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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
    #14570160 - 06/06/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What is there to learn about life?




Everything.


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14570244 - 06/06/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: Given we start off relatively clueless in a world that is; at least for humanity in many ways cold and unhealthy. You gotta learn about it and ingrain the important parts before you can start to do the opposite and throw the fluff away and know directly how to act healthily and without so much thought. As far as I'm concerned that is the goal of psychotherapy, or whatever term you want to use.


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14570459 - 06/06/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Name one thing.

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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
    #14570523 - 06/06/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

one thing


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14570533 - 06/06/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Tell me one thing there is to learn about life if there is anything to learn about life.

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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
    #14570544 - 06/06/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no, I'm not going to do your work for you.


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14570944 - 06/06/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How can I be sure there is anything to know if you can't even tell me one thing? I'm sure if there is "everything" to know I'll still have plenty of work if you tell me just one.

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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
    #14571237 - 06/06/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I never said I can't tell you. I said I won't tell you.


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14571854 - 06/06/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug:

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Re: Friendship [Re: xFrockx]
    #14571870 - 06/06/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Are two people ever really friends, ever?

I got a good one for you. Two people grow up in the same town, attend the same school K-12 and go on to be roommates in college for 2 years. At the end of the second year, one of them stops hanging out with the other person, transfers schools with his girlfriend and moves out, and tells the other person the day before. Were they ever really friends?

What does it mean to be a friend, really?




Incredible to read this quote, i find myself in this exact situation. A friend Ive known since birth, who who was once my best friend, who i roomed with in college, doesn't seem more than an enemy to me now. Im going to be a senior. Were we ever friends? Thats the question that keeps running through my head, I have no answer, im not sure i ever will. Part of me says we weren't, part of me says our friendship was all circumstantial, that we hung out because we knew each other well, because it was easy. I wish i could understand this whole thing now, but realize understanding wont come for years.

Most friendships it seem are like ships passing in the night, people are true friends for that period of their life, but they grow they change, their friendship is between two ghosts in the past, strung together by bodies of the present. Thats just a thought, who knows i await the day when i can better grasp the idea of friendship.

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Re: Friendship [Re: Xpatriot]
    #14573021 - 06/07/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

says our friendship was all circumstantial,

Bingo!  I think friendships are mutual self interest that is circumstantial.  Change the circumstances and poof.


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14573912 - 06/07/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Robert Ringer's 'Looking out for #1' explains this all in detail. Should be required reading for everyone.


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Re: Friendship [Re: Icelander]
    #14575796 - 06/07/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so what your really saying is most if not all people let selfishness and greed decide their fateful friendships.


And i agree, greed has poisoned the love of humanity greatly in the last 100 years. Especially in modern society.  The ability to step beyond ones own consciousness is diminishing as a adopted view of reality in communities and societies across the world.

I would even go as far as saying humanities third dark age is setting a course of fruition.


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Nixon was a asshole. Just look at his biggest creation. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the DEA.

Which secretly stands for Demonizing Everyone by Allegations.

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Re: Friendship [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14576003 - 06/07/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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so what your really saying is most if not all people let selfishness and greed decide their fateful friendships.


And i agree, greed has poisoned the love of humanity greatly in the last 100 years. Especially in modern society.  The ability to step beyond ones own consciousness is diminishing as a adopted view of reality in communities and societies across the world.

I would even go as far as saying humanities third dark age is setting a course of fruition.




:lol: Spoken like a true youngster ignorant towards history.


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Re: Friendship [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14576012 - 06/07/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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so what your really saying is most if not all people let selfishness and greed decide their fateful friendships.





Not most - all.


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Re: Friendship [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14576039 - 06/07/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To me, friendship, just as everything else, exists is many layers. There is the layer of initial intention/motives when the people first met, which creates every possible outcome and intention at the moment that it creates itself through us. Even if we think we know our intentions, the way we form those intentions is dependent of everything we've experienced before, how we deal with our experiences as they happen and what we allow our intentions to possibly became later by acknowledging even one possibility. Acknowledging the possibility of becoming friends, or even recognizing friendships in the moment, cannot exist without every other possibility. Even if you are unaware of something until it is presented to you in some form that doesn't mean it did not exist before but it means exactly that only until it is familiar. If it was created completely in that one instant when you recognized it how you could relate it to anything or relate to it at all? In my opinion, anything I am capable of comprehending has existed within my idea of what forever means, in some form, prior to my recognition of it, and if anything my recognition is what should be in question rather than what I've recognized. When I break friendship down to my idea of it's basics I can barely tell the differences between a friend, an enemy or myself, and I deal with people in those terms. I still have my ideas of what feels like a friend and what feels like an enemy, but, for me, I immediately connect those feelings to my limited perspective. Everything I expect from people comes from how I expect those expectations to affect me, like I'm trying to change my life through other people as myself, and after a while my sense of self began to blur into the one continuous sprawl.

But, despite all of that, it's still confusing and frustrating as hell sometimes...Especially not being able to really pin down why I still have those feelings considering how I think about it. I'll never know why, and that allows me to always continue.

Also, this song comes to mind:
Eyedea and Abilites - By The Throat

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Re: Friendship [Re: 4896744]
    #14577228 - 06/07/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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iThink said:
Quote:

DarkMatterOfFact said:
so what your really saying is most if not all people let selfishness and greed decide their fateful friendships.


And i agree, greed has poisoned the love of humanity greatly in the last 100 years. Especially in modern society.  The ability to step beyond ones own consciousness is diminishing as a adopted view of reality in communities and societies across the world.

I would even go as far as saying humanities third dark age is setting a course of fruition.




:lol: Spoken like a true youngster ignorant towards history.


you atack me personally and call me ignorant? how ironic and funny.
youve spoken like a true modern american.

YOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME. OR WHO THE HELL I AM. get a clue

Casanova for example, one of the most prominent womanizers of all time was best friends with his first love even after she married and for his hole life. How likely is that to happen to someone of the same stature in these times without people judging or acting awkward?

in fact in beginnings of american society we were a lot more noble then we are now.

It took 200 years to effectively destroy the values this society was built upon. through destruction of worthwhile rights and education.

and why or how? greed. :themoreyouknow:


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Nixon was a asshole. Just look at his biggest creation. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the DEA.

Which secretly stands for Demonizing Everyone by Allegations.

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Re: Friendship [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14577405 - 06/07/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

in fact in beginnings of american society we were a lot more noble then we are now.

Are you conveniently ignoring the fact that all American soil was taken out of selfishness and greed?


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Re: Friendship [Re: Kickle]
    #14577470 - 06/07/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

semantics my fellow shroomerite. and thats not the point.

the point is digression of principles in a communal aspect by opportunistic relationships.

not how natives were invaded by the empire of england's government. even their government officially apologized to the world for their historical actions.
that is a different matter entirely.

your just arguing for the sake of who knows what.


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Nixon was a asshole. Just look at his biggest creation. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the DEA.

Which secretly stands for Demonizing Everyone by Allegations.

Edited by DarkMatterOfFact (06/07/11 11:51 PM)

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Re: Friendship [Re: DarkMatterOfFact]
    #14577537 - 06/07/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not how natives were invaded by the empirical empire of england's government




:lol:


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