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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
    #14580517 - 06/08/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I am not avoiding it. I don't know if I know the answer to your question, which was, "Do I know the answer to my own question" which you said that I did not, and that you knew that. When I asked "How?" You claimed it was because I would not answer your question.

And to answer my own question, I do not know if I know anything, and I don't know that, or that or that, or that, or that, or that...

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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #14580724 - 06/08/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One thing I believe to know through my experiences is that this type of conversation gets irrelevant quickly without articulation.  Experience (yours or mine or ours) and its communication in any number of media are the only means we have to know anything.  So in turn everything we think we know is subjective to ourselves and our shortcomings.

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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14581041 - 06/08/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

mushiepussy said:
"Suppose every important thing i've been taught in my life to this point has been innacurate and unreliable.. what then?"





Then you would have a change in your perception, I guess

.......otherwise how would you know that every important thing you have been taught was inaccurate and unreliable without contrary evidence?


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
    #14581120 - 06/08/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Now its clear.

I do not know if I know if I know if I know if I know (ad infinitum) anything, and I don't know that, or that, or that, or that (ad infinitum).

I dig it.

However, is this just a construct of language (confusing the map for the territory)? Or does it reveal something about reality?

I prefer to say maybe. :grin:

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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
    #14581978 - 06/08/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
And to answer my own question, I do not know if I know anything, and I don't know that, or that or that, or that, or that, or that...




How can you truthfully state any of these if you can't define what 'know' means?  :cuckoo:


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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
    #14581979 - 06/08/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"However, is this just a construct of language (confusing the map for the territory)?"

It is the humble admission that one's ideas are not triumphant over the change and uncertainty that pervades the world in which we live in. Although there is no reason to ignoring regularities, there is equally no reason to think them more than they are and hold them high and above other experiences.

"Or does it reveal something about reality?"

Well if we came up with something to say to answer this would we know it?

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