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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14680012 - 06/27/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ShroomyJohn said: I can't fucking believe the people here saying that it should have been left up to the states. "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" its in the constitution. That we ever allowed slavery was a travesty to begin with, and people here are advocating for a "state's right" to own slaves?
IMO, human rights supersede state's rights..no person, group, or state has the right to enslave people.
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ShroomyJohn said: Makes me sick to my fucking stomach that there are still people that think this way.
I think it's highly ludicrous that these people would only support slavery if they themselves were not slaves..very childish mentality, IMO.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
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I can't fucking believe the people here saying that it should have been left up to the states. "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" its in the constitution.
No it isn't.
It always cracks me up that the people with the most hubris reveal themselves to be the most uneducated- percisely the quality they aver hinders others' opinions.
I take it you'll now remark on your ignorance with equal fervor as that with which you attacked others?
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That we ever allowed slavery was a travesty to begin with, and people here are advocating for a "state's right" to own slaves?
Who said that? What does slavery have to do with state's rights? You are aware slavery is unconstitutional, yes?
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By what means are you saying their economy is the best in the world and how does this metric relate to your claim of communism's success?
With a billion plus people, you could make a good profit throwing boulders off cliffs and selling gravel, and with totalitarian regimes such "trades" that nobody would ever do voluntarily because its ridiculous from a buisness standpoint suddenly become quite profitable, if not particularly efficient. That China has managed to unfuck themselves enough to have start encouraging investment in their country (when they aren't stabbing the investors/companies in the back) isn't by any means a great reflection on their government. If anything, its a testament to how backwards their government had been that they can grow this fast. When you seal yourself off from the world, kill all the people with any education, and make the tradesman be farmers on government co-ops (thus starving the population from mismanagement and incompotance while destroying the professions the tradesmen were from), you shut down a country pretty well. That China is growing by leaps and bounds now is a testament to how completely ridiculous their former policy is rather than some grand endorsement of their present system.
It sure isn't communism that is fueling all that growth, those are capitalist dollars funding the construction of China's cities and industrial parks. The Chinese Communist Party finally had the sense to allow it to some extent, thus becoming the cheap labor clearing house for the world. (not to mention probably the slave labor leader, stolen organ leader, and all sorts of other dubious distinctions)
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: ShroomyJohn]
#14681436 - 06/27/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dogs aren't slaves in the same way African Americans were slaves..dogs are friendly companions, and we generally don't demand that they perform tasks which they are fervently opposed to performing, whereas African American slaves were not treated like friendly companions and were forced to do whatever their owners demanded of them, even if they didn't desire to.
I agree and if we ever get slaves back I suggest we treat them like dogs. Sorry couldn't help it.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: johnm214]
#14681499 - 06/27/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That we ever allowed slavery was a travesty to begin with, and people here are advocating for a "state's right" to own slaves?
Who said that?
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I believe in state rights. that will do pig. that will do.
Agreed. Though I disagree with slavery it should have been left up to the states to decide.
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By what means are you saying their economy is the best in the world...
I said among the best, not the best.
Economy of the People's Republic of China
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If a communist government can sustain a successful economy, then, IMO, that means that it is a successful government (in at least some sense)..China's economic success is an example of communism's success, don't you think?
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johnm214 said: With a billion plus people, you could make a good profit throwing boulders off cliffs and selling gravel, and with totalitarian regimes such "trades" that nobody would ever do voluntarily because its ridiculous from a buisness standpoint suddenly become quite profitable, if not particularly efficient.
Do you have any reason to believe that China's economic success is, to any significant extent, due to people selling gravel made by throwing boulders off cliffs, and/or due to its government forcing trades that nobody would ever do voluntarily? I'm pretty sure much of its success is due to trades with foreign countries.
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johnm214 said: That China has managed to unfuck themselves enough to have start encouraging investment in their country (when they aren't stabbing the investors/companies in the back) isn't by any means a great reflection on their government.
So you're saying that China couldn't be economically successful if they refrained from doing all these things that don't reflect greatly on them?
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johnm214 said: If anything, its a testament to how backwards their government had been that they can grow this fast. When you seal yourself off from the world, kill all the people with any education, and make the tradesman be farmers on government co-ops (thus starving the population from mismanagement and incompotance while destroying the professions the tradesmen were from), you shut down a country pretty well. That China is growing by leaps and bounds now is a testament to how completely ridiculous their former policy is rather than some grand endorsement of their present system.
I don't agree with everything the PRC does..if fact, I find much of their actions to be quite detestable. Still, I have seen no proof which shows that they would be unable to manage a stable economy if they ran their government more ethically. China shows that some form of communism can work.
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johnm214 said: It sure isn't communism that is fueling all that growth, those are capitalist dollars funding the construction of China's cities and industrial parks. The Chinese Communist Party finally had the sense to allow it to some extent, thus becoming the cheap labor clearing house for the world. (not to mention probably the slave labor leader, stolen organ leader, and all sorts of other dubious distinctions)
A completely communist government would probably be as unstable as a completely capitalist government..like with many, or perhaps even most things, the answer lies somwhere in the middle ground.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
#14685425 - 06/28/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's highly ludicrous that these people would only support slavery if they themselves were not slaves..very childish mentality, IMO.
I don't see what is childish about it. What reason is there to bar myself from experiencing a potential benefit? Do you think it is wrong to benefit off of goods manufactured in China due to the suffering it brings children in sweatshops?
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: johnm214]
#14685460 - 06/28/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm in favor of states rights so I would have been against the forceful emancipation of slaves.
However, I'm against slavery and would have been a lobbyist against it to anyone that would stand to listen to me.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: 4896744]
#14685654 - 06/28/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's highly ludicrous that these people would only support slavery if they themselves were not slaves..very childish mentality, IMO.
I don't see what is childish about it. What reason is there to bar myself from experiencing a potential benefit?
I don't think you should be given the choice to bar yourself from having slaves..slavery should be illegal, period. If you only think slavery is OK if you yourself are not a slave, then you are a hypocrite.
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iThink said: Do you think it is wrong to benefit off of goods manufactured in China due to the suffering it brings children in sweatshops?
No..buying commercial goods is much different than owning a slave.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
#14685691 - 06/28/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think you should be given the choice to bar yourself from having slaves..slavery should be illegal, period. If you only think slavery is OK if you yourself are not a slave, then you are a hypocrite.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "ok". I view the enslavement of blacks as "ok" for me personally because of the potential perceived benefits that I would experience. If I was the one being enslaved I would not view it as "ok" because I wouldn't experience said benefits.
Are you suggesting that there are moral absolutes?
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No..buying commercial goods is much different than owning a slave.
I disagree. Both of these are examples of benefiting off the suffering of others.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: 4896744]
#14686426 - 06/28/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think you should be given the choice to bar yourself from having slaves..slavery should be illegal, period. If you only think slavery is OK if you yourself are not a slave, then you are a hypocrite.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "ok". I view the enslavement of blacks as "ok" for me personally because of the potential perceived benefits that I would experience.
Why do they have to be black, and what makes you think that the government's role is to give you the benefit of having slaves?
What is the government's role IYO..is it to protect certain groups of people living within its jurisdiction, or to protect all people living within its jurisdiction?
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iThink said: If I was the one being enslaved I would not view it as "ok" because I wouldn't experience said benefits.
So you think slavery should only be legal only if you're not a slave? 
Or do you believe that the government should only allow certain people to become slaves? What you support is an oppressive government..since you support that, we're just never going to agree because I fervently believe that governments should be as non-oppressive as possible. 
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iThink said: Are you suggesting that there are moral absolutes?
No, I'm suggesting that the government doesn't exist to bow down to you, but rather exists to protect everybody living within its jurisdiction equally.
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You have a totally ass-backwatrds, nonsensical view of what the government's role is IMO.
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No..buying commercial goods is much different than owning a slave.
I disagree. Both of these are examples of benefiting off the suffering of others.
That's where the similarities end..they're not both examples of being solely responsible for the suffering of others.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
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I don't think you should be given the choice to bar yourself from having slaves..slavery should be illegal, period. If you only think slavery is OK if you yourself are not a slave, then you are a hypocrite.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "ok". I view the enslavement of blacks as "ok" for me personally because of the potential perceived benefits that I would experience.
Why do they have to be black, and what makes you think that the government's role is to give you the benefit of having slaves?
What is the government's role IYO..is it to protect certain groups of people living within its jurisdiction, or to protect all people living within its jurisdiction?
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iThink said: If I was the one being enslaved I would not view it as "ok" because I wouldn't experience said benefits.
So you think slavery should only be legal only if you're not a slave? 
Or do you believe that the government should only allow certain people to become slaves? What you support is an oppressive government..since you support that, we're just never going to agree because I fervently believe that governments should be as non-oppressive as possible. 
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iThink said: Are you suggesting that there are moral absolutes?
No, I'm suggesting that the government doesn't exist to bow down to you, but rather exists to protect everybody living within its jurisdiction equally.
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You have a totally ass-backwatrds, nonsensical view of what the government's role is IMO.
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No..buying commercial goods is much different than owning a slave.
I disagree. Both of these are examples of benefiting off the suffering of others.
That's where the similarities end..they're not both examples of being solely responsible for the suffering of others.
The OP was asking if you would support the forceful emancipation of slaves in the South. My answer was no. There would have been no reason to support something attempting to take away a benefit i experienced. I don't see why that is so hard for you to understand.
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That's where the similarities end..they're not both examples of being solely responsible for the suffering of others.
So as long as you participate in a group that causes suffering to others it is "ok"?
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: 4896744]
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: 4896744]
#14687123 - 06/28/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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iThink said: The OP was asking if you would support the forceful emancipation of slaves in the South. My answer was no. There would have been no reason to support something attempting to take away a benefit i experienced. I don't see why that is so hard for you to understand.
Since you don't believe that slavery should be illegal under every circumstance, I wanted to discuss slavery in general, and why you believe it should ever have been, or should ever be allowed at all..discussing the legality of slavery in general in a thread about African American slavery in the Confederate South would not be off-topic at all. I don't see why that is so hard for you to understand (or maybe you do understand, but you're just trying to avoid answering my questions while at the same time trying, and failing to make yourself look smart ). 
I also don't see why it's hard for you to answer a simple question: should the government protect only a select few, or absolutely everybody who resides within its jurisdiction? Why would your view on the matter differ depending on whether or not you lived during the times when slavery was legal in the Confederate South? 
Furthermore, why do you imagine yourself to be a slave owner who lived in the Confederate South when discussing this topic? The thread title is "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south?", not "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south if you were a Southern slave owner?". 
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That's where the similarities end..they're not both examples of being solely responsible for the suffering of others.
So as long as you participate in a group that causes suffering to others it is "ok"?
How is buying commercial goods produced by cruel means the same thing as participating in the group who committed the cruel acts which were responsible for producing the said goods? The cruel acts would be committed, and the said goods would be produced regardless of whether or not you purchased them. This is like when silly vegans say that each person who eats meat is responsible for the cruelty committed against animals in meat processing farms..in reality, nobody, aside from the people directly responsible for the cruel acts, is responsible for the cruel ways in which animals in meat processing farms are treated because a) the animals would be treated the same way regardless of whether or not some random individual purchased meat products, and b) those animals don't necessarily have to be treated cruelly in order for meat to be obtained from their bodies (there are humane methods in which such animals can be dispatched, but currently, many meat processing farms do nut utilize those methods).
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
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Since you don't believe that slavery should be illegal under every circumstance, I wanted to discuss slavery in general, and why you believe it should ever have been, or should ever be allowed at all..discussing the legality of slavery in general in a thread about African American slavery in the Confederate South would not be off-topic at all. I don't see why that is so hard for you to understand (or maybe you do understand, and you're just trying to avoid answering my questions;)).
I also don't see why it's hard for you to answer a simple question: should the government protect only a select few, or absolutely everybody who resides within its jurisdiction? Why would your political views differ depending on whether or not you lived during the times when slavery was legal in the Confederate South?
Furthermore, why do you imagine yourself to have been a slave owner who lived in the Confederate South when discussing this topic? The thread title is "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south?", not "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south if you were a Southern slave owner?".
There is no correct answer as to what the government "should" do. All I care about is how certain things will affect me.
Also, my political views wouldn't differ based upon my time period. The thing is that in current times I view a return to slavery as a near impossibility. It's not even an issue to seriously consider for our present day political situation imo.
Lastly, if you read my original post in this thread you will see that I didn't solely take the stance of a slave owner.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: 4896744]
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Since you don't believe that slavery should be illegal under every circumstance, I wanted to discuss slavery in general, and why you believe it should ever have been, or should ever be allowed at all..discussing the legality of slavery in general in a thread about African American slavery in the Confederate South would not be off-topic at all. I don't see why that is so hard for you to understand (or maybe you do understand, and you're just trying to avoid answering my questions;)).
I also don't see why it's hard for you to answer a simple question: should the government protect only a select few, or absolutely everybody who resides within its jurisdiction? Why would your political views differ depending on whether or not you lived during the times when slavery was legal in the Confederate South?
Furthermore, why do you imagine yourself to have been a slave owner who lived in the Confederate South when discussing this topic? The thread title is "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south?", not "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south if you were a Southern slave owner?".
There is no correct answer as to what the government "should" do.
Of course there isn't, because there is no such thing as a "true" or "false" opinion..I am surprised that you don't have an opinion on the matter. This is a political forum..don't you have a political philosophy of some sort? We are discussing whether or not you would support a certain government policy..obviously, johnm13 is asking about your personal opinion regarding what the proper governmental course of action would be, he's not asking you to prove whether a certain course of action is an objectively correct one.
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iThink said: All I care about is how certain things will affect me.
And do you think this is what policy-makers care about when drafting policy? Can't you be at least a little realistic here? Public policy is about compromise..if you don't believe in compromise, then I don't see what good your opinion on this, or any other political matter is (that you don't seem to believe in compromise is partly why I called your mentality "childish"). 
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iThink said: Also, my political views wouldn't differ based upon my time period. The thing is that in current times I view a return to slavery as a near impossibility. It's not even an issue to seriously consider for our present day political situation imo.
But you would still support it, if, and only if you reaped the benefits. You essentially support government-sanctioned torture..that is completely ridiculous IMO. 
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iThink said: Lastly, if you read my original post in this thread you will see that I didn't solely take the stance of a slave owner.
Well I didn't remember exactly what you said in your OP, I was just responding to this:
My answer was no. There would have been no reason to support something attempting to take away a benefit i experienced.
Based on that, I assumed you were solely taking the stance of a slave owner.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
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Of course there isn't, because there is no such thing as a "true" or "false" opinion..I am surprised that you don't have an opinion on the matter. This is a political forum..don't you have a political philosophy of some sort? We are discussing whether or not you would support a certain government policy..obviously, johnm13 is asking about your personal opinion regarding what the proper governmental course of action would be, he's not asking you to prove whether a certain course of action is an objectively correct one.
Johnm asked "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south?" not "Should the slaves have been emancipated?".
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And do you think this is what policy-makers care about when drafting policy? Can't you be at least a little realistic here? Public policy is about compromise..if you don't believe in compromise, then I don't see what good your opinion on this, or any other political matter is (that you don't seem to believe in compromise is partly why I called your mentality "childish").
When am I given a chance to compromise? A compromise generally requires benefits being given to each party. In this case it is a yes or no. If I owned slaves at the time voting yes would only hurt me.
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But you would still support it, if, and only if you reaped the benefits. You essentially support government-sanctioned torture..that is completely ridiculous IMO.
Why is that ridiculous? As long as there is close to no chance that the policy could turn on me personally, and the "government-sanctioned torture" gave me some sort of benefit, it is a completely rational stance to take imo.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: 4896744]
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Of course there isn't, because there is no such thing as a "true" or "false" opinion..I am surprised that you don't have an opinion on the matter. This is a political forum..don't you have a political philosophy of some sort? We are discussing whether or not you would support a certain government policy..obviously, johnm13 is asking about your personal opinion regarding what the proper governmental course of action would be, he's not asking you to prove whether a certain course of action is an objectively correct one.
Johnm asked "Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south?" not "Should the slaves have been emancipated?"
So?
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And do you think this is what policy-makers care about when drafting policy? Can't you be at least a little realistic here? Public policy is about compromise..if you don't believe in compromise, then I don't see what good your opinion on this, or any other political matter is (that you don't seem to believe in compromise is partly why I called your mentality "childish").
When am I given a chance to compromise? A compromise generally requires benefits being given to each party.
a concession to something derogatory or prejudicial
Do you not see slavery as being prejudicial? 
Compromising is about making things fair for all involved parties..there is nothing whatsoever fair about you enslaving others, not by a long-shot.
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iThink said: In this case it is a yes or no. If I owned slaves at the time voting yes would only hurt me.
Why would you have owned slaves, unless you had no problem with slavery in general? That you're imagining that you would have potentially been a slave-owner back then means that you condone slavery..nobody agrees to being a slave, there is no compromise involved on the slave's part in becoming a slave. You don't seem to value compromise when it comes to governmental policy, thus, your opinion on any topic regarding political matters is, for all intents and purposes, worthless.
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But you would still support it, if, and only if you reaped the benefits. You essentially support government-sanctioned torture..that is completely ridiculous IMO.
Why is that ridiculous? As long as there is close to no chance that the policy could turn on me personally, and the "government-sanctioned torture" gave me some sort of benefit, it is a completely rational stance to take imo.
Might you tell me why you put "government-sanctioned torture" in quotations?
It's ridiculous because, again, you don't seem to value compromise, which is the basis of any sane governmental policy..you don't believe in fairness when it comes to governmental policy, and I can't see myself having a mature discussion on the topic with someone who has that mentality.
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Re: Would you have supported forceful emancipation of the slaves in the US south? [Re: Poid]
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Might you tell me why you put "government-sanctioned torture" in quotations?
It's ridiculous because, again, you don't seem to value compromise, which is the basis of any sane governmental policy..you don't believe in fairness when it comes to governmental policy, and I can't see myself having a mature discussion on the topic with someone who has that mentality.
I put it in quotations because it is not a term I would use to describe slavery. However, I don't have a problem with you calling it such if you wish.
Why is it so wrong for me to disregard concepts such as "fair" when determining my personal political opinions? This whole thread was about your personal opinion. It is not about me trying to lay out a "fair" framework for government which will compromise between individuals.
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