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Powdered_Toastman



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What to say to someone when they say...
#14579355 - 06/08/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"i am just scared because i honestly dont want to live sometimes, and my mindset is getting stronger on what i think, i dont want to live and see this world deteriorate and crumble in its own bullshit. i just dont like people they sicken me, i sicken myself"
this worry's me as this comes from a close friend of mine, and i usually have something to say to people, but i feel she needs great insight or something, can anyone help me out on what to say to her?
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Remind her that her experiences do not tell the whole story, and that the more she believes in a negative perception of the world the more she will notice negative things and filter out positive ones.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579423 - 06/08/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Remind her that her experiences do not tell the whole story, and that the more she believes in a negative perception of the world the more she will notice negative things and filter out positive ones.
thank you
-------------------- "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." You are God and I am You
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579424 - 06/08/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Remind her that her experiences do not tell the whole story, and that the more she believes in a negative perception of the world the more she will notice negative things and filter out positive ones.
I agree, just marvel at the human experiment makes me want to stick around to see what will happen next !!!
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Powdered_Toastman said: "i am just scared because i honestly dont want to live sometimes, and my mindset is getting stronger on what i think, i dont want to live and see this world deteriorate and crumble in its own bullshit. i just dont like people they sicken me, i sicken myself"
this worry's me as this comes from a close friend of mine, and i usually have something to say to people, but i feel she needs great insight or something, can anyone help me out on what to say to her?
Maybe she's right. Ever think about that? That maybe things are better for some people when they don't continue here. It's not like you're not going to die anyway at some point. If you're not having fun why stay at the party? Most do because people tell them they're a party pooper if they want to leave early.
Just be her friend and listen.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14579588 - 06/08/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"If you're not having fun why stay at the party?"
Yeah and if you're not having fun at the party why not kill yourself?
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579598 - 06/08/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes that's what I was saying metaphorically. You have a problem with that?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14579616 - 06/08/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh someone just got defensive. You mad bro?
Why not go to a different party, or maybe leave the parties and find some peace and quiet?
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579620 - 06/08/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I'm just asking if you have a problem with suicide.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14579625 - 06/08/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have no problem with suicide, I just see no reason for it.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579646 - 06/08/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can see good (imo) reasons why some would want it. So if they want it then why not.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14579672 - 06/08/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's the thing about the reasons, they are only good in terms of opinion. There's no objective reason to kill oneself. I couldn't do it unless I did find a reason to do so. I actually don't mind if my death is complete agony, so that I can have a chance to experience that. Even losing myself to Alzheimer's would be something to experience. I'm not one to be above anything.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx] 2
#14579695 - 06/08/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: That's the thing about the reasons, they are only good in terms of opinion. There's no objective reason to kill oneself. I couldn't do it unless I did find a reason to do so. I actually don't mind if my death is complete agony, so that I can have a chance to experience that. Even losing myself to Alzheimer's would be something to experience. I'm not one to be above anything.
I have a feeling your opinion on that would change once the "complete agony" kicks in.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: 4896744]
#14579714 - 06/08/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe. Really though, if I was experiencing a lot of pain there would be other things I wouldn't have to worry about. Like finding pain medication. We all bear our cross.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx] 2
#14579731 - 06/08/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I actually don't mind if my death is complete agony,
 
I'm sure you don't mind when you feel fine sitting and jacking off on your computer. I sincerely hope you get your wish.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14579921 - 06/08/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wish? I never said I wished it.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14580695 - 06/08/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm wishing it for you. I mean since you won't mind.I want you to have all the experiences your little heart desires.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14580731 - 06/08/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you have a name for your helium tank? Like Ol' Bessie or the Iron Lung? So when you're there at the end you can have a friend to die with?
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14580740 - 06/08/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I call it "ol fuck up frock"
But really why would you want someone else around to distract you at such a golden moment?
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14580756 - 06/08/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Oh someone just got defensive. You mad bro?
Why not go to a different party, or maybe leave the parties and find some peace and quiet?
Why should it be your business? You stay at your own party.
Fuck, people, stop trying to control others minds. If they leave, will they ruin your party? Is that it?
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Powdered_Toastman said: "i am just scared because i honestly dont want to live sometimes, and my mindset is getting stronger on what i think, i dont want to live and see this world deteriorate and crumble in its own bullshit. i just dont like people they sicken me, i sicken myself"
this worry's me as this comes from a close friend of mine, and i usually have something to say to people, but i feel she needs great insight or something, can anyone help me out on what to say to her?
If you're not practiced in talking to someone about a topic that exceeds your experience, you refer them to someone else who is. That's what I do as a clinical counselor/psychotherapist. Sometimes I need a certified sex therapist to refer to because there are limitations on my own training and experience. Sometimes I perceive that medication is needed, and I refer to a psychiatrist with my clinical assessment. When I was much younger, and I was into a religious idiom instead of a clinical idiom, I used to try to talk to people about their anxiety or depression in religious language. You know, 'Jesus is the answer' stuff. Usually not effective in helping those with profound psychological problems - especially if they had no religious upbringing, or if they were Jewish! I had to help, so I had to learn how to help. It sounds like Clinical Depression on the surface, but it could be Borderline manipulation. One sentence couldn't tell any experienced clinician what was going on, so if a trained individual couldn't respond to this, a friend could only really supply emotional support. There are free, anonymous hotlines all over the country, and these can save lives. They can refer out to psychotherapists. Feel free to pass my response to your friend as part of your own emotional support. I've been a crisis intervention counselor for 25 years, and I never want to see anyone else try to solve a temporary problem with a permanent answer!
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Sometimes I need a certified sex therapist to refer to because there are limitations on my own training and experience.
I'm sorry to hear that. 
You can always send them to me.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14580805 - 06/08/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Simms]
#14580848 - 06/08/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe you should ask her why she thinks the world will crumble?
What if she believe that economic hardships of which the likes we have never seen are upon us?
What if she believes that the environment is so fucked up?
I mean, stop looking at this psychologically. Maybe if you can convince her the world isn't fucked she won't be so suicidal?
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Is your girl ok with you posting her pic here? Not very sensitive of you. Of course maybe she's into it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14581589 - 06/08/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It would only add to the experience. It would symbolize all the things that you would be leaving behind. A heavy burden, yet, somehow, like an old friend, old bessie would be there to turn the lights out and let you go to sleep.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14581771 - 06/08/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It would add to the experience for you you mean. Don't assume your experience is universal.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Icelander]
#14581824 - 06/08/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You mean to say it would subtract from the experience for you to have old bessie by your side? Its so much more cozy sounding than "He"
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14582478 - 06/08/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: I actually don't mind if my death is complete agony,
You should go volunteer at your local hospice, they need help.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Doc_T]
#14583163 - 06/09/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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give her some shrooms and let her get better (take her to disney world)
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a few years ago I found myself regularly thinking about how fucked up this world is. Think that at every second that goes by hundreds, thousands of people are abusing, killing, raping, mutilating... it's really easy feeling like you don't belong in this shit hole.
I think you should tell her that if she knows all these things that sicken her and make her feel revolt, she should do anything in her power to change this. Activism in many areas can be a great thing to do, besides put your mind in positive stuff you actually feel like you're doing something good.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Doc_T]
#14583909 - 06/09/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm doing that in September.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: xFrockx]
#14584163 - 06/09/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I pity them.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: pouihi]
#14586191 - 06/09/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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pouihi said: a few years ago I found myself regularly thinking about how fucked up this world is. Think that at every second that goes by hundreds, thousands of people are abusing, killing, raping, mutilating... it's really easy feeling like you don't belong in this shit hole.
I think you should tell her that if she knows all these things that sicken her and make her feel revolt, she should do anything in her power to change this. Activism in many areas can be a great thing to do, besides put your mind in positive stuff you actually feel like you're doing something good.
Be active and accomplish nothing (y)
But if all good people kill themselves, and not have children, then all the bad people will live and have children.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Simms]
#14586728 - 06/09/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just let her know that there is no hurry to get to the next stage of life. There are countless things to experience in this one, and there's plenty of time to do it all, despite what others may tell you. Joy, pain, lust, humor...these are all things that can be experienced worlds over for who knows how long. But don't dwell on the chronological aspect. Just know that here and now, what you have and feel is good. She doesn't have to worry about others' BS because it's not hers to deal with. Be resilient. Be responsible for your own actions and observe those of others.
She'll be fine.
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Re: What to say to someone when they say... [Re: Simms]
#14586858 - 06/09/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Simms said:
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pouihi said: a few years ago I found myself regularly thinking about how fucked up this world is. Think that at every second that goes by hundreds, thousands of people are abusing, killing, raping, mutilating... it's really easy feeling like you don't belong in this shit hole.
I think you should tell her that if she knows all these things that sicken her and make her feel revolt, she should do anything in her power to change this. Activism in many areas can be a great thing to do, besides put your mind in positive stuff you actually feel like you're doing something good.
Be active and accomplish nothing (y)
But if all good people kill themselves, and not have children, then all the bad people will live and have children.
If you're useless in what you do you'll never accomplish anything. I was not suggesting volunteering but fighting for values she might believe in. If she thinks that things are wrong than do something about it, sitting on the couch contemplating suicide won't change them for sure.
Good/bad depend on your moral values.
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