higher doses are strong medicine. Really, they are suppose to show you something, but only if you are open to it. I can appreciate the not fighting it, but it's even more to being prepared... The Set of Set and Setting. I hear some folks just talk about the 'high' aspect of the experience, and it makes me think they got what they wanted, but did not want much... I always suggest not have expectations, but nice to have something you have in mind as a goal. Like, ' I want to know who I am right now in my life.'

I don't think any of your thought were 'Trippy crap', but honest thoughts you were having without filters. Which now you have and are judging with...

You might need to trip again, just to figure out your last one...

Perhaps, your lesson was to just work on understanding the experience.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: HarryL]
    #14580090 - 06/08/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HarryL said:

Mushrooms at higher doses are strong medicine. Really, they are suppose to show you something, but only if you are open to it. I can appreciate the not fighting it, but it's even more to being prepared... The Set of Set and Setting. I hear some folks just talk about the 'high' aspect of the experience, and it makes me think they got what they wanted, but did not want much... I always suggest not have expectations, but nice to have something you have in mind as a goal. Like, ' I want to know who I am right now in my life.'

I don't think any of your thought were 'Trippy crap', but honest thoughts you were having without filters. Which now you have and are judging with...

You might need to trip again, just to figure out your last one...

Perhaps, your lesson was to just work on understanding the experience.




this is exactly what i think is happening now.
and kind of the plan i was going with. i didnt trip alone, but definitely not with an experienced person. someone who has tripped on shrooms and acid, but says theyve been either scared shitless or completely forgot the experience.

so i was having this deep "unfiltered" consciousness without any real control over any of it, i thought i had gone into it with some form of meditation, but when it began i forgot what to do.

i appreciate all the other comments. i definitely feel like i took too much. it was like a little more than an eight i think, and previously i had only tried like a half twice. both times mostly stem and shake.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: cheo]
    #14580162 - 06/08/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Shrooms often reset my course to enlightenment.

If I was already on the course, than the trip is usually amazing and fun filled.

If I just thought I was on the right path, shrooms knock sense into me, which can be very unpleasant as you know.

I have never had a "bad" trip, although I have had uncomfortable ones.
Contemplating doing some LSD tonight but gah my parents are home and I have no friends I like to trip with...

Sounds very religious and weird but ask Jesus to help you, or Buddha, or just god/source/creator, but you have to ask honestly and believe that this entity hears you and loves you.

Again I am not part of any religion but know what I am talking about lol

Edited by Smawrpg (06/08/11 02:47 PM)

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: Smawrpg] * 1
    #14580207 - 06/08/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Stop trying to understand. Accept and let go.

The brain is a machine that produces thoughts to solve puzzles just like the hands are a machine to move objects around.

Whenever you take psychedelic drugs, your mind works differently. Your thoughts flow faster, or slower, or trippier, or just plain batshit crazy most of the time. While yes, you can gain some insights and learn different things about you and your world about you, you also need to learn to just let go of things you don't understand.

Brooding over something hardly solves anything. If you don't find the answer, let it go and hope that the answer will make itself evident as you get older. Sitting in your head going "why was I feeling that? what should I do? herpa derp derp herp?" isn't going to do anything but turn you into a spun out mad man.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: HarryL]
    #14580252 - 06/08/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HarryL said:
Mushrooms at higher doses are strong medicine. Really, they are suppose to show you something, but only if you are open to it. I can appreciate the not fighting it, but it's even more to being prepared... The Set of Set and Setting. I hear some folks just talk about the 'high' aspect of the experience, and it makes me think they got what they wanted, but did not want much... I always suggest not have expectations, but nice to have something you have in mind as a goal. Like, ' I want to know who I am right now in my life.'

I don't think any of your thought were 'Trippy crap', but honest thoughts you were having without filters. Which now you have and are judging with...

You might need to trip again, just to figure out your last one...

Perhaps, your lesson was to just work on understanding the experience.




I disagree... mushrooms aren't "supposed" to show you anything.

Mushrooms simply alter your perspective and change your thought processes. They can indeed help allow you to have very profound thoughts and realizations. But I don't really buy into all the mystical bullshit or the idea that psychedelics are the easy ticket to some "higher truth", it's merely another experience in life and one I believe should be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm not trying to say they can't be useful and help you discover some things about the yourself and the world, but I think there's a line a lot of people cross into delusion from buying too much into their psychedelic experiences.

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: Smawrpg]
    #14580267 - 06/08/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but I think there's a line a lot of people cross into delusion from buying too much into their psychedelic experiences.




Not trying to offend you, but... case and point...

Quote:

Smawrpg said:

Sounds very religious and weird but ask Jesus to help you, or Buddha, or just god/source/creator, but you have to ask honestly and believe that this entity hears you and loves you.

Again I am not part of any religion but know what I am talking about lol



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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: Subconscious]
    #14580279 - 06/08/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well herein the problem lies:

people on here take it real serious when they experience something so profound, really read into it because its a big eye opener.


but should everyone really take their experience at face value and just assume that it was all just their mind going insane for a bit of fun? and maybe just a tad of insight?

should we then just let every experience go and wait for the next trip?
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Quote:

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Mushrooms at higher doses are strong medicine. Really, they are suppose to show you something, but only if you are open to it. I can appreciate the not fighting it, but it's even more to being prepared... The Set of Set and Setting. I hear some folks just talk about the 'high' aspect of the experience, and it makes me think they got what they wanted, but did not want much... I always suggest not have expectations, but nice to have something you have in mind as a goal. Like, ' I want to know who I am right now in my life.'

I don't think any of your thought were 'Trippy crap', but honest thoughts you were having without filters. Which now you have and are judging with...

You might need to trip again, just to figure out your last one...

Perhaps, your lesson was to just work on understanding the experience.




I disagree... mushrooms aren't "supposed" to show you anything.

Mushrooms simply alter your perspective and change your thought processes. They can indeed help allow you to have very profound thoughts and realizations. But I don't really buy into all the mystical bullshit or the idea that psychedelics are the easy ticket to some "higher truth", it's merely another experience in life and one I believe should be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm not trying to say they can't be useful and help you discover some things about the yourself and the world, but I think there's a line a lot of people cross into delusion from buying too much into their psychedelic experiences.




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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: cheo]
    #14580282 - 06/08/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i guess my question was answered there


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: cheo]
    #14580314 - 06/08/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Part of the experience occurs in some abstract form that isn't verbal.  I think what you experience is the widening of your range of experience and the sensation that goes along with it is new and as such it doesn't lend itself well to language. 

Since we use human language in pretty much everything we do, we tend to believe it's better than it is.  It's amazing, but look at how hard it is to convey things like nuances from one language to another.  I think the psychedelic experience is like that, but it's completely new so you don't even have a rough idea of how to describe and translate it.

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: dzza]
    #14580397 - 06/08/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sounds to me like you experienced the best feeling in the world.

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: harryboy300]
    #14580898 - 06/08/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey subc

Everyone has their opinion... Like I said, people get out of it what they want...

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: HarryL]
    #14581393 - 06/08/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

These things are just making your mind work differently for a while.  They aren't imparting any knowledge on you; they're only allowing you to access bits of your own brain you may not have had access to without them.  The understanding has to come from you, just as everything else about the experience did.

Seems like you were a bit overwhelmed and rejected the mind change to some extent.  I know I've done it before when dosing too high.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: mundane]
    #14581677 - 06/08/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Regardless of how you feel you'll feel better if you just accept and let go. If you're having fun, live in the fun. If your trip is turning sour, then block your mind and run somewhere new, or steel yourself over until the bad part subsides. Every trip has every emotion in it. The only thing you can do is either man against the :shitstorm: or just stay in reality.


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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: Subconscious]
    #14598122 - 06/11/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Subconscious said:
Quote:

Subconscious said:
but I think there's a line a lot of people cross into delusion from buying too much into their psychedelic experiences.




Not trying to offend you, but... case and point...

Quote:

Smawrpg said:

Sounds very religious and weird but ask Jesus to help you, or Buddha, or just god/source/creator, but you have to ask honestly and believe that this entity hears you and loves you.

Again I am not part of any religion but know what I am talking about lol







none taken, believe what you want to believe.

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Re: trying to understand the experience (thoughts and q's) [Re: Smawrpg]
    #14599500 - 06/12/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Overwhelming is a good word to describe a high does shroom trip. Better than scary I think. But yes, higher does trips are quite overwhelming when you do not know what to expect. Don't get to lost in your thoughts about it. Accept the experience and move on.


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