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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14603613 - 06/12/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

fuck pf tek to much work takes up more space better yields per oz of sub yes but they take more tlc then say a mono tub :2cents:


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #14606773 - 06/13/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Alright so one more question :tongue:

Why is it that people never case their grain spawn jars with verm to get the protective barrier that they do on BRF cakes. I never see that in any grain guide, yet I see that it's mandatory in nearly every BRF PF tek guide. It seems like it wouldn't do anything but help protect against contams like in the normal PF tek. You're spawning to bulk sub containing verm anyway so I just don't see the harm.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: pickeroo]
    #14606811 - 06/13/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You need to shake grains rather often. If you would put a verm layer on top of it, which is supposed to protect against contams and shake your jar after a while you will have some nice mold spores in your grain. :ooo:


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #14606875 - 06/13/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So if I don't shake my grains, which would make for a longer colonization time, I can keep the verm barrier in a PF style spawn jar? Might just do that, seems like less work, less stressful, and less likely to contam. I'm in no hurry.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: pickeroo]
    #14606877 - 06/13/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Alright so one more question :tongue:

Why is it that people never case their grain spawn jars with verm to get the protective barrier that they do on BRF cakes. I never see that in any grain guide, yet I see that it's mandatory in nearly every BRF PF tek guide. It seems like it wouldn't do anything but help protect against contams like in the normal PF tek. You're spawning to bulk sub containing verm anyway so I just don't see the harm.




Grains are in a completely sealed jar w/ a Synthetic filter disk (or equal) on the lid for GE. There's no air from your room entering when it's colonizing, so shaking is OK.

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You need to shake grains rather often. If you would put a verm layer on top of it, which is supposed to protect against contams and shake your jar after a while you will have some nice mold spores in your grain. :ooo:




You shake grain jars twice. Once @ 30% & once right before spawning to bulk. Not "often" at all, really.
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So if I don't shake my grains, which would make for a longer colonization time, I can keep the verm barrier in a PF style spawn jar? Might just do that, seems like less work, less stressful, and less likely to contam. I'm in no hurry.




You need a PC for grains. Make proper lids for PF tek & for grain jars.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14606972 - 06/13/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, depends on your definition of often. :tongue:
You are right though.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #14607073 - 06/13/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

As TL said shaking grains is a whole different ball park and shaking them is what makes grains FASTER than PF tek. You shake a 30-40% to redistribute the colonized grain all through your jar and mixing like that means it colonizes with all those spots that its mixed into cutting your colonization time in about half.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: babz89]
    #14607112 - 06/13/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What I meant is: If you shake a g jar at 30% and dry verm is your only contamination barrier, it will certainly contaminate because you will also distribute any mold spores that might have landed on the verm.
If you are using SFDs in addition, the verm is just pointless.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #14607176 - 06/13/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You wouldn't be shaking a jar with a verm barrier as TL said. Verm barrier is PF tek NO SHAKING. Grain spawn has an SFD no verm barrier period.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: babz89]
    #14607669 - 06/13/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If I were to use half a syringe of spores, how long is the other half going to remain viable and contam free (assuming it was contam free to begin with)? Also how should I store it?


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: pickeroo]
    #14608219 - 06/13/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

in a fridge 1-3 years.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14608622 - 06/13/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Oh shit, seriously? Do I just take it out, flame sterilize, shake, and I'm good to inject?


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: pickeroo]
    #14608642 - 06/13/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you should let it reach room temperature, but yes. Assuming you flame sterilized before capping the syringe.


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Re: Startup costs, troubles, and methods [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14610739 - 06/14/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, you dont want to keep the verm barrier. For one, no shaking. Then your looking at a VERY long colonization. Months? If ever? You have a filter on top for a reason. I put two layers of tyvek, one under the lid and one one top. One on top is all you need, but the one under keeps grains from getting stuck to the lid, which makes for a cleaner lid and Less contamination risk if you have jagged points where your holes are (grains get jabbed into them)

Dont mix teks! Always stick with one. If you want to improve, do it after youve done the teks as is.


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