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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14574618 - 06/07/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^^ good points latherdome - that is how you discuss these matters.
-On the subject, as I implied in my previous post - its all about balanace.

Two false statements: "psychedelics are god"... and "psychedelics are the devil"... The truth: "psychedelics just are" and there are many many different types of people.
Blaming the psychedelics themselves for failure is just as bad as giving all the credit to them for success - they are tools, nothing more.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: otherwhitemeat] * 1
    #14574693 - 06/07/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's powerful stuff, as you can readily see, but IME the addictive properties are primarily psychological not physical.  Any physical craving only lasts about as long as return to zero-tolerance takes - for myself I've seen this many many times as my crops grow (and fail!) sometimes.  Having had some hard-core addictions there's little comparison though. I don't wander the house looking for mushrooms I might have dropped on the floor. :lol:

What seems to trip up a lot of people is the...nostalgia?...craving?...they have for the experiential state itself.  And the state isn't harmful in and of itself (talking mushrooms here), it's almost innocuous, with no hangover and only a minor change in serotonin setpoints to deal with, even after a solid week of daily use.

Thing is, you can't really attain the state without the drug. :shrug: I've done a lot of meditation, yes it can be similar, no, it's not the same.  Personally I crave the state, it allows/enables/facilitates my creative work, and it just feels incredible besides. 

You can easily conclude that you're better off without shrooms.  Feel free to do so.  But arguments against it are always going to be lost on those who disagree with you.  They're experiencing something that feels holy to them, and you're just ranting about how you used to like it once but are proud to like it no more.  Good on you, mate, but don't expect anybody who's actively tripping for whatever reason turns them on to really give a flying whatever.

When you do shrooms and you experience heaven on earth, it's hard not to want to do them again.  From a purely existential standpoint there's really no good reason I've been able to find that rules against ethenogen use that isn't simply based in some kind of societal consensus.  And any student of history (esp. psychopharmacological history) knows how many different versions of that humans have had.

In a nutshell, the societal apparatus that rails against consciousness modification on the part of the unlicensed public never stops trying to stop you from breaking free.  They have everything to lose, but you have everything to gain.

Thanks for indulging this rant and now y'all just carry on with throwing the stones.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #14574749 - 06/07/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yup you dont need them. They can help you though. anything can be psychologically addictive.
I'd rather be psychologically addicted to them instead of something like t.v.
Which alot of america seems to be


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14574872 - 06/07/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's right and the speaker of the message may blast his megaphone in your face or whisper in your ear while tickling your balls, but at the end of the day its the information communicated that matters and the method and tone of that communication should not be the basis of your criticism or support.

Translation:  Even dickheads can make powerful points, striking insights, and incisive, accurate commentary all balled up in an ugly opinion.




Tone and method absolutely matter.  Passing things off as facts that are only truths for you is dangerous, whether you're discussing bliss or hell or whatever in between.  There should be a bit more "in my experience" and a little less "this is the way it IS!".


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: mundane]
    #14575328 - 06/07/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bullshit Mundane.  People around here pass all sorts of opinions with varying degrees of certainty.  The only reason why you think my opinion should get glitzy disclaimers is because of its content.  That's a fact, brother.  I've never seen you try to school assholes with attitudes who glorify psychedelics.

@Nateup - All your big paragraph says is "Hey Joe, that's just your opinion and others may take different paths than you.  And you're a dick, Joe."  I agree with all of it.

Here's what I read in between the lines, "You motherfucker, I've devoted my life to taking these drugs and what you say is so fucking right and deep down I so fucking know it, but to give credit to an asshole like you kills me.  Instead of thanking you for so articulately crystallizing these troubling thoughts that sometimes creep into the part of my brain that is still rational, I will damn you instead."


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14575469 - 06/07/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What a complex. I pity you because you sound  like a cynical, ole bitter man going through a midlife crisis.you rarely seem to never have any kind words to anyone. The glass is empty huh? You dont sound happy.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: savage.renegade]
    #14575650 - 06/07/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There you go using "you" again.  That's my ONLY problem with what you write.  Stop mixing up first and second person and write for yourself.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14578036 - 06/08/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: FighterPilot9]
    #14578136 - 06/08/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey OP
I can really relate to what you have posted. The trip has shown you what is completely possible for you. The teacher has shown you the way. I just want to offer reinforcement of this if I can. I lost half my life to a severe case of social phobia. I know some of what you've been through. I can tell you from my experience that you can move through it, just as your trip said. But if you're like me you won't be able to do it alone. Please get help while you're young. Search around for a healing modality that suits you and seek out a compassionate therapist. I was actually too afraid to seek out help for a long time because of the damn phobia! To cut a long story short I was completely able to short-circuit the catch 22 with the aid of therapy, introspection and practice. The self-referential, strange loop paralysis has been lifted. You're young and you can do it too. All the best to you for the journey ahead.

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: thingamabob]
    #14578614 - 06/08/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey OP im going through the same things too. almost exactly

It gets better if you consciously put yourself in anxiety inducing situations all the time. Keep yourself in the present and just notice every little detail that you experience. Exposure does wonders.. it might never go away but it'll get to the point where you won't feel super awkward all the time anymore.

www.succeedsocially.com I found this site and it has lots of good tips on everything people like us go through.

Taking drugs is nice but obviously you can't rely on them completely. Psychedelics are very mind opening for me so after taking them very frequently, I eventually had some drug induced epiphanies where I realized that tripping wasn't helping me fix my life problems, it was just an escape to feel nice and then once I come down, I'm back to my old self with no changes. I realized what I needed to do was work on my problems while sober.

Anyway, Good luck. Just remember that social skills is a skill like any other. You just need to train for it and you'll be good at it. If you're a really smooth conversationist then you probably won't feel as much anxiety at all, so that's a goal to shoot for.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: thingamabob]
    #14578621 - 06/08/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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savage.renegade said:
What a complex. I pity you because you sound  like a cynical, ole bitter man going through a midlife crisis.you rarely seem to never have any kind words to anyone. The glass is empty huh? You dont sound happy.




Or maybe I'm a happy, well-adjusted, arrogant smart-ass with a million dollar smile who got wrapped up in psychedelic drugs and is passionate about them.  This passion spans the spectrum of hatred to love.  I'm brutally fucking honest with everything including myself, so I'd say my assessment hits the mark.

If it makes you feel better for the story in your head, you can imagine I am a miserable person and that's my problem.  My opinions are not the problem.  Say it and sleep sound.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: thingamabob]
    #14578637 - 06/08/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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thingamabob said:
Quote:

joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14578699 - 06/08/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Quote:

thingamabob said:
Quote:

joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.



Quote:

joemolloy said:
Quote:

thingamabob said:
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joemolloy said:
Interesting how he quoted all of the posts in this thread except the ones (mine and bholzer) that he did not want to hear.  He sought the advice that supported his preconceived disposition and confirmed his positive feelings about these drugs.

All of the posters quoted gave lukewarm to burning hot assessments of these drugs and personal growth.  He wanted reinforcement and he got it and swept passed any opposition.

Let me take my fortune-telling, mind-reading, armchair psychiatrist hat off - its uncomfortable.




Hey joemolloy, I thought your first reply to the OP was valid and thought provoking. But when you weren't quoted and answered by the OP you followed up with something rather patronising and insulting. Without using jaded and cynical presuppositions, how exactly do you know that the OP "swept passed any opposition"? Perhaps he chose not to take on board anything you said and, really, how is that your business? What's it to you that you have to follow up with a complaint for not being recognised for your mighty contribution?




Online forums always have an asshole or two.  You can count me twice.  Don't you dare think that someone asking for advice on "how get this effect to stay with me after tripping" shouldn't have a post like mine rammed in his face.  In an ocean of YES, I scream NO.  And I scream loudly because its so easy to ignore me.  I ignored me for years despite my best efforts.  My posts would have made no sense to me two years ago.




your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14578722 - 06/08/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14578733 - 06/08/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.




They never lost their magic and I abused the fuck of them.  I became God on most trips, the most euphoric and profound experiences which were consistent and always profoundly awesome.  I just gradually realized I was bullshitting myself with the medicinal, transformational, and mystical effects of these drugs.  I was engaging in compulsive drug-taking behavior and blind to it in part because of circle jerk ideas like this thread.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14579009 - 06/08/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.




They never lost their magic and I abused the fuck of them.  I became God on most trips, the most euphoric and profound experiences which were consistent and always profoundly awesome.  I just gradually realized I was bullshitting myself with the medicinal, transformational, and mystical effects of these drugs.  I was engaging in compulsive drug-taking behavior and blind to it in part because of circle jerk ideas like this thread.




did you really have that many detrimental effects from your experiences?

what i'm saying is I believe abusing psychedelics will inevitably lead to the realization/epiphany that you need to cut back on the drugs and get your shit together. and that's a nice thing to feel, sometimes that's what people need.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14579159 - 06/08/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your posts are unnecessary imo. The best way to get over a psychedelic addiction is to do them as much as possible until they lose their magic and realize it's time to stop.



God-awful advice. Somebody who listens to this may really fuck himself up. This is something I did for a while, and I suffered for it. I wish I'd taken it slower and moderated my use more.

If you want increased surety that you won't suffer negative psychological effects from psychedelics, use moderately. I know this is advice everyone spouts out, but there is a reason for that...


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14580292 - 06/08/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are over-thinking this entire thing.

Have fun. Its 7 letters. That's what life is about.

Life = have fun.

Nothing else matters. You can find all the insights you want, but it doesn't matter how wise or smart or experienced you are if you didn't have fun the entire trip up until your current point in life.

Both good and bad must exist as well. You will also be sad and angry and panicked along with your happiness. The trick is to not turn into depression, or rage, or anxiety.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: Joolz]
    #14580411 - 06/08/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Joolz said:
You guys are over-thinking this entire thing.

Have fun. Its 7 letters. That's what life is about.

Life = have fun.

Nothing else matters. You can find all the insights you want, but it doesn't matter how wise or smart or experienced you are if you didn't have fun the entire trip up until your current point in life.

Both good and bad must exist as well. You will also be sad and angry and panicked along with your happiness. The trick is to not turn into depression, or rage, or anxiety.



I used to think the same thing. I always thought I could boil life down to just having fun. But then I realized that while having fun, I need to be successful, and have a family, and leave a legacy. It's more than just having a good time.


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Re: How can I get this effect to stay with me after tripping? [Re: bholzer]
    #14580901 - 06/08/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bholzer said:
Quote:

Joolz said:
You guys are over-thinking this entire thing.

Have fun. Its 7 letters. That's what life is about.

Life = have fun.

Nothing else matters. You can find all the insights you want, but it doesn't matter how wise or smart or experienced you are if you didn't have fun the entire trip up until your current point in life.

Both good and bad must exist as well. You will also be sad and angry and panicked along with your happiness. The trick is to not turn into depression, or rage, or anxiety.



I used to think the same thing. I always thought I could boil life down to just having fun. But then I realized that while having fun, I need to be successful, and have a family, and leave a legacy. It's more than just having a good time.




uh... no?

You do those things because you believe they will provide you with lasting happiness.

There's no rulebook in life that says you must be successful, have a family, and leave a legacy. There's literally 0 point to doing anything if the end goal of it isn't for happiness.


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