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Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs'
#14579727 - 06/08/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' Under new laws being drawn up addicts would be forced into treatment or jailed, and dealers 'treated like serial killers'

Boris Gryzlov with Vladimir Putin in 2007. Gryzlov says the scale of the country's drug problem 'threatens Russia's gene pool'
Drug dealers are to be "treated like serial killers" and could be sent to forced labour camps under harsh laws being drawn up by Russia's Kremlin-controlled parliament.
Boris Gryzlov, the speaker of the state duma, the lower house, said a "total war on drugs" was needed to stem a soaring abuse rate driven by the flow of Afghan heroin through central Asia to Europe.
Russia has as many as 6 million addicts (one in 25 people). Every year 100,000 people die from using drugs, Gryzlov said in a newspaper. The scale of the problem "threatens Russia's gene pool", he said. "We are standing on the edge of a precipice. Either we squash drug addiction or it will destroy us."
This year, President Dmitry Medvedev said drug abuse was cutting up to three percentage points off economic growth.
Injecting drug use is also accelerating Russia's Aids crisis because – unlike most other European countries – methadone treatment is banned and needle exchange programmes are scarce, meaning the virus spreads quickly from addict to addict via dirty syringes. An estimated one in 100 Russians are HIV positive.
Under legislation promoted by the ruling United Russia party and now being reviewed in parliament, drug addicts will be forced into treatment or jailed, and dealers will be handed heftier custodial sentences. "The barons of narco-business must be put on a par with serial killers with the appropriate punishment in the form of a life sentence," said Gryzlov, who is chairman of the party.
Activists criticised the idea of putting addicts behind bars, pointing to a growing worldwide consensus that treating drug users as criminals has failed as a strategy.
The Global Commission on Drugs Policy said in a report last week that there needed to be a shift away from criminalising drugs and incarcerating those who use them. Gryzlov, however, claimed that "criminal responsibility for the use of narcotics is a powerful preventative measure".
Special punishments should also be considered for dealers, he added: "Sending drug traders to a katorga [forced labour camp], for example. Felling timber, laying rails and constructing mines – that's very different from sitting in a personal cell with a television and a fridge while you keep up your 'business' on the outside."
While it remains unclear how many of the measures will become law, other leading members of United Russia – which is headed by Vladimir Putin, the prime minister, and which dominates the duma – said they supported the initiative.
The plans follow an admission by Medvedev in April that Russia's fight against drug addiction had failed. He called for radical measures such as mandatory drug tests in schools.
Possession of small quantities of psychotropic substances in Russia carries an administrative fine of up to 15,000 roubles (£330), but Gryzlov indicated it would now result in a jail term. The state should offer narkomany – addicts – a stark choice, he said: "Prison or forced treatment."
That could be a bleak prospect. Some of Russia's detox clinics still use "coding", a controversial therapy in which patients are scared into thinking terrible consequences (such as their testicles falling off) will result if they mix drugs with medicines which are actually placebos.
Several activists condemned Gryzlov's suggestion to "isolate" drug users from society.
"Sending more people to prison will not reduce drug addiction or improve public health," said Anya Sarang, president of the Andrey Rylkov Foundation, an advocacy group for people with HIV which works with injecting drug users (IDUs). "Russian prisons are terrible places full of HIV, tuberculosis and other diseases. Drugs are often even more accessible there than anywhere else."
She added: "What we need instead of this harsh drug control rhetoric is greater emphasis on rehabilitation, substitution treatment, case management for drug users and protection from HIV."
HIV prevalence among IDUs in western countries is 1 or 2%, but lack of outreach work and the absence of opiate substitution (methadone) and other "harm reduction" measures mean the figure is 16% in Russia – rising to 60% in hotspots such as St Petersburg.
Denis Broun, the Moscow-based director of UNAIDS for Europe and central Asia, told the Guardian that Gryzlov's proposals could make matters even worse.
"It has been widely shown that criminalising people using drugs simply drives them underground and makes them much harder to reach with preventative measures," he said. "This is not an effective strategy for fighting HIV. Purely repressive measures do not work."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/08/russia-total-war-on-drugs
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: aj123]
#14579735 - 06/08/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now I have a reason to say fuck Russia
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: aj123]
#14579767 - 06/08/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is coffee banned?
How about spinning in a circle?
Fuck it, clock work orange style mind control the people will fuck you. Dumb elite controllers of greed, u never learn.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: nice1]
#14579788 - 06/08/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You guys should realize that Russia is run by old KGB guys and the ultra rich. The top 100 richest in that country have more money than the GDP of that country. So who do you think runs it? Many of these same people have russian mafia/cartel ties and I imagine the are going to use this as an instrument to drive prices up of illegal goods so they can end up making more from their end.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: doeboy99]
#14579810 - 06/08/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The whole western world is also under that paradigm. Middle class is become obsolete. Almost evolving into 2 different species. The parasites and the workers.
Rich V Poor. Ever growing divide in humanity now. Whole world adopted economic slavery system via money instead of force.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: doeboy99]
#14579831 - 06/08/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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doeboy99 said: Many of these same people have russian mafia/cartel ties and I imagine the are going to use this as an instrument to drive prices up of illegal goods so they can end up making more from their end.
interesting theory...
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: doeboy99]
#14579863 - 06/08/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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In mother Russia ze heroin it shoot you.
Seriously though this is not rly very surprising. 1984 was a book about Russia in 2011
"naw bro its cool, we'll just spend more money on the drug war. spends everyones money to make more money".
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: utk]
#14579869 - 06/08/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because a total war on drugs has DEFINITELY worked in the past for other countries.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: aj123]
#14579931 - 06/08/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Drink up Russia! Legality and illegality, not that it mattered in Stalins time. But with the world press they can be justified in this.
Russia is corrupt as shit. What a stupid government and the same idealogical bullshit that has no place in in this world, and I thought was dying a slow death.
A phoenix rising from the ashes. I also hate Russia's government from now till they change but the Russian people that i have met are fucking awesome.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: timelapses]
#14580005 - 06/08/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: FleshCap]
#14580008 - 06/08/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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FleshCap said:
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doeboy99 said: Many of these same people have russian mafia/cartel ties and I imagine the are going to use this as an instrument to drive prices up of illegal goods so they can end up making more from their end.
interesting theory...
Yup, very.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: aj123] 1
#14580444 - 06/08/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can see America following these steps to control addicts. Some of the drug abuse books that I'm studying in college has talked about congress having plans to do this exact same thing with America. I'm not saying this will happen but congress has laws like these on the table pretty regular. It might not happen to us any time soon but if we keep letting the government control us more and more it may soon pass. That's why it's important to make sure we spread the great news of Ron Paul to ensure our freedom.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: gamer4life]
#14580467 - 06/08/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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gamer4life said: I can see America following these steps to control addicts. Some of the drug abuse books that I'm studying in college has talked about congress having plans to do this exact same thing with America. I'm not saying this will happen but congress has laws like these on the table pretty regular. It might not happen to us any time soon but if we keep letting the government control us more and more it may soon pass. That's why it's important to make sure we spread the great news of Ron Paul to ensure our freedom.
Remember vote for RON PAUL 2012
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: ukshroomer]
#14580741 - 06/08/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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china still executes people
hell in russia goin to prison for stealing a loaf of bread meant plague and death
the world sucks
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: Konyap]
#14580853 - 06/08/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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deaths in one year because of filtered ciggerettes ramble ramble
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: Konyap]
#14581756 - 06/08/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: china still executes people
hell in russia goin to prison for stealing a loaf of bread meant plague and death
the world sucks
America has more prisoners than the rest of the world, remember. Not per capita, actual numbers.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14582940 - 06/09/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Boris Gryzlov, the speaker of the state duma, the lower house, said a "total war on drugs" was needed to stem a soaring abuse rate driven by the flow of Afghan heroin through central Asia to Europe.

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Gryzlov, however, claimed that "criminal responsibility for the use of narcotics is a powerful preventative measure".

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He called for radical measures such as mandatory drug tests in schools.
 
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14583254 - 06/09/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ah good. russia is bang up to date on perceived theory then (!) " say yuri, what say we have a war on drugs, like the succesful one they have had all around the reat of the world for the last god knows how long?! " da, zat eez a top idea! ve can lessen the surplus population zis way too! mmwwahaha!"
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: Konyap]
#14583581 - 06/09/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: china still executes people
er, so does the US...
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: roquet]
#14583588 - 06/09/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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but the US doesn't torture people. They just ship them to other countries and get someone else to do it. 
May as well go on a witch hunt and stone some people to death. I feel like I'm living in the middle ages because everyone is still as vile and stupid.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: shroomzi8]
#14583858 - 06/09/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomzi8 said: ah good. russia is bang up to date on perceived theory then (!) " say yuri, what say we have a war on drugs, like the succesful one they have had all around the reat of the world for the last god knows how long?! " da, zat eez a top idea! ve can lessen the surplus population zis way too! mmwwahaha!"
But then again... it WAS successfully. Tons of people DID make MILLIONS or more and still do.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: Diacetylmentlegen]
#14585554 - 06/09/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe when their war on drugs causes the same problem as what mexico has now, people will see how bad and stupid it is
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: bigmike7104]
#14587279 - 06/09/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: maybe when their war on drugs causes the same problem as what mexico has now, people will see how bad and stupid it is
People don't give a shit how bad and stupid it is or most don't act like it. Just like America everyone will complain until they have no more rights because we have become lazy and scared to protest vigorously for what's right.
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Re: Russia defies growing consensus with declaration of 'total war on drugs' [Re: roquet]
#14592561 - 06/10/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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aiyobro said: china still executes people
er, so does the US...
I think he meant China still executes people for drug-related charges. Or I at least hope that's what he meant.
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