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Suicide compared to a natural death.
    #14579060 - 06/08/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you believe in the after-life or that existance goes on when your body dies do you think there is a difference in what your experiences will be between the two?

I knew a woman in her 30's who deliberitely OD'd last year and then there is my Grandma, for example, and especially because of her religious beliefs that are carried by so many in many different faiths that you need to live till "God takes you in his time" but was miserable and suffering through her ailments.  Always complaining about it.

I think it's bullshit but I also feel that there would be possible negative consequences for those who consciously choose suicide to escape something in life like in her case a upcoming court date and money problems. 

Anyone have thoughts on this?  It's depressing the shit out of me thinking about it.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: timelapses]
    #14579110 - 06/08/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you believe in the after-life or that existance goes on when your body dies do you think there is a difference in what your experiences will be between the two?

I knew a woman in her 30's who deliberitely OD'd last year and then there is my Grandma, for example, and especially because of her religious beliefs that are carried by so many in many different faiths that you need to live till "God takes you in his time" but was miserable and suffering through her ailments.  Always complaining about it.

I think it's bullshit but I also feel that there would be possible negative consequences for those who consciously choose suicide to escape something in life like in her case a upcoming court date and money problems. 

Anyone have thoughts on this?  It's depressing the shit out of me thinking about it.





Yes I have thoughts on this.  If someone had never told you suicide was wrong or a sin would you naturally believe it? What if society in general believed that suicide was a heroic act and was basically in favor of it in almost all cases. What would your belief system be then?  These are the questions to ask yourself imo when deciding what to do with your life.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: Icelander]
    #14579228 - 06/08/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I get what you are saying somewhat, conditioning and culture like the Japanese where it an honorable way to go and many do, though not always honorably from what I've read but socially accepted having to do with the lack of Christianity religion I suppose.

I enjoy life for the most part.  But it's strange how people's deaths can get one thinking about it.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: timelapses]
    #14579299 - 06/08/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I plan on taking things into my own hands at some point on this journey.  Sooner than later most likely.  I just hope it doesn't freak me out too much.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: Icelander]
    #14579332 - 06/08/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Like Hunter Thompson if some freak accident doesn't happen in the meantime I agree.  It even freaked Hunter out before he shot himself, convincing himself that "this isn't going to hurt" before shooting himself when his body was incapable of doing what it used to when he was enjoying his life.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: timelapses]
    #14579415 - 06/08/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"What if society in general believed that suicide was a heroic act and was basically in favor of it in almost all cases."

That society would probably not last very long.

"Sooner than later most likely."

What's sooner?

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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: xFrockx]
    #14579516 - 06/08/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That society would probably not last very long.

So?

What's sooner?

something that comes before later.

or while I can still act on my own volition.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: Icelander]
    #14579558 - 06/08/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"while I can still act on my own volition. "

HAH.  Have you ever? :satansmoking:

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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: xFrockx]
    #14579565 - 06/08/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

only this response

Well not this one but maybe the next one.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: Icelander]
    #14579577 - 06/08/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How did you do it?

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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: xFrockx]
    #14579583 - 06/08/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what is it?


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: xFrockx]
    #14579827 - 06/08/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

xFrockx said:
"What if society in general believed that suicide was a heroic act and was basically in favor of it in almost all cases."

That society would probably not last very long.

"Sooner than later most likely."

What's sooner?




"In almost all causes"?  Are we going back to the culture of Japan from a long time ago to now? From one culture out of the world.  You have to have a better debate and insight than that.

To group the whole of humanity into that small frame is idiotic.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: Icelander]
    #14579927 - 06/08/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Posting on your own voilition.

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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: xFrockx]
    #14579952 - 06/08/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't but maybe this next one.


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: Icelander]
    #14579973 - 06/08/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You didn't? I can't really tell.

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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: xFrockx]
    #14580143 - 06/08/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A friend of mine shot himself in the heart at age 18. In his final moments, he struggled to open his parents door gasping "im sorry" with his dying breath.

His death almost pushed another very close friend of mine (his ex-gf)to her end as well, for he killed himself directly after he called her and she yelled at him for being a fuck up.

Tragic shit. But it definately sloved his problems..

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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: timelapses]
    #14580344 - 06/08/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I get what you are saying somewhat, conditioning and culture like the Japanese where it an honorable way to go and many do, though not always honorably from what I've read but socially accepted having to do with the lack of Christianity religion I suppose.

I enjoy life for the most part.  But it's strange how people's deaths can get one thinking about it.





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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: dzza]
    #14580364 - 06/08/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Someday, I am almost certainly going to kill myself.

Not for a lack of loving life, or any nihilistic world view.  I just want to know, conclusively, what it feels like to die. "Curiosity killed the cat," as they say.


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    #14580530 - 06/08/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you believe in the after-life or that existance goes on when your body dies do you think there is a difference in what your experiences will be between the two?

I knew a woman in her 30's who deliberitely OD'd last year and then there is my Grandma, for example, and especially because of her religious beliefs that are carried by so many in many different faiths that you need to live till "God takes you in his time" but was miserable and suffering through her ailments.  Always complaining about it.

I think it's bullshit but I also feel that there would be possible negative consequences for those who consciously choose suicide to escape something in life like in her case a upcoming court date and money problems. 

Anyone have thoughts on this?  It's depressing the shit out of me thinking about it.




How can there be negative consequences for that?

If I kill myself after having been paralyzed from the waste down and if you don't kill yourself but arent paralyzed from the waste down, how the hell can you say I am escaping life when clearly, OUR LIVES ARE COMPLELTLY DIFFERENT.

GET OVER THIS IDEA OF LIFE. Life is WAAAYYYYY to general to trully help you understand reality.

LIFE COMES IN NOT ONLY A MILLION DIFFERENT COLORS - IT ALSO HAS MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT SHAPES, SIZES, PATTERNS, AND EXPRESSIONS.

Next time you feel like this, just remember life is not what it seems!!!!


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Re: Suicide compared to a natural death. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14580651 - 06/08/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:


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