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It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People
    #14579819 - 06/08/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I was thinking of this last night, Obama pretty much lied to the whole country on many occasions.

A good example is Obama saying he won't "use Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue." (medical marijuana)

We all know this was a complete lie, recent threats to Washington state stopped a bill that would have legalized medical marijuana dispensaries. This bill would have easily passed if it wasn't for these threats, the Governor admitted this.

Let me hear your input, should the President be allowed to lie to the People?


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14579824 - 06/08/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Politicians lie 24/7.

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But no one ever holds them accountable.
Its a circle of lies, that has no end.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14579825 - 06/08/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

President runs the justice department?  nice.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: memes] * 1
    #14579839 - 06/08/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: memes]
    #14579854 - 06/08/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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President runs the justice department?  nice.



If he doesn't have control over the DOJ then why even say he wont "use Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws"?


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: memes]
    #14579859 - 06/08/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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President runs the justice department?  nice.





Yea dawg he runs the legislation departments to, you know.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: Tangerines]
    #14579985 - 06/08/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You're trying to limit free speech you're saying RP?  What I read was "I'm gullible and fall for lies."


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #14579991 - 06/08/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Truth is treason in the empire of lies.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14579994 - 06/08/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It will never change with a two party system both parties are way :picard: to get anything done.

I vote nearly every election and still haven't voted for anyone who has won. I believe in democracy but this is not it.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: PreparationH]
    #14580434 - 06/08/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You're trying to limit free speech you're saying RP?  What I read was "I'm gullible and fall for lies."



I'm not trying to limit free speech at all... The President can say whatever they want, but should be held accountable for blatantly lying to the people. That has nothing to do with free speech whatsoever.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14580437 - 06/08/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Why?


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #14580499 - 06/08/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I like the idea from that movie "eagle eye". Granted the movie itself blew, but the concept of breaking down the gov to build it back up again is what will need to happen in order to fix our country


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #14580584 - 06/08/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Why?



You have the right to free speech in america, but you are responsible for the shit you say that can harm others. I would have to say a president lieing would hurt a lot of people.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: Kada]
    #14580589 - 06/08/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, they should not lie but they have the right to lie.  Don't elect liars.





"don't elect liars." That even makes me :lol:


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: Kada]
    #14580601 - 06/08/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Why?



You have the right to free speech in america, but you are responsible for the shit you say that can harm others. I would have to say a president lying would hurt a lot of people.



Very well said. :thumbup:


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: PreparationH]
    #14580609 - 06/08/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There is no way to regulate the honesty of politicians. If a law were to be passed outlawing lies and disinformation, they'd just be ignored, and politicians, including the President of the United States would continue to lie just as people continue to smoke marijuana.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865]
    #14580629 - 06/08/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I was thinking of this last night, Obama pretty much lied to the whole country on many occasions.

A good example is Obama saying he won't "use Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue." (medical marijuana)






but it's not a lie, he will use justice department resources to enforce
federal laws, of which, marijuana is still illegal on the federal level

anyone understand why I say repeal needs to start at the federal level


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14580719 - 06/08/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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but it's not a lie, he will use justice department resources to enforce
federal laws, of which, marijuana is still illegal on the federal level




Threatening States into not passing a law that would have otherwise passed is "circumventing state laws".


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anyone understand why I say repeal needs to start at the federal level



I understand and strongly agree :thumbup:

It would definitely take a lot of pressure off the states and make things a lot easier. That, however, is unlikely to happen anytime soon.


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Re: It should be ILLEGAL for the President to Lie to the People [Re: DrGreenThumb865] * 1
    #14580748 - 06/08/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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but it's not a lie, he will use justice department resources to enforce
federal laws, of which, marijuana is still illegal on the federal level




Threatening States into not passing a law that would have otherwise passed is "circumventing state laws".




not in the eyes of the feds, if it's not a law yet it then there's nothing
to circumvent and the office of the president has had a long history of
using threats and bribes to prevent the states from passing laws,
Washington State didnt have to listen to him


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anyone understand why I say repeal needs to start at the federal level



I understand and strongly agree :thumbup:

It would definitely take a lot of pressure off the states and make things a lot easier. That, however, is unlikely to happen anytime soon.




the quicker people start the faster it will happen, in the mean time the
feds will bust more and more as will states and this will cause them to
lose their right to vote... possession of an oz or more in most states and
you have that felony that fucks you... if the potheads still able to vote
get out and vote and as I said in the last election, dont take the
pressure off the officials, keep pushing


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