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In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that...
#14576341 - 06/07/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone think they know something? Post what you know here, so we can be check to see if you really know it, or if you are just trying to lie to us and yourself.
If you don't profess to know anything, relax here if you want.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14576354 - 06/07/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your asking a question.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14576426 - 06/07/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huh? Is that what you think you know?
If you claim to know that I am asking a question, then you surely must be able to tell me what knowledge is. What is knowledge? Surely, if you know something, you must know what knowledge is. Otherwise, how could you b sure that you know anything? You wouldn't even know what you meant, if you don't know what knowledge is.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14576446 - 06/07/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your initial question, to open the thread, was "Anyone think they know something"
now your asking me about knowledge....kind of a leap.
I do know that (this is my something) you are asking a question.....you agree with that?
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Edited by SirTripAlot (06/07/11 08:14 PM)
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14576574 - 06/07/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
xFrockx said: Anyone think they know something? Post what you know here, so we can be check to see if you really know it, or if you are just trying to lie to us and yourself.
If you don't profess to know anything, relax here if you want.
I'm pretty sure about some things in relation to my experience. Does that count?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: 4896744]
#14576602 - 06/07/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know Earth is doomed..
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: mushiepussy]
#14576682 - 06/07/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Up in this bitch
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14576760 - 06/07/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Anyone think they know something?
I know that you don't know the answer to your question.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: BargainBab]
#14576874 - 06/07/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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BargainBab said:
Up in this bitch
I know that you are doomed as well.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14577051 - 06/07/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: Huh? Is that what you think you know?
If you claim to know that I am asking a question, then you surely must be able to tell me what knowledge is. What is knowledge? Surely, if you know something, you must know what knowledge is. Otherwise, how could you b sure that you know anything? You wouldn't even know what you meant, if you don't know what knowledge is.
Since you yourself are using the term 'know' in your OP, please define the concept for the rest of us to save time. Or are you making posts using words you don't even understand?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14577622 - 06/07/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should have called this "The Official Epistemology Thread".
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: deCypher] 1
#14578765 - 06/08/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Or are you making posts using words you don't even understand? "
Uh oh, you caught me.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14578770 - 06/08/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"now your asking me about knowledge....kind of a leap."
Hardly. Its you making the leap. If you told me you had an apple, but you didn't even have an idea of what an apple was, how could you tell me for sure that you had an apple?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
#14578933 - 06/08/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Intronaut said:
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xFrockx said: Anyone think they know something?
I know that you don't know the answer to your question.
Well?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
#14579043 - 06/08/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579062 - 06/08/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your refusal to answer your question.
So, do you know the answer?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
#14579071 - 06/08/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I admit, I don't know anything.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579212 - 06/08/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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To what standard are you apllying this question?
Obviously nobody knows anything when it really comes down to it, but I know that drinking the bleach under the sink will put an end to my perception of my current state of being, whatever it may be.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
#14579368 - 06/08/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How does my refusal demonstrate that I don't know its answer to you?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Ziggy-Shr00mdust]
#14579373 - 06/08/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"I know that drinking the bleach under the sink will put an end to my perception of my current state of being, whatever it may be. "
How much bleach?
Joking aside, even if you died it might not be the end of the perception of your current experience. If the universe is a loop it will happen again exactly as it has.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Kickle]
#14579384 - 06/08/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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How do you know that you don't?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579454 - 06/08/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know because I know because I know. The mistake is to think about knowlege in a pragmatic sense, rather than as an anomaly that is self contained.
If we are to believe the current understanding of the cosmos then it is true that the universe does not exist but for itself, it does not have a limit or an exterior. The same applies to knowlege, knowlege exists in and of itself for itself. It is limitless an has no exterior.
The universe seems to be tied to a need to be aware of itself, causality you might call it. But knowlege never begins, it simply is. Infinitely being.
And the reason that sounds like a bunch of horse shit is quite simple, it is.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579494 - 06/08/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Read your first post.
Now read second. If you cant see the difference, I cant make you cognizant.
I do stand by what I said. You are asking a question. If you dont want to admit that, again I dont have a magic wand (i wish I had one of those things) to make it so.
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579495 - 06/08/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: How do you know that you don't?
I didn't say I know anything. I said I admit that I don't know.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Kickle]
#14579526 - 06/08/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you admit that you don't know then what is knowledge? You surely must have some if you can admit that you have none of it.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579530 - 06/08/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I can because I can.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14579535 - 06/08/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You said you knew I was asking a question. To say that much you must have some awareness of what knowledge is. What is knowledge? Or are you just talking out of your arse?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Kickle]
#14579539 - 06/08/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sounds justified.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579548 - 06/08/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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As good as it gets with you Frock. I'm just taking it easy in the thread posting what I can, per usual.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579604 - 06/08/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ha.
You accuse me of talking out of my "arse" ,yet, I wonder is its possible to question out of ones "arse"
If that is true, man you take the cake!
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Kickle]
#14579635 - 06/08/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Taking it easy, IN the thread? Just chillin out IN the thread? Where? What are you IN?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14579638 - 06/08/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"If that is true, man you take the cake! "
I'm actually writing them with my fingers. If I find a way to type with my ass I'll let you know.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579656 - 06/08/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: What are you IN?
I'm guessing a cake you're getting for your bachelor's party. Hey sexy!
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579673 - 06/08/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im typing with my fingers as well....what a coincidence
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14579712 - 06/08/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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But wherefrom doth the inspiration spark?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14579769 - 06/08/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You inspire...in a monotonous way of course
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: SirTripAlot]
#14579823 - 06/08/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Suppose every important thing i've been taught in my life to this point has been innacurate and unreliable.. what then?"
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: mushiepussy]
#14579933 - 06/08/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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DON'T PANIC.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14580458 - 06/08/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: How does my refusal demonstrate that I don't know its answer to you?
Because answering my question would conflict with your position.
I've not hesitated to answer three of your questions, but you avoid mine like the plague.
So, what are some possible answers to your original question?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14580490 - 06/08/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: DON'T PANIC.
Why shouldn't I panic?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
#14580517 - 06/08/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not avoiding it. I don't know if I know the answer to your question, which was, "Do I know the answer to my own question" which you said that I did not, and that you knew that. When I asked "How?" You claimed it was because I would not answer your question.
And to answer my own question, I do not know if I know anything, and I don't know that, or that or that, or that, or that, or that...
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx] 1
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One thing I believe to know through my experiences is that this type of conversation gets irrelevant quickly without articulation. Experience (yours or mine or ours) and its communication in any number of media are the only means we have to know anything. So in turn everything we think we know is subjective to ourselves and our shortcomings.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: mushiepussy]
#14581041 - 06/08/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: "Suppose every important thing i've been taught in my life to this point has been innacurate and unreliable.. what then?"
Then you would have a change in your perception, I guess
.......otherwise how would you know that every important thing you have been taught was inaccurate and unreliable without contrary evidence?
-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Edited by SirTripAlot (06/08/11 05:42 PM)
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14581120 - 06/08/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now its clear.
I do not know if I know if I know if I know if I know (ad infinitum) anything, and I don't know that, or that, or that, or that (ad infinitum).
I dig it.
However, is this just a construct of language (confusing the map for the territory)? Or does it reveal something about reality?
I prefer to say maybe.
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: xFrockx]
#14581978 - 06/08/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: And to answer my own question, I do not know if I know anything, and I don't know that, or that or that, or that, or that, or that...
How can you truthfully state any of these if you can't define what 'know' means?
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Re: In this thread: We admit we don't know anything... or that... or that... or that... [Re: Intronaut]
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"However, is this just a construct of language (confusing the map for the territory)?"
It is the humble admission that one's ideas are not triumphant over the change and uncertainty that pervades the world in which we live in. Although there is no reason to ignoring regularities, there is equally no reason to think them more than they are and hold them high and above other experiences.
"Or does it reveal something about reality?"
Well if we came up with something to say to answer this would we know it?
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