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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: AndyRawrs]
    #14570958 - 06/06/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Societies are groups of people, yes?

So where can these ideas exist aside from in each individual person? Do they exist other than that?

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: AndyRawrs]
    #14571329 - 06/06/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not going to retort to my question?


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14571386 - 06/06/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

your joking right?

You dont have an idea, thought,maxim, belief,etc that child pornography is wrong....or the murder of babies?


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14571821 - 06/06/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is wrong?

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14574189 - 06/07/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
your joking right?

You dont have an idea, thought,maxim, belief,etc that child pornography is wrong....or the murder of babies?





I will repeat.  You can attempt to twist the argument with whatever stigma you wish to reply (you know what that means right?)  Everything is circumstantial, subjective.  Do you think an elephant gives a shit about child pornography?  Not everyone thinks like you.  Don't be so egotistical. 

Would you murder a baby to save your mother, or uphold a personal belief, etc. etc. etc.  Jesus, do you think you are right for every possible scenario? 

Don't take this so personally.  I personally think that the murder of babies is generally wrong, yes.  But I am not like you.  I don't claim to be able to know every possible scenario; I KNOW and acknowledge that my beliefs aren't those of everyone else as you seem to believe.  I will not go to war and stand behind a trivial statement without understanding the situation; the argument is that nothing is inherently "correct" because to be "correct" is subjective. 

Given the choice, would you let say Osama Bin Laden live given the choice? Trick question.  Know the consequences before you act.  If you say no before you know the situation, you might just realize too late that his life would have meant the cure for cancer etc. etc.

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: AndyRawrs]
    #14575016 - 06/07/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I not trying to twist anything(like an elephant or ESP about the end of the world),
nor be egotistical. What does riddle me is people who have the whole " nothing can be proven" mentality, over every concept or idea....

yet, those who claim this, do the very same as people who claim to be able to prove every concept or idea.

There are definitive limits to the human mind, but to say that we cannot decipher and reason
(like the killing of a child, or their exploitation) on anything, because we dont know everything, seems pretty dull.


Of course, I know that you do not defend child pornography, if you believe there has been any insinuation on my part, please know that this was not my intent.

(Osama Bin Laden should have been captured)


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14575021 - 06/07/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wrong


adjective
1.
not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed.

2.
deviating from truth or fact; erroneous: a wrong answer.

3.
not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error: You are wrong to blame him.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14575041 - 06/07/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1. Ok then, what is right?

2. What is truth?

3. How do we know when something is not correct?

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14575281 - 06/07/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Let me guess, after every answer more questions....kinda like a dicked up Socratic method....well, my only response is for you to find out what "wrong" means.....hope that helps


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14575412 - 06/07/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

STA, I see.  I think I understand, haha...yes, I mean it's not a useful way to look at life.  But...it's comforting to know that you're not wrong, even if it means you can't ever be right, ya know? 

I'm going to do a little more self-reflection before I post on here again.

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14575996 - 06/07/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"my only response is for you to find out what "wrong" means.....hope that helps"

Funny, that's my response for you. When you find out, let me know. I've been looking for about 3 years.

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14576002 - 06/07/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No


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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: LayinUp]
    #14576010 - 06/07/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No what?

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14576023 - 06/07/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I gave you a answer previously, one I believe to be accurate....

Im not the one asking for definitions, you are, Sir...if you cant get the gist from a dictionary...so be it.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (06/07/11 06:55 PM)

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14576032 - 06/07/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You answer left some stuff out. It defined wrong in terms of right, and said nothing of what right is, so that we might know what wrong is. Hence, why I asked you what right was. The definition offered nothing.

And I am not looking for definitions, sir. I'm looking for what you're taking about. I'm looking for what wrong is. Where did you find it?

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14576156 - 06/07/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I found the definition of "wrong" in a dictionary  (the link is posted above)

I have also been "wronged" (past tense)in the past (an accountant stole money from my prior company)...
the definition I found pretty much nailed it.(a court agreed) Most definitions explain things through contrasts

If you want  know what "right" is, you could reference several dictionaries or think what possibly is the opposite of "wrong"

An empirical experience would be to question several other people or sources and make a conclusion...... three years is a long time.

When you ask "What is wrong?" it sure looks like your are looking for a definition......


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14576194 - 06/07/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

"If you want  know what "right" is, you could reference several dictionaries or think what possibly is the opposite of "wrong"




If each term is defined by its opposite, how can we know what either is? If two mirrors are reflecting only each other, what can one see in between?

Quote:


"An empirical experience would be to question several other people or sources and make a conclusion...... three years is a long time."




Yeah it is a long time, and I have asked probably nearly a hundred or so people by now. So far no one knows, or at least, some people claim to know but can't tell me. I'm waiting.
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"When you ask "What is wrong?" it sure looks like your are looking for a definition"




It looks that way to you? Sorry. If I wanted a definition, I would say "What is the definition of wrong?" and not "What is wrong?" I don't care about definitions, I want what wrong REALLY is. It does exist, right?

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14576288 - 06/07/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"If each term is defined by its opposite, how can we know what either is? If two mirrors are reflecting only each other, what can one see in between?"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting response.


I would say that the physical act of sight between mirrors that you proposed above is not how one comprehends words or ideas.Kinda like.... "a priori" and "a posteriori"

We both know (or I guess that would be an assumption on your behalf) that seeing is not  believing


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #14576361 - 06/07/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"I would say that the physical act of sight between mirrors that you proposed above is not how one comprehends words or ideas.Kinda like.... "a priori" and "a posteriori"

How does one comprehend words or ideas?

"We both know (or I guess that would be an assumption on your behalf) that seeing is not  believing "

You might not want to speak for me when it comes to saying I know anything.

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Re: Is it impossible to prove or refute any idea? [Re: xFrockx]
    #14576391 - 06/07/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"How does one comprehend words or ideas"


Your doing it now!....... by asking questions to specific words I have posted here.

I did mention "assumption"....if it bothers you consider it vanquished from future posts, sorry


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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